High Complications AP Watches

[WatchLover1234]

Hi all, may I know what are some examples of high complications in AP watches to be considered for Royal Oak openworked 41mm in steel?

[AshAP]

Perpetual calendar. Tourbillon.


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[WatchLover1234]

Originally Posted by AshAP

Perpetual calendar. Tourbillon.


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Is perpetual calendar considered high complication in AP? I know tourbillon, openworked tourbillon with chronograph, minute repeaters are considered. Some say PC is, some say PC is not. So I'm abit confused.

[maciej]

Originally Posted by WatchLover1234

Hi all, may I know what are some examples of high complications in AP watches to be considered for Royal Oak openworked 41mm in steel?

Have you look at the AP site?

[WatchLover1234]

Originally Posted by maciej

Have you look at the AP site?

Yes I did. There are several complications available but they did not specify which one is high complications..

[sokoloka]

Originally Posted by WatchLover1234

Yes I did. There are several complications available but they did not specify which one is high complications..

Well, what is your definition of high complications?

[WatchLover1234]

Originally Posted by sokoloka

Well, what is your definition of high complications?

I had intended to purchase 15407 but I was told that a high complication piece is required. As I am not told specifically what is a high complication piece by my SA, I would like to ask for your advice on which one are considered high complication.

[GS93108]

Any tourbillon will suffice, or any other $150k plus item that you'll immediately lose money on.

[WatchLover1234]

Originally Posted by GS93108

Any tourbillon will suffice, or any other $150k plus item that you'll immediately lose money on.

OK thanks for the advice. So if that's the case, perpetual calendar will be out of this range?

[AshAP]

I’d start by thinking which APs do you really love and want to buy.

For the specific purpose that you’ve outlined I would consider a perpetual calendar to be a perfect ‘entry’ watch but only buy it if you love it but don’t stop at that and demand a 15407 because you’ll be left disappointed.

You then need to buy another AP that you love, maybe an Offshore this time and then go back to your SA (who by now should be well aware of your name) and start talking about a 15407 and whether a 3-4 year wait time might be realistic and probably aim at this point to buy a 15500 or ask to buy a watch for your wife/partner. But at all times only buy if you love what you’re buying because this isn’t a box ticking exercise, AP aren’t struggling to sell watches so if they don’t feel your passion for the brand then a 15407 won’t ever be forthcoming.

Not doing any of the above is a bit like turning up at a Ferrari main dealer for the 1st time in a Ford truck wearing a Porsche baseball cap and demanding to buy a Monza on the spot.


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[WatchLover1234]

Originally Posted by AshAP

I’d start by thinking which APs do you really love and want to buy.

For the specific purpose that you’ve outlined I would consider a perpetual calendar to be a perfect ‘entry’ watch but only buy it if you love it but don’t stop at that and demand a 15407 because you’ll be left disappointed.

You then need to buy another AP that you love, maybe an Offshore this time and then go back to your SA (who by now should be well aware of your name) and start talking about a 15407 and whether a 3-4 year wait time might be realistic and probably aim at this point to buy a 15500 or ask to buy a watch for your wife/partner. But at all times only buy if you love what you’re buying because this isn’t a box ticking exercise, AP aren’t struggling to sell watches so if they don’t feel your passion for the brand then a 15407 won’t ever be forthcoming.

Not doing any of the above is a bit like turning up at a Ferrari main dealer for the 1st time in a Ford truck wearing a Porsche baseball cap and demanding to buy a Monza on the spot.


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Thanks for the advice. Which perpetual calendar can I start buying actually for an entry perpetual calendar timepiece when all perpetual calendar is hard to get?

[AshAP]

Dude this is starting to feel like a wind up. If you’re smart enough to have earned enough disposable income to buy a 6 figure watch then I doubt that you need to be told which model to actually go ahead and buy by a random guy on the other side of the world.


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[WatchLover1234]

Originally Posted by AshAP

I’d start by thinking which APs do you really love and want to buy.

For the specific purpose that you’ve outlined I would consider a perpetual calendar to be a perfect ‘entry’ watch but only buy it if you love it but don’t stop at that and demand a 15407 because you’ll be left disappointed.

You then need to buy another AP that you love, maybe an Offshore this time and then go back to your SA (who by now should be well aware of your name) and start talking about a 15407 and whether a 3-4 year wait time might be realistic and probably aim at this point to buy a 15500 or ask to buy a watch for your wife/partner. But at all times only buy if you love what you’re buying because this isn’t a box ticking exercise, AP aren’t struggling to sell watches so if they don’t feel your passion for the brand then a 15407 won’t ever be forthcoming.

Not doing any of the above is a bit like turning up at a Ferrari main dealer for the 1st time in a Ford truck wearing a Porsche baseball cap and demanding to buy a Monza on the spot.


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Originally Posted by AshAP

Dude this is starting to feel like a wind up. If you’re smart enough to have earned enough disposable income to buy a 6 figure watch then I doubt that you need to be told which model to actually go ahead and buy by a random guy on the other side of the world.


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I hope you are not mistaken because it seems that all the PCs are hot in demand.. Of course I do love the PC that AP manufacture but at this current trend, which PC is quite easily obtainable for first timer?

[AshAP]

Each region is different so your best move is to visit your nearest boutique and let them know that you’re serious and see what they can offer you. There may be only one perpetual calendar option or there may be more. If you’re are in a position where you also love one of the tourbillons and could take one if offered then let them know that too. This is all about relationships.


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[dauster]

Originally Posted by AshAP

Dude this is starting to feel like a wind up. If you’re smart enough to have earned enough disposable income to buy a 6 figure watch then I doubt that you need to be told which model to actually go ahead and buy by a random guy on the other side of the world.


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There are a lot of relatively new posters here that inquire about 100-200k watches but ask questions that make me seriously doubt the human race... I don’t get it.

[m3jasper]

Originally Posted by WatchLover1234

OK thanks for the advice. So if that's the case, perpetual calendar will be out of this range?

Originally Posted by WatchLover1234

Hi all, may I know what are some examples of high complications in AP watches to be considered for Royal Oak openworked 41mm in steel?

Originally Posted by WatchLover1234

Is perpetual calendar considered high complication in AP? I know tourbillon, openworked tourbillon with chronograph, minute repeaters are considered. Some say PC is, some say PC is not. So I'm abit confused.

Originally Posted by WatchLover1234

Yes I did. There are several complications available but they did not specify which one is high complications..

Originally Posted by WatchLover1234

I had intended to purchase 15407 but I was told that a high complication piece is required. As I am not told specifically what is a high complication piece by my SA, I would like to ask for your advice on which one are considered high complication.

Originally Posted by WatchLover1234

Thanks for the advice. Which perpetual calendar can I start buying actually for an entry perpetual calendar timepiece when all perpetual calendar is hard to get?

Originally Posted by WatchLover1234

I hope you are not mistaken because it seems that all the PCs are hot in demand.. Of course I do love the PC that AP manufacture but at this current trend, which PC is quite easily obtainable for first timer?

With all due respect, you seem a bit dense.

Why not sit down with your sales associate and directly articulate your intentions? As you don't seem interested in pursuing a long term relationship with your local boutique, it's probably best to just get straight to the point and ask them to put together a bundle for you.

I was told by a collector in your region that in order to purchase a 26585CE he needed to buy a Code Tourbillon first. Perhaps that helps gauge your definition of "high complication"?

[GS93108]

Originally Posted by dauster

There are a lot of relatively new posters here that inquire about 100-200k watches but ask questions that make me seriously doubt the human race... I don’t get it.

Indeed.

It's not that difficult of a problem to solve...just talk to the AD.

p.s.

To anyone else reading this thread, if you want to bypass the waiting lists, get yourself a lovely hard to get piece that we here are all lusting after, then go to ANY AD ANYWHERE in the world, drop a few hundred 000's on a tourbillon and then, just maybe, if you are lucky, then you might get a call about something that you can flip!

[WatchLover1234]

Originally Posted by GS93108

Indeed.

It's not that difficult of a problem to solve...just talk to the AD.

p.s.

To anyone else reading this thread, if you want to bypass the waiting lists, get yourself a lovely hard to get piece that we here are all lusting after, then go to ANY AD ANYWHERE in the world, drop a few hundred 000's on a tourbillon and then, just maybe, if you are lucky, then you might get a call about something that you can flip!

Apologies but I am definitely not one flipper. I am too, like you all looking to build relationship.. Maybe the question which I had phrased may make everyone feel that I am a flipper which I would like to take this opportunity to clarify that this was not my intention. I am very new to AP and had not started my collection with them but it is just that there are conversations on bundling and how to get the hot piece. Coincidentally, I am looking to get 15407 which is a hot piece in the market. Paying grey is never my option and I will never go down that route. I'm also sorry that you guys find me a bit dense because I do not know how this game is played right from the beginning. I have been studying the history of AP to get myself acquainted with the brand and hope that my queries can be answered by some of the experts here. Till now, as I have not purchased any timepieces yet, I do not have a SA so this forum is my only way I can get the advice from. Once again, I do apologise if my questions and short reply makes anyone think that I am a flipper and I genuinely would like every watch to stay for long.

[WatchLover1234]

Originally Posted by m3jasper

With all due respect, you seem a bit dense.

Why not sit down with your sales associate and directly articulate your intentions? As you don't seem interested in pursuing a long term relationship with your local boutique, it's probably best to just get straight to the point and ask them to put together a bundle for you.

I was told by a collector in your region that in order to purchase a 26585CE he needed to buy a Code Tourbillon first. Perhaps that helps gauge your definition of "high complication"?

Yes, maybe to you I may seem a bit dense which I am not offended. I am new to AP and there has been many conversation in this forum, each saying their own piece without any verification.. I am just a person looking for answer to my question and hope that it does not cause any misunderstanding that I am not interested in pursuing a long term relationship. I am still learning in this journey and hoping to equip myself with more knowledge from day to day.

[GS93108]

There are NO short cuts.

Go and visit your local AP Boutique or AD, there are two in Singapore, you can find those on the AP website.

Speak to a sales person. If you are sincere and genuine and explain what you are looking for then the sales person will give you all the information you need.

[WatchLover1234]

Originally Posted by GS93108

There are NO short cuts.

Go and visit your local AP Boutique or AD, there are two in Singapore, you can find those on the AP website.

Speak to a sales person. If you are sincere and genuine and explain what you are looking for then the sales person will give you all the information you need.

Thanks for the advice.

[VogelPhoenix]

Originally Posted by WatchLover1234

Thanks for the advice. Which perpetual calendar can I start buying actually for an entry perpetual calendar timepiece when all perpetual calendar is hard to get?

Is the Jules Audemars PC still available? Otherwise next best chance is the Code PC, which is actually very nice, but likely to involve a wait. They are not asking you to buy a ceramic RO PC....

[m3jasper]

Originally Posted by GS93108

There are NO short cuts.

Go and visit your local AP Boutique or AD, there are two in Singapore, you can find those on the AP website.

Speak to a sales person. If you are sincere and genuine and explain what you are looking for then the sales person will give you all the information you need.

Couldn’t have said it better myself.

Best of luck!

[macrowatch]

Originally Posted by m3jasper

With all due respect, you seem a bit dense.

Why not sit down with your sales associate and directly articulate your intentions? As you don't seem interested in pursuing a long term relationship with your local boutique, it's probably best to just get straight to the point and ask them to put together a bundle for you.

I was told by a collector in your region that in order to purchase a 26585CE he needed to buy a Code Tourbillon first. Perhaps that helps gauge your definition of "high complication"?

Second this as I have heard the same, especially both the model referenced and the price range.