5270j

[Pw92676]

Seems like a few threads lately about 5270 specifically P. So as to not totally hi-jack one of those, adding a new one here.

I long thought 5270P would be a grail. Went to see it and it left me with less excitement than I dreamt of. Absolutely beautiful watch but the dial seemed to camouflage into my skin and the pt seemed more cold than I imagined. Not everyone photographs well standing next to a super model and I feel this is true in this scenario for me. Obligatory pic below.

My dealer seemed to think 5270J is an application piece and would not be able to order one for a new client. I trust my AD in general but think this may be a ploy to get me to add something from the showcase first. Why would they have a 5270P available but not be able to order 5270J?

I always have considered PCC to be the pinnacle of Patek. IMO salmon dial is Marquee 5270 but yellow gold/silvery dial is the marquee PCC. As much as I’d love a 2499, I don’t have the resources to track down an example lol.

For the enlightened PP folks here: is the 5270J a rarer bird to track down? Seems to be available from secondary sources. I would prefer AD of course as it would open more doors later. Any insight or leads appreciated.

[WatchGuy]

5270J will likely be produced in smaller quantities than the 5270P. Just as the 5970J was produced less than the 5970P.

The 5270P salmon dial is fantastic. It looks better (i.e. pops more), the darker your skin is. Looks good on you, Pw92676, as your skin isn’t too pasty. The Arabic numerals on the 5270P remedy one of the biggest complaints about the 5270 series; namely, the dial is too bottom-heavy.

[thanyasr]

In Asia, I can get 5270J right away but have to wait for 5270P. So I think neither is application piece.

[martinr]

5270J is not an application piece.

[jon_jon]

Some people like salmon dial, but it is not everyone's preference. Salmon dial is fairly rare for Patek watches. I don't like it, but that is my personal preference. Ple ty of people here like it.

Silver dial PCC is a classic. I own a silver dial 5270G and it is a classic watch. The 5270J will likely be produced in smaller numbers compared to the other metals because YG is not a popular metal in the Patek line up at the moment. But some people will still gravitate towards YG watches and so Patek still makes them.

One AD may only get a certain inventory allocation and may not get another 5270 allocation in a while. So your AD may not be able to "order" one for you. However if you call around, I am sure you will find an AD that has one in stock.

[bogdoc]

It is not an application piece.

[Pw92676]

Originally Posted by thanyasr

In Asia, I can get 5270J right away but have to wait for 5270P. So I think neither is application piece.

Too bad we can’t simply switch. 5270p here without a buyer. If you’d like I can inquire if they would be willing to ship to you.

Originally Posted by martinr

5270J is not an application piece.

Originally Posted by bogdoc

It is not an application piece.

Thank you very much for your insight! Greatly appreciated.

[Pw92676]

Originally Posted by jon_jon

Some people like salmon dial, but it is not everyone's preference. Salmon dial is fairly rare for Patek watches. I don't like it, but that is my personal preference. Ple ty of people here like it.

Silver dial PCC is a classic. I own a silver dial 5270G and it is a classic watch. The 5270J will likely be produced in smaller numbers compared to the other metals because YG is not a popular metal in the Patek line up at the moment. But some people will still gravitate towards YG watches and so Patek still makes them.

One AD may only get a certain inventory allocation and may not get another 5270 allocation in a while. So your AD may not be able to "order" one for you. However if you call around, I am sure you will find an AD that has one in stock.

I agree with your thoughts and I think your assessment is spot on. Thanks for sharing.

[vtwinrulez]

I guess the AD would not want to take a yellow gold one in - the 5270 looks tough to sell as it is, but in yellow gold it's likely even tougher.

[azizu]

I would choose the 5270J over the 5270P because if i compare the ref 5270 to the previous 5970 and 3970 the yellow gold aged the best.
PP might have produced the platinum/salmon dial 5270 a year or 2 years longer than people anticipated.

[Pw92676]

More questions regarding this:
If I find an AD that is willing to work with me, what is approx how long would be a reasonable wait? More or less than 1 year?

Would this purchase, along with a 5230R, be sufficient to be allocated a steel piece in near future?

Thanks again folks. Appreciate the feedback and education.

[jamestucker]

Originally Posted by Pw92676

More questions regarding this:
If I find an AD that is willing to work with me, what is approx how long would be a reasonable wait? More or less than 1 year?

Would this purchase, along with a 5230R, be sufficient to be allocated a steel piece in near future?

Thanks again folks. Appreciate the feedback and education.

5270J is not an application piece and it is difficult to move. If you purchase that you should ask for a Nautilus at the same time.

Most retailers will be happy to do a bundle deal

[CountryBoy]

Originally Posted by Pw92676

More questions regarding this:
If I find an AD that is willing to work with me, what is approx how long would be a reasonable wait? More or less than 1 year?

Would this purchase, along with a 5230R, be sufficient to be allocated a steel piece in near future?

Thanks again folks. Appreciate the feedback and education.

Howdy,

I can ask my AD in Yonder. I know they have the 5270p here as i checked it against my 5320G. LOVE both.

First time i saw 5270P my jaw dropped. Second time comparing it with my 5320G i saw the good in mine. 5270 is still superior of course.

I noticed the elegance of 5270J after you brought that up a week or so ago.

The one year wait surprises me a bit. I'm sure yellow gold version would be more popular in Asia. It may be worthwhile to contact some Patek shops there if you're also willing to travel.

Regarding the guarantee for a steel in the future, I would not count on that. What I have learnt with Patek (and Rolex) is that if you see what you love, jump on it

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[Pw92676]

Originally Posted by CountryBoy

Howdy,

I can ask my AD in Yonder. I know they have the 5270p here as i checked it against my 5320G. LOVE both.

First time i saw 5270P my jaw dropped. Second time comparing it with my 5320G i saw the good in mine. 5270 is still superior of course.

I noticed the elegance of 5270J after you brought that up a week or so ago.

The one year wait surprises me a bit. I'm sure yellow gold version would be more popular in Asia. It may be worthwhile to contact some Patek shops there if you're also willing to travel.

Regarding the guarantee for a steel in the future, I would not count on that. What I have learnt with Patek (and Rolex) is that if you see what you love, jump on it

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Many thanks. I appreciate it. Happy to travel to Yonder, moreso to supply your horses with some cognac if they are willing to make that downgrade :)

I have heard a year but that was assumption and not authoritative source.

I agree in that I wasnt thinking to delay the purchase to make a mandatory steel piece. I just wanted to verify if it would be a stretch to consider one in the near future afterwards.

[CountryBoy]

Originally Posted by Pw92676

Many thanks. I appreciate it. Happy to travel to Yonder, moreso to supply your horses with some cognac if they are willing to make that downgrade :)

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I just texted my AD and will keep you posted. I will bring an extra horse to the airport with me. As long as the Cognac is not the mass marketing kind, heehaw and i will be content.

[Sheldor]

Not an application piece. I visited the ad in downtown Chicago recently and they had one without a buyer.

[Pw92676]

Originally Posted by Sheldor

Not an application piece. I visited the ad in downtown Chicago recently and they had one without a buyer.

Thanks. I’ll look into this, appreciate your candor.

I think jon_jon’s assessment may be correct in that while it is not application, the AD simply cannot procure one. Or they simply are trying to strongarm me into the P. Interestingly the owner himself came to store that day (for the first time in over a year of WFH mind you). He kept telling me that he had never seen one and “this is Tommy Stern’s favorite watch.” The SA was mortified lol.

What now chafes me is that they just dismissed the issue and chalked it up to “it’s an application piece” and they won’t be able to help me. I didn’t ask for any special bundle or discount or other ransom type request. And interestingly they know that my wife is due for a ring upgrade, the budget of which is around same ballpark of this piece. Seems they would have been more keen to press around on my behalf. Loyalty is a two way street and I gave them the first crack.

[IBDOC]

What is and what isn’t an application piece seems to vary. As in, some second tier retailers seemingly don’t get models that are otherwise stock models in core markets. My retailer in Scandinavia would probably have to request a 5270 to get one, whereas when talking to the representative of my wife’s family’s AD (oldest one in Switzerland), the PP manager was adamant that not even things like 5204, 5520, 6102 and 5370 are strictly speaking application pieces as in needing personal approval by Stern. The only stuff This AD cannot request and then distribute to their own customers were chiming watches, 5372 and certain rare handcrafts and high jewelry models. The same AD had a 5204/1R, 5270P, 5270/1R and 5270J displayed in store, all for sale.

I can imagine that this process looks different in different markets, especially for those with their own country-wide distributor.

[AK797]

I too like the idea of aristocratic/Balmoral salmon but maybe not on a watch, I prefer RG to YG as it is warmer but it can get lost in tanned skin. If a blue dial is appealing to you then the WG is a great piece.