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B. Doggy · 9 April 2009, 06:26 AM

Would you send in your PAM to be serviced if it were still under warranty and running ~5 seconds slow each day?

argee1977 · 9 April 2009, 06:29 AM

No, it's within COSC and sending it off may result in it being returned as is, they will test it before stripping it down so you could end up losing the watch for a couple of months with no work done on it!

I take it you're worried about something here, what watch is it and what's the problem you're worried about?

mfer · 9 April 2009, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by B. Doggy

Would you send in your PAM to be serviced if it were still under warranty and running ~5 seconds slow each day?

Is it near the end of your warranty period? If so, I'd say YES. You'll get a free service basically! If you still have time on it, I'd wait until you are closer to your ending of warranty.

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Originally Posted by argee1977

No, it's within COSC and sending it off may result in it being returned as is, they will test it before stripping it down so you could end up losing the watch for a couple of months with no work done on it!

I take it you're worried about something here, what watch is it and what's the problem you're worried about?

It is technically out of COSC specs. -4 +6. He is at -5

TswaneNguni · 9 April 2009, 06:41 AM

Yes.My 104 was -40s/day when I got it

Vendome regulated and now its "scary" accurate !!

What you can do is to leave it face down overnight.That usually is the position that gains the most time .Who knows,maybe it's then 100%.Worth a try !!

argee1977 · 9 April 2009, 06:41 AM

Ah, for some reason i thought that said +5, i guess it's a gamble to take if you want too, but it will be up to Panerai whether they do anything, although it's outwith COSC, the actual COSC certificate and testing is only to validate the watch at that moment in time, it isn't a guarantee to state it will stay within COSC for 2 years.

c2tcardin · 9 April 2009, 06:41 AM

Either have the AD attempt to regulate it or send it in but I wouldn't leave it loosing 5 seconds a day is pretty bad.

B. Doggy · 9 April 2009, 09:26 AM

It's a 190 and I have about 6-months left on the warranty. I wound it to the full 8-days and just checked it against an atomic clock after 4 days. The total it was off was 20-seconds during that 4-day period.

Sounds like it's basically up to me with the responses I'm getting. Hard to part with this baby though....even for a few months.

hflee55 · 9 April 2009, 10:23 AM

+5 is within the tolerance. you can send it to your local AD for a quick regulating.

B. Doggy · 9 April 2009, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by hflee55

+5 is within the tolerance. you can send it to your local AD for a quick regulating.

It's -5 though.

Trurolexer · 9 April 2009, 12:10 PM

No. I don't really care about that. I think -3 is within the tolerance too.

mfer · 9 April 2009, 12:36 PM

I would do the following...

Leave it in various positions over night and check it.
one night face down, one night up
one night crown up, one night down.
See the time

If it is off, send it in and wear the Rolex for a couple months.

This is a $10K watch and it should act like it.

TswaneNguni · 9 April 2009, 03:28 PM

Fully wind every day,for a week and check the timing.Perhaps its closer to zero then.

Lol-x · 9 April 2009, 05:00 PM

Does the 190 having a hacking movement (just curious).

I have a 177 which is COSC but without a hacking movement. Accordingly, it is virtually impossible to determine how many seconds per day it is gaining or loosing

argee1977 · 9 April 2009, 05:12 PM

I'm pretty sure the 190 has the hacking feature, as stated above it's worth putting in other positions to try and bring it back towards zero.

If you do have other watches that you can wear then i guess there's nothing to lose by sending it off, at worst it comes back as is, at best it gets a full service and valet for free

I just get a bit worried about sending things off that are borderline, because a mate had his sent back untouched as it was still within their tolerances, which was a bit of a joke, 3 months it was gone for and it came back in exactly the same packaging and looked like they'd not even touched it

B. Doggy · 10 April 2009, 01:03 AM

Thanks everyone! I am going to try putting it in different positions and see what happens. Also, I think it's a good idea to fully wind it and see if that affects things at all.

BTW- Yes, the 190 has the hacking feature.

VazLube · 10 April 2009, 01:15 AM

Have a look in supplied COSC certificate and you'll learn something new, as how fast/slow it runs in different positions.

boa2 · 10 April 2009, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by B. Doggy

Thanks everyone! I am going to try putting it in different positions and see what happens. Also, I think it's a good idea to fully wind it and see if that affects things at all.

BTW- Yes, the 190 has the hacking feature.

IF you want to address this issue...I would suggest a weekend in Carmel. While you're there, have Hugues at www.chatelco.com regulate it. His service is superb.

B. Doggy · 10 April 2009, 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by boa2

IF you want to address this issue...I would suggest a weekend in Carmel. While you're there, have Hugues at www.chatelco.com regulate it. His service is superb.

This is great to know. Thanks!

boa2 · 10 April 2009, 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by B. Doggy

This is great to know. Thanks!

Sure thing, Bryan. Hugues was a watchmaker for years before opening his store.

Plus, you get a wonderful weekend trip at the same time.

9 April 2009, 06:26 AM	#1
B. Doggy "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Real Name: Bryan Location: Oregon Posts: 7,399	Would You? Would you send in your PAM to be serviced if it were still under warranty and running ~5 seconds slow each day? __________________ Rolex / Panerai / Omega

9 April 2009, 06:29 AM	#2
argee1977 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Real Name: Ryan Location: England Watch: AP ROC Posts: 1,462	No, it's within COSC and sending it off may result in it being returned as is, they will test it before stripping it down so you could end up losing the watch for a couple of months with no work done on it! I take it you're worried about something here, what watch is it and what's the problem you're worried about? __________________ PANERAI, MORE THAN A WATCH, LESS THAN A KITKAT

9 April 2009, 06:41 AM	#5
argee1977 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Real Name: Ryan Location: England Watch: AP ROC Posts: 1,462	Ah, for some reason i thought that said +5, i guess it's a gamble to take if you want too, but it will be up to Panerai whether they do anything, although it's outwith COSC, the actual COSC certificate and testing is only to validate the watch at that moment in time, it isn't a guarantee to state it will stay within COSC for 2 years. __________________ PANERAI, MORE THAN A WATCH, LESS THAN A KITKAT

9 April 2009, 06:41 AM	#6
c2tcardin "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Jeff Location: NH Watch: Pam 312 & DJ II Posts: 312	Either have the AD attempt to regulate it or send it in but I wouldn't leave it loosing 5 seconds a day is pretty bad. __________________ Cheers, Jeff ------------------------------------------------------ PAM 312, DJ II

9 April 2009, 09:26 AM	#7
B. Doggy "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Real Name: Bryan Location: Oregon Posts: 7,399	It's a 190 and I have about 6-months left on the warranty. I wound it to the full 8-days and just checked it against an atomic clock after 4 days. The total it was off was 20-seconds during that 4-day period. Sounds like it's basically up to me with the responses I'm getting. Hard to part with this baby though....even for a few months. __________________ Rolex / Panerai / Omega

9 April 2009, 06:41 AM	#4
TswaneNguni "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Real Name: Chris Location: . Watch: Daytonas/Subs/GMTs Posts: 12,609	Yes.My 104 was -40s/day when I got it Vendome regulated and now its "scary" accurate !! What you can do is to leave it face down overnight.That usually is the position that gains the most time .Who knows,maybe it's then 100%.Worth a try !!

9 April 2009, 10:23 AM	#8
hflee55 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Real Name: Andy Location: Kuala Lumpur, MY Watch: Me Watching You!! Posts: 3,260	+5 is within the tolerance. you can send it to your local AD for a quick regulating.

9 April 2009, 12:10 PM	#10
Trurolexer Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: USA Watch: 5513MaxiI+PreComex Posts: 18,421	No. I don't really care about that. I think -3 is within the tolerance too.

9 April 2009, 12:36 PM	#11
mfer "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Real Name: Mik Location: USA Posts: 13,724	I would do the following... Leave it in various positions over night and check it. one night face down, one night up one night crown up, one night down. See the time If it is off, send it in and wear the Rolex for a couple months. This is a $10K watch and it should act like it. __________________ member#3242

9 April 2009, 03:28 PM	#12
TswaneNguni "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Real Name: Chris Location: . Watch: Daytonas/Subs/GMTs Posts: 12,609	Fully wind every day,for a week and check the timing.Perhaps its closer to zero then.

9 April 2009, 05:00 PM	#13
Lol-x Facilitator Join Date: Nov 2005 Real Name: Steve Location: Omnipresent Posts: 33,667	Does the 190 having a hacking movement (just curious). I have a 177 which is COSC but without a hacking movement. Accordingly, it is virtually impossible to determine how many seconds per day it is gaining or loosing __________________ *Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be.* ~Abraham Lincoln Nothing compares to the simple pleasure of a bike ride. ~John F. Kennedy ROLEXploitation - yeah I'm a victim

9 April 2009, 05:12 PM	#14
argee1977 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Real Name: Ryan Location: England Watch: AP ROC Posts: 1,462	I'm pretty sure the 190 has the hacking feature, as stated above it's worth putting in other positions to try and bring it back towards zero. If you do have other watches that you can wear then i guess there's nothing to lose by sending it off, at worst it comes back as is, at best it gets a full service and valet for free I just get a bit worried about sending things off that are borderline, because a mate had his sent back untouched as it was still within their tolerances, which was a bit of a joke, 3 months it was gone for and it came back in exactly the same packaging and looked like they'd not even touched it __________________ PANERAI, MORE THAN A WATCH, LESS THAN A KITKAT

10 April 2009, 01:03 AM	#15
B. Doggy "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Real Name: Bryan Location: Oregon Posts: 7,399	Thanks everyone! I am going to try putting it in different positions and see what happens. Also, I think it's a good idea to fully wind it and see if that affects things at all. BTW- Yes, the 190 has the hacking feature. __________________ Rolex / Panerai / Omega

10 April 2009, 01:15 AM	#16
VazLube Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: South of Equator Posts: 278	Have a look in supplied COSC certificate and you'll learn something new, as how fast/slow it runs in different positions.

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