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[denmanproject]

What a race! Alonso defending Lewis was incredible to watch

[77T]

Originally Posted by denmanproject

What a race! Alonso defending Lewis was incredible to watch

Definitely.


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[sillo]

Well just when you think Hamilton's day couldn't get much better

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...6q2TCDkiS.html

[JonaG]

Originally Posted by sillo

Well just when you think Hamilton's day couldn't get much better

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...6q2TCDkiS.html

Yeah, seems harsh but rules are rules. I’m unclear about the exact technicality of the 1.0 litre of fuel...does that mean it has to be taken post-race to ensure that each car finishes with at least that amount or is the litre sample just for the FIAs potential to analyse it?

[77T]

Originally Posted by sillo

Well just when you think Hamilton's day couldn't get much better

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...6q2TCDkiS.html

Yes that will eventually be true if the announced appeal by VET’s team fails. For now,
…the articles missed the point that results issued at the event are:

Originally Posted by JonaG

Yeah, seems harsh but rules are rules. I’m unclear about the exact technicality of the 1.0 litre of fuel...does that mean it has to be taken post-race to ensure that each car finishes with at least that amount or is the litre sample just for the FIAs potential to analyse it?

That’s the minimum fuel sample required. Much is used when testing is done at track. Then the remainder is held in case of Appeals. Other fluids also must be taken for testing.

For example today, Jo Bauer had these tests reported:

Fuel flow meter calibration checksums were checked on all cars.
The instantaneous fuel mass flow of all cars was checked.
The fuel temperature of all cars was checked.
The total fuel mass consumed by all cars during the race was checked.
The fuel samples have been checked for density and analysed by gas chromatography.
The results of all the fuel analyses show that the fuels were the same as ones, which had been approved for use by the relevant competitors prior to the Event.
Further the density change of the fuel samples taken today was within the permitted limits.
The engine oil samples have been analysed by FTIR spectroscopy and viscometry.
The results of the FTIR analyses show that the sampled oils were consistent with reference engine oil samples which had been approved for use by the relevant competitors prior to the Event.


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[Brny11]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

Now we know who has great car control today... and who doesn't.

Not sure what your talking about - Mercedes to announce 5yr Bottas contract extension after this one lol!

[Rad22]

Originally Posted by Brny11

Not sure what your talking about - Mercedes to announce 5yr Bottas contract extension after this one lol!

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[77T]

HAMRUS’22
…or in the vernacular of the F1 field, Hammer Us in 2022.


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[Rashid.bk]

Just finished watching as I had to work so avoided media and this thread so I didn’t spoil my experience.
Wow, what a turn of events. Botas, man he must feel like crap. Such a crappy mistake.

Originally Posted by Speedbird-1

Wasn't impressed by the crowd booing a 7 times Champion.

That was pretty nasty. I don’t know what to say but it makes me become a Lewis fan if people want to make him the bad guy. He turns into the under dog for me(yea yea, I know he’s far from that, but he’s being demonized it seems). And I love under dogs.
Lewis was worn out after that. He body language and breathing showed there was a lot of exertion and effort to overcome the last place position. Would be surprised if he was evaluated for heat exhaustion.

Originally Posted by 77T

Ping pong. Started by BOT and then into other car(s) at start took out VER


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Leclerc’s tweet was ironically hilarious, poor guy.
“Nice bowling game”….lmao.

Originally Posted by sillo

Alonso's defense was incredible. Crucial in locking in Ocon's win.

Alonso blocking was pretty entertaining but exciting. Definitely helped Ocon win and blocked Lewis from the win, but it’s racing and everyone wants to be as far in front as possible. If you are going wheel to wheel with someone, all you care about is that race, beating him is like first place to you.

Originally Posted by daveathall

Just watched the highlights, how fabulous was Hamilton? Last to third on a notoriously hard to overtake track. Fabulous driving.

It just goes to show that he really is a champion, and that he got there by real actual talent. Just take him for what he is on the track, personal life aside….it’s not just because of the car. Sucks for Vettel, this is where the team fails and why it’s a team sport. He still second in my book.

As for Ocon and how far ahead he remained and defended the lead from Vettel just proves how much talent these “mid packers” posses. F1 drivers are the creme of the crop. So happy to see this kid win, he deserves it so much and it warms the heart to see him win, just like Gastly. This race made F1 suspensefully fun and the reason I love it. The suspense that built up at the beginning makes me feel like I’m taking part in one those historic rivalries of old that were even worst than this.

As for Max, keep your chin up yougin. I was extremely impressed with his attitude this whole weekend. He gave good job fiat bumps to Lewis and Val after Q3. Was exceedingly uncharacteristically even, calm after Norris slammed into him. It’s not over Max.

[SDGT3]

Better to be lucky than good. Besides Alonso putting on a driving clinic on how to race with a much slower car, the funniest and hypocritical part of the race was this:

A quote from Hamilton when racing Alonso for position:

HAM
“At that speed it’s so dangerous”...

[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by Brny11

Not sure what your talking about - Mercedes to announce 5yr Bottas contract extension after this one lol!

That's great news! Botas supports the team and in their decision to help HAM earn the Driver's Championship. Botas is the proverbial Rubens Barichello for Michael Schumacher way back during the Ferrari hayday... and I truly LOVE Rubens, he's a fun guy to be around for sure!

Now Botas can relax and become the same fun guy Rubens is.

[SDGT3]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

That's great news! Botas supports the team and in their decision to help HAM earn the Driver's Championship. Botas is the proverbial Rubens Barichello for Michael Schumacher way back during the Ferrari hayday... and I truly LOVE Rubens, he's a fun guy to be around for sure!

Now Botas can relax and become the same fun guy Rubens is.

I think he was being sarcastic in his comment as Bottas doesn't actually have to score points to help the team anymore.

How is Alex Albon going to recreate the Lap 1 $hitfest?

[Sleepy996]

Old Alonzo still got it. Watching him make that car wide through turns 1-2 was pure wizardry. Anyone else notice Lewis almost pass out on the podium ? Heat stroke ?

[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by SDGT3

I think he was being sarcastic in his comment as Bottas doesn't actually have to score points to help the team anymore.

How is Alex Albon going to recreate the Lap 1 $hitfest?

LOL about Alex.

Ahhh thanks, I missed the sarcasm (need to finish my Monday morning cappuccino). i like Bottas, yet dunno as he never truly 'amazed' me. Rubens is actually better than Bottas imho, but that's another story and includes the things Rubens did off-track to help others. Part of Senna's allure was not what he did ON track, he also did wonderful things OFF track too. Perhaps Bottas should concentrate on building an off-track legacy?

Originally Posted by Sleepy996

Old Alonzo still got it. Watching him make that car wide through turns 1-2 was pure wizardry. Anyone else notice Lewis almost pass out on the podium ? Heat stroke ?

Said it before and I'll say it again, Alonso has MASSIVE talent!!! BTW i was in Barcelona when he earned his Driver's Championship (also during the La Mercè Festival btw), it was an EPIC party time to be sure.

[erhein]

Originally Posted by Brny11

Not sure what your talking about - Mercedes to announce 5yr Bottas contract extension after this one lol!

Overheard in the Mercedes garage after the race, Valtteri to Toto: So, you think George Russell can do that? (Hearty laughter)

[Sleepy996]

The memes after the race were incredible.

[OmegaJJH]

Originally Posted by Sleepy996

Anyone else notice Lewis almost pass out on the podium ? Heat stroke ?

He’s cited potential Long Covid as he’s not able to train like he used too. Easily gets fatigued etc.

Went straight to see Doctors before completing post race interview obligations.


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[texasmade]

I'm seriously starting to think that RBR blew almost their entire cap for the year which is why Horner is constantly whining about costs now whenever there's an accident.

[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by texasmade

I'm seriously starting to think that RBR blew almost their entire cap for the year which is why Horner is constantly whining about costs now whenever there's an accident.

^^^ my suspicion as well. So he's counting pennies in the sofa cushion with many races to go. It'll be interesting to see how things go after the break.

[SDGT3]

To be fair, Horner isn't the only one to complain about the cost of damage. Binotto of Ferrari has proposed a radical idea that has never been used in any form of racing to the best of my knowledge and that's to have the team found guilty pay for their rival's damage. Can you imagine how many millions Mercedes would be on the hook after being found guilty of damage sustained in just the last 2 races alone?? BTW, with Bottas' surgical strike, not only did he take out both Red Bulls, but he also took out Lando Norris while Stroll took care of Leclerc and Bottas retains the 3rd spot in the championship. Well done Valterri!

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/g...LQFDmkFn6RX7Yg

Speaking of damage, Lando Norris directed a nice jab at both Mercedes driver's for not having to race very often and causing damage. Given the fact Mercedes hasn't had to race any other team for 9 years, Lando said this:

"They don't race that often and not in the pack getting in dirty air. So maybe they just don't experience it and they need to learn that a little bit more."

Finally, there's this graph that shows just how great Max has been in 2021, just how lucky Lewis is to be leading the points going into the summer break, how disappointing Perez has been at the midway mark of the season and how bad Bottas really is in what is arguably the fastest car on grid.

[77T]

I posted earlier about damage costs, spending caps and OPM.

It’s not the cash - the top teams have plenty. It wouldn’t even be a penalty to pay for damage - over time it just becomes a “cost of business”.

BTW, Horner sings many songs - he’s a one-man karaoke machine. Well known and has changes tunes as the circumstances warrant. Remember 2018? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-megastar.html

Different circumstances since it was self-inflicted but see how Horner dismissively handled Lauda’s idea?

I believe a non-cash transfer is better penalty for causing significant on-track damage (handled like depreciation on accounting forms). MB’s spending cap would be reduced Euro for Euro for damage to RBR, and conversely RBR’s cap increased.

As for young NOR, he should close his mouth. His #2 MB contract can still be pulled - too fresh, grasshopper; too idealistic -

As for VER laps led…anyone who leads just 12 laps can win WDC…just have to lead the last lap that many times to be champ.

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[SDGT3]

Originally Posted by 77T

As for young NOR, he should close his mouth. His #2 MB contract can still be pulled - too fresh, grasshopper; too idealistic

Why so tough on Lando? Max has said it, and Lando is just saying what other professional drivers in multiple series have said for years.

Tony Kanaan, an IndyCar champion and 2013 Indy 500 winner:

"What can I say," Kanaan told GLOBO. "The guy (Hamilton) competed in a two-car world championship last year and was second, so I don't think he can say much. It was a pleasure to have Fernando here. He is humble, not like some of his colleagues who were making comments this month."

Fernando Alonso's comments after yesterday's race:

But Alonso mischievously suggested after the race that he felt Hamilton should have passed him significantly earlier than he did.

“Honestly, I think Lewis was making small mistakes in the last two corners – that’s my honest opinion,” said Alonso. “Because he had so much pace that you cannot take eight laps to pass with that pace advantage. And in fact, after changing a few lines, he got past Carlos [Sainz, for P3] immediately one lap later, so it was not difficult to pass in my opinion, but he took four or five laps to figure it out.

And from another interview:

Alpine driver Alonso reckoned the pair’s 10-lap dogfight had allowed Hamilton to learn his rival’s superior line through the final sector, which the Brit then adopted to swiftly depose Sainz with five laps to go to score a podium.

Alonso said: “I thought honestly that I could not hold him more than one or two laps. But on the last couple of corners, he seemed to struggle a little bit to follow me. Then it was enough to open a gap on the straight and defend.

“I think he learned a couple of different lines in the last three corners after the 10 laps behind me. He was able to pass Carlos just in one lap, applying those new lines.”

>>>>>

If one gets away from the UK centric news and reads coverage in other languages, there's a near universal opinion on this.

[77T]

Originally Posted by SDGT3

Why so tough on Lando? Max has said it, and Lando is just saying what other professional drivers in multiple series have said for years.

Maybe I’m too tough on NOR - we shall see. He had a right to be upset in the interview pen. BOT apologized immediately for his mistake.

NOR is fast, just that I’d like not to hear a VER parrot off-track - just MHO but one VER is enough.


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[sillo]

Why isn't there some sort of FIA adjuster who can assess damage caused by others and award extra money towards the cap to cover repairs?

With cost cap I'd imagine the FIA is going to know the relative cost of parts and labor so it's not like the teams could pull a fast one by inflating damage costs.

[SDGT3]

Originally Posted by sillo

Why isn't there some sort of FIA adjuster who can assess damage caused by others and award extra money towards the cap to cover repairs?

F1 teams have to go to an approved shop, get 3 quotes and then submit them to the FIA for approval.

I've got a feeling there's going to be allowances made and rules changed for 2022 to compensate for this.

[Rashid.bk]

Originally Posted by sillo

Why isn't there some sort of FIA adjuster who can assess damage caused by others and award extra money towards the cap to cover repairs?

With cost cap I'd imagine the FIA is going to know the relative cost of parts and labor so it's not like the teams could pull a fast one by inflating damage costs.

This would be a nightmare IMO. It would encourage driver recklessness because hey blame it on the other guy or at the very least subtract fear and caution of getting into a wreck because someone else will pay.

Then you have quarreling back and forth more legally about who’s fault and what percentage they are accountable for. The FIA will likely need to add a new dept that coordinates with stewards, and both teams to access percentage of blame and fault and how that translates into paying and when.

It’s like taking something that works and adding government red tape and bureaucracy to the process. It’s racing, it’s expensive, because engines, technology, wear and tear, tech development, environmental elements, traveling, salaries, driver error and racing incidents. If you can’t pay to play, then you can’t play.

If people want Mercedes to pay for this like Lewis deliberately pushed Max into the wall and want Mercedes to pay for “everyone’s” damage because Botas made an error. Then goodness gracious, let’s look at all the damage Max has cause over the last 3-4 years, Red Bull would probably be out of F1 and MB would be out this year.
Mayhem happens in the wet, it’s racing. 17 plus cars trying to get around a corner that is about two and half meters wide in conditions no one has experienced on cold tires with full fuel load and greasy floors. Nico predicted something like this would happen, why because he’s psychic, or because this type of stuff has happened and will happen again.

As for Norris whining and bitching that the front teams aren’t used to racing is complete bs. Go wipe your nose and chillax little bro, the worst and most hypocritical thing anyone could do is say Botas is an idiot and should be banned or penalized for seven years plus probation with no visitation. Dude had a racing accident, it happens. F1 is where the big boys play.
You want chill, safe, law abiding drivers racing around at 50% of the limit, you need to go watch eight year olds in carting.

Couple races ago everyone and their mom said oh how immensely booooooring Monaco was, now the drivers are going for it and people start pointing fingers, bad driver, bad team….which is it. You can’t possibly be “safe” driving prototype open wheel cars pushing prototype racetrack specific rubber beyond its limits at 180 plus mph pedal flat on an apex.

Everyone including me credits Alonso racing Lewis and ultimately holding him up, but guess what, give Lewis credit because that’s how you race, not toss your car into a hole willy nilly and scare the other guy into giving up position. Is everyone like that, nope and that’s how you protect your car, his car and your championship points.

Just thinking out loud not directly responding to anyone here specifically.

[sillo]

Originally Posted by Rashid.bk

This would be a nightmare IMO. It would encourage driver recklessness because hey blame it on the other guy or at the very least subtract fear and caution of getting into a wreck because someone else will pay.

Then you have quarreling back and forth more legally about who’s fault and what percentage they are accountable for.

I wasn't saying the other team would pay, I agree that would be a nightmare. I was just saying why not just let the team repair the damage at no hit to their cap if someone torpedoes into them. They could some third party rep would be the one who determines the amount.

[enjoythemusic]

Maybe RbR should start a GoFundMe campaign?

[golftime]

Originally Posted by Rashid.bk

It just goes to show that he really is a champion, and that he got there by real actual talent. Just take him for what he is on the track, personal life aside….it’s not just because of the car.

I give him credit. He is definitely a great driver and unfortunately a great whiner at the same time.

[77T]

Originally Posted by sillo

I wasn't saying the other team would pay, I agree that would be a nightmare. I was just saying why not just let the team repair the damage at no hit to their cap if someone torpedoes into them. They could some third party rep would be the one who determines the amount.

I understood your meaning and it’s a fair manner to handle full write-offs.

There’s no need to have a 3rd party. I think it can be easier.

2 million € per chassis written off would be added to the innocent driver’s team cap and deducted from guilty driver’s team cap. No real money - just accounting debits/credits...

It doesn’t need to be precise - just a round number higher than the most expensive chassis. It’s fair and it’s such a high penalty bar that this keeps anyone from wanting to be guilty of playing bumper cars in a dangerous way.

The smaller incidents with stuff like bodywork is not worth it.


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