Nautilus v Aquanaut Bubble Question

[RHIII]

Originally Posted by GB-man

I have no idea what you’re talking about as nautilus were readily available collecting dust in cases (blue 5711 aside) until around 2017 maybe.

The 5980 was the biggest shelf turd of them all right alongside the 5726 and even 5712 was in cases.

This is 100% fact.

I can remember Nautilus references and Aquanauts alike just sitting. My AD couldn’t GIVE them away. Especially the Aquanauts. Patek customers wanted complications - and straps.

I don’t think that paradigm has shifted - I think it’s just the social media frenzy (as one reason) that has over-heightened visibility into these - up until recently more ‘reachable’ Patek references. And are driving people mad.

And the 5980-1a (blue) my first and still favorite Nautilus - was another that NO-ONE initially wanted. It was like the Nautilus step-child.

People just sway with the masses. Some of the people I’ve talked to in salons or boutiques lookin for Aquas or Nautilus references couldn’t even tell me why they wanted them.

Right now - my hunch is the Nautilus premium will stay - and the Aquanaut will become more accessible. Similar to why I think with Rolex - Subs and GMTs will become more accessible and Daytonas less accessible. Premiums are here to stay for certain references. With AP - I think we’ll see more 15500s and WAY less 202s

And dare I even say — if anyone wants to pay a premium and I’ll support it - it’s for the 15202.

Just my .02


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[GreenLantern]

Originally Posted by RHIII

Some of the people I’ve talked to in salons or boutiques lookin for Aquas or Nautilus references couldn’t even tell me why they wanted them.

[GreenLantern]

Originally Posted by Simon.DGV

Maximum quantity of watches man can collect up to (to enjoy) is 12 pieces;

Pardon me, but I'm living proof that this is not factual.

I think many of us here can attest to this.

[italiafan]

Originally Posted by Simon.DGV

...
If you want lavish life with delicious grilled BBQ meat / oily foods, alcohol, cigars, hookers and gambling it will cost many multiples of what I quote, but certainly it will shorten your life. ...

Sign me up!

Ironic you throw around ridiculous numbers preaching about spartan lifestyles on a Patek chat forum. Perhaps your calculations would be better received on the Invictaforums.com, no?

[Watch Expert]

Originally Posted by RHIII

This is 100% fact.

I can remember Nautilus references and Aquanauts alike just sitting. My AD couldn’t GIVE them away. Especially the Aquanauts. Patek customers wanted complications - and straps.

I don’t think that paradigm has shifted - I think it’s just the social media frenzy (as one reason) that has over-heightened visibility into these - up until recently more ‘reachable’ Patek references. And are driving people mad.

And the 5980-1a (blue) my first and still favorite Nautilus - was another that NO-ONE initially wanted. It was like the Nautilus step-child.

People just sway with the masses. Some of the people I’ve talked to in salons or boutiques lookin for Aquas or Nautilus references couldn’t even tell me why they wanted them.

Right now - my hunch is the Nautilus premium will stay - and the Aquanaut will become more accessible. Similar to why I think with Rolex - Subs and GMTs will become more accessible and Daytonas less accessible. Premiums are here to stay for certain references. With AP - I think we’ll see more 15500s and WAY less 202s

And dare I even say — if anyone wants to pay a premium and I’ll support it - it’s for the 15202.

Just my .02


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The watch trend

Pocket watch

Pocket watch to mechanical dress wrist watch

Mechanical dress watch trend shifts to thin quartz movement

Luxury Quartz movement again changed to luxury steel sport mechanical watch

The Nautilus and AP Royal Oak very successful in luxury steel mechanical wrist watch. Several other brands followed but they come and goes quickly; the Piaget, Vacheron Overseas. Now Lange Odysseus and I expect more traditional dress wrist watch brand think the same.

If Patek so successful in Nautilus and Aquanaut, and AP so successful in Royal Oak, why not they follow the waves; walk on the same path to get some slice of the cakes rather than waiting for trend to change?

I can say the size of diameter and thickness of the wrist watch determines whether steel sport wrists watch successful or fail.
Panerai Hublot Blancpain Omega steel complicated sport watches failed , why? One reason is the diameter over 42mm looks ugly on most wrist.

Patek and AP most successful steel sport watches mostly size around 38-40 mm.
AP Royal Oak offshore size above 42mm also did not go as well as simple non complication Royal Oak.

Other than the diameter will be design of bracelets; bracelet has to have shape, preferably shape of a snake. The bracelet width towards the lug say 35mm and towards the bracelet it curves down to say 12mm; Not just straight simple shape bracelet like Omega Man on the moon or most Japanese Seiko bracelet.

Look at the shape and curves of Rolex oyster shape; Royal Oak bracelet and Nautilus steel bracelet curves and looks beautiful.
Look at Aquanaut steel bracelet or Piaget or Omega steel bracelet it looks ugly because it is straight not curves .

Secondly the bracelet need design or pattern that shines and produce glitter ray of light; I think Rolex President bracelet is the best example for this. The next one that is very eye catching is Royal Oak bracelet. When you wear the watch under the sun, every body within 5 meters know you are wearing luxury time pieces.

One can argue Richard Mille produce 50mm wrist watch and seems successful; yes it does; however Richard Mille design is very different from other watches. Look at the case is so thick that allow movement fit into curves round case and the case fit in normal wrist well despite 50mm in size and the dial is transparent which make the watch looks elegant not covering your wrist, the transparent dial and curved “ bent” watch case; makes Richard Mille even though size 50 mm do not looks ugly as the other huge looking time pieces like Hublot or Panerai.

But still I believe brand like IWC or Omega will soon make something to challenge this successful brand.

[RHIII]

Originally Posted by Watch Expert

The watch trend

Pocket watch

Pocket watch to mechanical dress wrist watch

Mechanical dress watch trend shifts to thin quartz movement

Luxury Quartz movement again changed to luxury steel sport mechanical watch

The Nautilus and AP Royal Oak very successful in luxury steel mechanical wrist watch. Several other brands followed but they come and goes quickly; the Piaget, Vacheron Overseas. Now Lange Odysseus and I expect more traditional dress wrist watch brand think the same.

If Patek so successful in Nautilus and Aquanaut, and AP so successful in Royal Oak, why not they follow the waves; walk on the same path to get some slice of the cakes rather than waiting for trend to change?

I can say the size of diameter and thickness of the wrist watch determines whether steel sport wrists watch successful or fail.
Panerai Hublot Blancpain Omega steel complicated sport watches failed , why? One reason is the diameter over 42mm looks ugly on most wrist.

Patek and AP most successful steel sport watches mostly size around 38-40 mm.
AP Royal Oak offshore size above 42mm also did not go as well as simple non complication Royal Oak.

Other than the diameter will be design of bracelets; bracelet has to have shape, preferably shape of a snake. The bracelet width towards the lug say 35mm and towards the bracelet it curves down to say 12mm; Not just straight simple shape bracelet like Omega Man on the moon or most Japanese Seiko bracelet.

Look at the shape and curves of Rolex oyster shape; Royal Oak bracelet and Nautilus steel bracelet curves and looks beautiful.
Look at Aquanaut steel bracelet or Piaget or Omega steel bracelet it looks ugly because it is straight not curves .

Secondly the bracelet need design or pattern that shines and produce glitter ray of light; I think Rolex President bracelet is the best example for this. The next one that is very eye catching is Royal Oak bracelet. When you wear the watch under the sun, every body within 5 meters know you are wearing luxury time pieces.

One can argue Richard Mille produce 50mm wrist watch and seems successful; yes it does; however Richard Mille design is very different from other watches. Look at the case is so thick that allow movement fit into curves round case and the case fit in normal wrist well despite 50mm in size and the dial is transparent which make the watch looks elegant not covering your wrist, the transparent dial and curved “ bent” watch case; makes Richard Mille even though size 50 mm do not looks ugly as the other huge looking time pieces like Hublot or Panerai.

But still I believe brand like IWC or Omega will soon make something to challenge this successful brand.

Honestly - can’t say that I disagree.

I think you are 100% right regarding the size piece. While (some) people keep asking for larger pieces they are completely missing the paradigm (going back to the 37mm-40mm range)

AP releasing the 38mm ROC was genius in my mind. If SIHH wasn’t so close - and I wasn’t hoping for a completely integrated, fly back Chrono - I’d have one already!!!!




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[The Argonaut]

Originally Posted by RHIII

Some of the people I’ve talked to in salons or boutiques lookin for Aquas or Nautilus references couldn’t even tell me why they wanted them.

Says it all really.

Originally Posted by RHIII

Right now - my hunch is the Nautilus premium will stay - and the Aquanaut will become more accessible. Similar to why I think with Rolex - Subs and GMTs will become more accessible and Daytonas less accessible. Premiums are here to stay for certain references.

Totally agree. I genuinely think the Naut has achieved a social pedigree for many, perhaps akin to a Birkin handbag (which I wouldn't recognize if you hit me with one.). Nautilus watches look like nothing else, and because they can be readily identified, they immediately confer status. This is why I think the Nautilus bubble is qualitatively different. This could also be said of any RO, or Rolex because of the Cyclops (or Panda Daytona only). The Aquanaut is not distinctive, and could be taken for many other watches. If you are looking to show status, I don't think an Aquanaut does it. Status is not something you explain; it just is.

[RHIII]

Originally Posted by The Argonaut

Says it all really.







Totally agree. I genuinely think the Naut has achieved a social pedigree for many, perhaps akin to a Birkin handbag (which I wouldn't recognize if you hit me with one.). Nautilus watches look like nothing else, and because they can be readily identified, they immediately confer status. This is why I think the Nautilus bubble is qualitatively different. This could also be said of any RO, or Rolex because of the Cyclops (or Panda Daytona only). The Aquanaut is not distinctive, and could be taken for many other watches. If you are looking to show status, I don't think an Aquanaut does it. Status is not something you explain; it just is.

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[Codik]

Anecdotally, I bought my 5164 to help me wait through the 3 years I was told it would get to obtain a 5711. No regrets, it’s an awesome watch and it’s so practical that I might prefer it eventually to the 5711.

[SL BRABUS]

As long as Patek Philippe keep the supply and production number tight, the Nautilus & Aquanaut pricing on the secondary market remain strong.....