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CharlesN · 12 April 2021, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by thorm

OP36mm 126000

I Think its a 3230 movement.

GREAT accuracy These 32xx movements really do seem to be good and a lot better than their predecessors ay time keeping.

thorm · 12 April 2021, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by CharlesN

I Think its a 3230 movement.

GREAT accuracy These 32xx movements really do seem to be good and a lot better than their predecessors ay time keeping.

Yes 3230.
It does keep better timekeeping than my 3130, which was around +1.5 to +2 seconds per day

francis · 12 April 2021, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by CharlesN

I Think its a 3230 movement.

GREAT accuracy These 32xx movements really do seem to be good and a lot better than their predecessors ay time keeping.

My new datejust was losing 30 seconds a day. Absolutely none of my older rolex watches are + or - even 2 seconds. I have a bunch as well with an array of movements. 32xx is crap from my perspective.

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CharlesN · 13 April 2021, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by francis

My new datejust was losing 30 seconds a day. Absolutely none of my older rolex watches are + or - even 2 seconds. I have a bunch as well with an array of movements. 32xx is crap from my perspective.

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I noticed you said WAS losing 30 seconds a day.
from New ?
I am sure the RSC managed to correct the error quite painlessly.
Can you give us more detail.

francis · 13 April 2021, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by CharlesN

I noticed you said WAS losing 30 seconds a day.
from New ?
I am sure the RSC managed to correct the error quite painlessly.
Can you give us more detail.

Yes it was 30 seconds a day. The story has been well documented here. Waiting for it to start losing again as has happened to some here who have had it “painlessly” corrected.

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CharlesN · 13 April 2021, 12:34 AM

Have faith.

It is probably fine now.

thorm · 13 April 2021, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by francis

Yes it was 30 seconds a day. The story has been well documented here. Waiting for it to start losing again as has happened to some here who have had it “painlessly” corrected.

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That's sick. When did you buy it?

francis · 13 April 2021, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by CharlesN

Have faith.

It is probably fine now.

Probably. But with rolex I didn’t expect a probably. I would expect that out of a Vostok

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thorm · 13 April 2021, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by francis

Probably. But with rolex I didn’t expect a probably. I would expect that out of a Vostok

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I would bet that there are less watches sent in with issues with rolex than with other brands, in percentage.

francis · 13 April 2021, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by thorm

I would bet that there are less watches sent in with issues with rolex than with other brands, in percentage.

Nah. Not with these 32xx series movement. AD says they are taking them back pretty regularly

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thorm · 13 April 2021, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by francis

Nah. Not with these 32xx series movement. AD says they are taking them back pretty regularly

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My AD says they take in omegas and JLCs pretty regularly. In fact they probably take in everything quite regularly.

francis · 13 April 2021, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by thorm

My AD says they take in omegas and JLCs pretty regularly. In fact they probably take in everything quite regularly.

Over a particular movement series that ONLY loses time? Weird. Then they have an issue as well. Good you called them to get the facts though

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francis · 13 April 2021, 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by thorm

My AD says they take in omegas and JLCs pretty regularly. In fact they probably take in everything quite regularly.

If you read through this topic you will see that a rolex service tech has talked about this issue

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thorm · 13 April 2021, 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by francis

If you read through this topic you will see that a rolex service tech has talked about this issue

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Oh I'm not denying that 32xx has an issue that may or may not have been silently fixed already, or will be eventually. But other movements have issues too. Co-axial, as an example have had several, and still has some. Even 31xx still has problems after all these years. GS movements have a lot of issues. You get my point.

francis · 13 April 2021, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by thorm

Oh I'm not denying that 32xx has an issue that may or may not have been silently fixed already, or will be eventually. But other movements have issues too. Co-axial, as an example have had several, and still has some. Even 31xx still has problems after all these years. GS movements have a lot of issues. You get my point.

Absolutely agree

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Slimpee · 13 April 2021, 07:07 AM

My DJ 41, purchased around 12/2018, has been running slow. I got it on a timegrapher today:

Depending on the position of the watch, the timekeeping was around -19, -20 seconds/day. Amplitude around 155-160. Lift angle of 52 deg.

A trip to the AD is in my near future.

CharlesN · 13 April 2021, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Slimpee

My DJ 41, purchased around 12/2018, has been running slow. I got it on a timegrapher today:

Depending on the position of the watch, the timekeeping was around -19, -20 seconds/day. Amplitude around 155-160. Lift angle of 52 deg.

A trip to the AD is in my near future.

If it has a 32xx movement then you will
Probably need to remeasure at 53 degrees. The results can be quite different I found

Michael N Q8 · 13 April 2021, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by saxo3

Thanks Michael for coming back.
I assume you are running now a PR test with fixed DU position.
Your data table surprises me. For all my measured calibers (15xx, 31xx, 32xx) I have never seen that amplitudes in vertical position(s) are higher than in horizontal. Your amplitude values (316, 323, 335) are outside Rokex specs (310 max).
Apps are tricky to use since they are very sensitive to external noise and position of the microphone; a professional timegrapher is much more reliable, I'm sure you know.

I am sure the app is not giving accurate results, specifically with the amplitudes. However, I have noticed that the readings seem to be reasonable for my other 31XX and other brands. Maybe the 32XX has peculiarities that cause this. Anyway, the watch is still gaining a bit within the specs...

Michael N Q8 · 13 April 2021, 05:53 PM

Herewith, the readings from last night.

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Michael N Q8 · 13 April 2021, 05:54 PM

And a graph with trends

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saxo3 · 13 April 2021, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by CharlesN

If it has a 32xx movement then you will
Probably need to remeasure at 53 degrees. The results can be quite different I found

The DJ 41 (Ref. 126333) has a 3235 caliber. The amplitude difference between 52 and 53 lift angle is about + 6 degrees, which is negligible for Slimpee's watch (-19 s/d, 160 degrees).

saxo3 · 13 April 2021, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael N Q8

Herewith, the readings from last night.

Last night (8:33 PM) you did another full winding as indicated in the table?

For the rates, I would neglect the 12U data and calculate the 5 position averages to X = 1,6 and X = 0,5 s/d.

Michael N Q8 · 13 April 2021, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by saxo3

Last night (8:33 PM) you did another full winding as indicated in the table?

No, I should have updated that, I'm leaving it to run down to see how it changes.

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Originally Posted by saxo3

For the rates, I would neglect the 12U data and calculate the 5 position averages to X = 1,6 and X = 0,5 s/d.

Ok, I will follow the rate advice. thanks.

saxo3 · 13 April 2021, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael N Q8

Ok, I will follow the rate advice. thanks.

The investment for a (standard) timegrapher compared to the cost of 1 watch is negligible ;-)

CharlesN · 13 April 2021, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by saxo3

The investment for a (standard) timegrapher compared to the cost of 1 watch is negligible ;-)

I recently bought mine from Amazon. (Timegrapher model 1900)

the cost: (All are approximate exchange rates)
UK £120
USD 165
CHF 152
EU 138
KWD 47

They are worth every penny/cent.

The fun alone makes it a worthwhile addition.
The knowledge you can gain about your watch is immense.

In other words ......... What are you waiting for ?

Incidentally, The more of us who have these and take part in comparing readings any faults etc soon start to come to light.

Liga · 14 April 2021, 01:18 AM

Just be careful with your findings.
Even a proper Witschi in the hands of a semi trained watchmaker can give confusing results.
Any true watchmaker has had to learn what the Witschi is reading, and what it is actually telling him about the movement he is testing.
A watchmaker can use it to diagnose any issues regarding timing. And how to go about fixing what he is seeing.
These issues may be present in your Timegrapher readings, but because you are unfamiliar with what you are seeing and what it is telling you, you may come to the incorrect conclusion.
It may take any watchmaking student years to be able to understand what is happening in a Witschi reading.

CharlesN · 14 April 2021, 01:53 AM

Yes, the results are NO excuse at all for you to open the back of a watch and fiddle about.

They are also no reason to start running off to the RSC thinking you have discovered something amazing or dreadful.

The findings are just for a group of like minded interested people to compare notes and results and see if there are any odd patterns.

But, Dont forget .... There is a fun element also. Thats what hobbies are suppost to provide.

Slimpee · 14 April 2021, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by saxo3

The DJ 41 (Ref. 126333) has a 3235 caliber. The amplitude difference between 52 and 53 lift angle is about + 6 degrees, which is negligible for Slimpee's watch (-19 s/d, 160 degrees).

Thank you for clarification. I do not know much about these measurements but I may get a timegrapher and learn.

That said, I set the watch according to www.time.gov and can see that it's substantially slow so the measurements tend to validate what i'm seeing.

I'm taking it to the AD tomorrow and will update when I hear something.

francis · 14 April 2021, 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by CharlesN

Yes, the results are NO excuse at all for you to open the back of a watch and fiddle about.

They are also no reason to start running off to the RSC thinking you have discovered something amazing or dreadful.

The findings are just for a group of like minded interested people to compare notes and results and see if there are any odd patterns.

But, Dont forget .... There is a fun element also. Thats what hobbies are suppost to provide.

This

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Michael N Q8 · 14 April 2021, 06:19 PM

Some more readings from last night...this reflects operation for 47 hours without winding.

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View Poll Results: Does your 32xx movement seem to be 100% ok?
Yes, no issues	1,105	69.11%
No, amplitude is low (below 200) but timekeeping is still fine	63	3.94%
No, amplitude is low (below 200) and timekeeping is off (>5 s/d)	431	26.95%
Voters: 1599. You may not vote on this poll

13 April 2021, 12:34 AM	#906
CharlesN "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The UK Watch: I love them all. Posts: 1,973	Have faith. It is probably fine now. __________________ Regards, CharlesN Member of the IWJG.

13 April 2021, 05:53 PM	#919
Michael N Q8 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Real Name: Michael Location: Kuwait Watch: Daytona SS White Posts: 499	Herewith, the readings from last night. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ 116520 Daytona white, 116500 Daytona black, 126600 SD, Speedmaster Pro, 116710BLNR GMT II, Speedmaster trilogy 57, Breitling Navitimer A23322, Seiko SKX007J, Seiko Mini turtle PADI, Seiko 5 Sport Diver.

13 April 2021, 05:54 PM	#920
Michael N Q8 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Real Name: Michael Location: Kuwait Watch: Daytona SS White Posts: 499	And a graph with trends Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ 116520 Daytona white, 116500 Daytona black, 126600 SD, Speedmaster Pro, 116710BLNR GMT II, Speedmaster trilogy 57, Breitling Navitimer A23322, Seiko SKX007J, Seiko Mini turtle PADI, Seiko 5 Sport Diver.

14 April 2021, 01:53 AM	#927
CharlesN "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The UK Watch: I love them all. Posts: 1,973	Yes, the results are NO excuse at all for you to open the back of a watch and fiddle about. They are also no reason to start running off to the RSC thinking you have discovered something amazing or dreadful. The findings are just for a group of like minded interested people to compare notes and results and see if there are any odd patterns. But, Dont forget .... There is a fun element also. Thats what hobbies are suppost to provide. __________________ Regards, CharlesN Member of the IWJG.

13 April 2021, 07:07 AM	#916
Slimpee 2025 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2020 Location: Midwest, USA Watch: DJ 41; 1803; BB Ch Posts: 1,291	My DJ 41, purchased around 12/2018, has been running slow. I got it on a timegrapher today: Depending on the position of the watch, the timekeeping was around -19, -20 seconds/day. Amplitude around 155-160. Lift angle of 52 deg. A trip to the AD is in my near future.

14 April 2021, 01:18 AM	#926
Liga Banned Join Date: Mar 2021 Location: Canada Watch: Bulova Marriage Posts: 95	Just be careful with your findings. Even a proper Witschi in the hands of a semi trained watchmaker can give confusing results. Any true watchmaker has had to learn what the Witschi is reading, and what it is actually telling him about the movement he is testing. A watchmaker can use it to diagnose any issues regarding timing. And how to go about fixing what he is seeing. These issues may be present in your Timegrapher readings, but because you are unfamiliar with what you are seeing and what it is telling you, you may come to the incorrect conclusion. It may take any watchmaking student years to be able to understand what is happening in a Witschi reading.

14 April 2021, 06:19 PM	#930
Michael N Q8 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Real Name: Michael Location: Kuwait Watch: Daytona SS White Posts: 499	Some more readings from last night...this reflects operation for 47 hours without winding. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ 116520 Daytona white, 116500 Daytona black, 126600 SD, Speedmaster Pro, 116710BLNR GMT II, Speedmaster trilogy 57, Breitling Navitimer A23322, Seiko SKX007J, Seiko Mini turtle PADI, Seiko 5 Sport Diver.

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