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Poohsan · 16 May 2009, 05:15 PM

The serial number is odd !?! Does anyone have any comments?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Rolex-Tudor-Prin...3A1%7C294%3A50

idk01 · 16 May 2009, 07:10 PM

perpetual_time (1080) Member is a PowerSeller

Its unusual for Perpetual time but this looks like the serial and model have been re worked, guys need to confirm this

Imtiaz · 16 May 2009, 08:03 PM

Guys, this is a rework for sure.

Hand engraving with a Dremel engraver could produce this type of result.

Strange the case does not show any signs of having been ground down.

Could be a fake where the engravings were done by hand

diablojota · 16 May 2009, 09:12 PM

To me it looks like that the original engravings wore off from wear and someone attempted to re-engrave all of the numbers. Unfortunate as the watch looks to be genuine. Those numbers do wear off due to bracelet rubbing and the like. And if you look, it appears that someone did polish between the case lugs (look at the grain directionality). The dial does not look Navy Blue to me as it is stated in the description. Am I wrong here?

jslatone · 16 May 2009, 10:01 PM

The dial is definitely not blue on the pix...

Engraving and made as well.

TimeToGo · 16 May 2009, 10:05 PM

This does NOT look right!

idk01 · 16 May 2009, 10:49 PM

*bump* keeping this one up the top :-)

Terry Newton · 17 May 2009, 12:17 AM

THERE'SARATINTHEATTIC!

Terry Newton

idk01 · 21 May 2009, 06:35 PM

Prod

idk01 · 24 May 2009, 02:11 PM

It still survives, it has yet to tun to the dark side of the can

motomc1 · 24 May 2009, 02:59 PM

alot of Tudor marks like this. I have seen that exact B on the serial# many, many times. Top of the B "lazy". Exactly as that one.

blaine mattison · 24 May 2009, 03:12 PM

when i saw the pictures, i thought that the 5 and 3 LOOK REAL close to these 5513's on a 83 and the other is a 87 model. i myself, might be sitting by alone on this one. so to say this is up for thought----yes!

motomc1 · 24 May 2009, 03:18 PM

nt

blaine mattison · 24 May 2009, 03:22 PM

that is a better example then mine!

any others?

motomc1 · 24 May 2009, 03:28 PM

790xxx or 750xxx I have seen have that lazy B. I believe that the above mentioned watch numbers are straight. I have owned many, many Tudor Subs.

tudorman8276 · 24 May 2009, 03:49 PM

...my B is clean.

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motomc1 · 24 May 2009, 03:57 PM

790xxx and 750xxx. All 791xxx and 751xxx (next model series) i have seen have clean B's.

blaine mattison · 24 May 2009, 04:20 PM

do we have any others examples of b, 5's and 3's?

stevemulholland3 · 24 May 2009, 07:45 PM

I have seen similiar fonts,,I will see if I can dig some up..

springer · 25 May 2009, 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by idk01

perpetual_time (1080) Member is a PowerSeller

Its unusual for Perpetual time but this looks like the serial and model have been re worked, guys need to confirm this

Here's a couple pics from my 1982 Tudor chronograph "big-block."

Z-Sub · 25 May 2009, 05:11 PM

done by hand and I don't think that's original. maybe the case is aftermarket

idk01 · 25 May 2009, 05:42 PM

Just a quite reminder this still lives :-(

just over 13 hours to go.

Prod from me

springer · 26 May 2009, 01:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blaine mattison

that is a better example then mine!

any others?

5513. The 5513 is there, but a little worn.

idk01 · 26 May 2009, 03:09 AM

4 hours left, last prod for me now, time for some sleep ......zzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZ

blaine mattison · 26 May 2009, 04:13 AM

the five and three on my post have the same features this as the one in question.

the post by motomc1 on the lazy b, i have seen serveral and owned a few.

DRAWTOOL · 26 May 2009, 07:32 AM

I own one of these and for the record the numbers (under a loupe) look clean and precise. Sorry I cannot take micro pics.

16 May 2009, 05:15 PM	#1
Poohsan "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Real Name: Arron Location: phoenix, AZ Watch: GMT 1675 Posts: 764	Interesting serial number engraving. The serial number is odd !?! Does anyone have any comments? http://cgi.ebay.com/Rolex-Tudor-Prin...3A1%7C294%3A50

16 May 2009, 07:10 PM	#2
idk01 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Dave Location: Australia Watch: DJ16233TT Posts: 18,485	perpetual_time (1080) Member is a PowerSeller Its unusual for Perpetual time but this looks like the serial and model have been re worked, guys need to confirm this __________________ *Apprentice to Terry Newton; Superstar and Fake Sleuth*

16 May 2009, 09:12 PM	#4
diablojota "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Real Name: Frank Location: Chattanooga, TN Watch: SS Submariner Date Posts: 4,042	To me it looks like that the original engravings wore off from wear and someone attempted to re-engrave all of the numbers. Unfortunate as the watch looks to be genuine. Those numbers do wear off due to bracelet rubbing and the like. And if you look, it appears that someone did polish between the case lugs (look at the grain directionality). The dial does not look Navy Blue to me as it is stated in the description. Am I wrong here? __________________ RTFT - Read The Friggin' Thread FcB

16 May 2009, 10:49 PM	#7
idk01 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Dave Location: Australia Watch: DJ16233TT Posts: 18,485	bump keeping this one up the top :-) __________________ *Apprentice to Terry Newton; Superstar and Fake Sleuth*

17 May 2009, 12:17 AM	#8
Terry Newton "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Terry Newton Location: Michigan Watch: Rolex TT GMT II c Posts: 6,644	THERE'SARATINTHEATTIC! Terry Newton __________________ Terry Newton; Superstar and Fake Sleuth "Z" SS Date Submariner "Z" TT GMT-Master IIc

16 May 2009, 08:03 PM	#3
Imtiaz Banned Join Date: Aug 2008 Real Name: De Location: Tokyo Watch: Daytona, Sub, DS, Posts: 1,046	Guys, this is a rework for sure. Hand engraving with a Dremel engraver could produce this type of result. Strange the case does not show any signs of having been ground down. Could be a fake where the engravings were done by hand

16 May 2009, 10:01 PM	#5
jslatone Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: NYC Metro Area Posts: 20	The dial is definitely not blue on the pix... Engraving and made as well.

16 May 2009, 10:05 PM	#6
TimeToGo 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: North Florida Posts: 16,712	This does NOT look right!

21 May 2009, 06:35 PM	#9
idk01 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Dave Location: Australia Watch: DJ16233TT Posts: 18,485	Prod __________________ *Apprentice to Terry Newton; Superstar and Fake Sleuth*

24 May 2009, 02:11 PM	#10
idk01 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Dave Location: Australia Watch: DJ16233TT Posts: 18,485	It still survives, it has yet to tun to the dark side of the can __________________ *Apprentice to Terry Newton; Superstar and Fake Sleuth*

24 May 2009, 02:59 PM	#11
motomc1 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 1,807	Not to rock the boat...but I have seen..... alot of Tudor marks like this. I have seen that exact B on the serial# many, many times. Top of the B "lazy". Exactly as that one.

24 May 2009, 03:22 PM	#14
blaine mattison "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: blaine Location: memphis Watch: my next find Posts: 1,060	that is a better example then mine! any others?

24 May 2009, 03:28 PM	#15
motomc1 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 1,807	Almost all the PRE 791xxx or 751xxx WHICH WOULD BE.. 790xxx or 750xxx I have seen have that lazy B. I believe that the above mentioned watch numbers are straight. I have owned many, many Tudor Subs.

24 May 2009, 03:49 PM	#16
tudorman8276 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: STAN Location: KY-USA Watch: Rolex Prez Posts: 12,583	...here is a B-ser... ...my B is clean. 1.jpg 2.jpg

24 May 2009, 04:20 PM	#18
blaine mattison "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: blaine Location: memphis Watch: my next find Posts: 1,060	do we have any others examples of b, 5's and 3's?

24 May 2009, 07:45 PM	#19
stevemulholland3 Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: steven Location: tampa bay Watch: 1680 18k sub Posts: 6,672	I have seen similiar fonts,,I will see if I can dig some up..

25 May 2009, 05:11 PM	#21
Z-Sub 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: So Cal, USA Watch: Not a ONEWatch Man Posts: 7,383	done by hand and I don't think that's original. maybe the case is aftermarket __________________ SS Submariner Date "Z" SS SeaDweller "D" SS Submariner "Random" TT Blue Submariner "P" SS GMT-Master ll "M", Pepsi Pam 311, 524, 297

25 May 2009, 05:42 PM	#22
idk01 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Dave Location: Australia Watch: DJ16233TT Posts: 18,485	Just a quite reminder this still lives :-( just over 13 hours to go. Prod from me __________________ *Apprentice to Terry Newton; Superstar and Fake Sleuth*

26 May 2009, 03:09 AM	#24
idk01 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Dave Location: Australia Watch: DJ16233TT Posts: 18,485	4 hours left, last prod for me now, time for some sleep ......zzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZ __________________ *Apprentice to Terry Newton; Superstar and Fake Sleuth*

26 May 2009, 04:13 AM	#25
blaine mattison "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: blaine Location: memphis Watch: my next find Posts: 1,060	the five and three on my post have the same features this as the one in question. the post by motomc1 on the lazy b, i have seen serveral and owned a few.

26 May 2009, 07:32 AM	#26
DRAWTOOL "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Real Name: Mikey Uí Néill Location: Olden Texas Watch: 14060M & 16570 Posts: 1,941	I own one of these and for the record the numbers (under a loupe) look clean and precise. Sorry I cannot take micro pics.

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