P.9010 movement has been updated for 2020

[roger.bolton]

As they now use the p9010 in many 42mm models it may be the case.

[yachty 1]

Originally Posted by azcii

Ok, so I just found out this

The old 1312 (with hacking) had a 15.5mm thick case.

The newer 1118 and 1662 (no hacking) are both 14.2-14.5mm thick.

Could the removal of the hacking mechanism have made the movement thinner hence enabling a thinner case? Or is this difference a result of removing the glass back?

Just checked my 1320 which has a clear back and it's definitely thicker then my 1662. I must say though my 661 with the same backing as my 1662(non see through ) wear the same . So the glass back to me makes it thicker

[azcii]

Someone from the italian forums passionepaneraiwatch.com apparently opened the caseback and took a picture of the movement:
https://passionepaneraiwatch.forumfr...78917032&st=75

The Gen 2 P.9010 looks like this:

[The OG Beef]

Originally Posted by azcii

Someone from the italian forums passionepaneraiwatch.com apparently opened the caseback and took a picture of the movement:
https://passionepaneraiwatch.forumfr...78917032&st=75

The Gen 2 P.9010 looks like this:

I’ll have to get a watch to compare, but first glance says:
- decorations gone (no worries here with solid back)
- hacking removed, not just disabled
- balance bridge thankfully remains.

IMO they simply made a robust movement more so and cut costs along the way. I don’t blame them, but I don’t support the secrecy in which it was deployed. And it absolutely MUST have a new reference number.


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[azcii]

Originally Posted by The OG Beef

I’ll have to get a watch to compare, but first glance says:
- decorations gone (no worries here with solid back)
- hacking removed, not just disabled
- balance bridge thankfully remains.

IMO they simply made a robust movement more so and cut costs along the way. I don’t blame them, but I don’t support the secrecy in which it was deployed. And it absolutely MUST have a new reference number.


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Just so I understand, is the part I've marked with the yellow circle the hacking-mechanism?

[The OG Beef]

Originally Posted by azcii

Just so I understand, is the part I've marked with the yellow circle the hacking-mechanism?

No, red circle.




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[yachty 1]

Very subtle and livable change In my eyes.

[eonflux]

Was the change for the P.9010 to improve profit?
Prices for Panerai watches haven't gone down, so with reduced costs, would increase profit.

If that's the motive, seems kinda lame. They'll probably keep increasing watch prices and could have squeezed in another price bump to increase profit vs dumbing down the movement.

As for removing the hacking mechanism to improve reliability, also kinda lame since so many other movements hack and are reliable. If Panerai can't achieve that as a manufacturer, that's really weak.

[pereztroika]

I'm actually positively surprised they kept the ball bearing for the rotor. I noticed that on newly released movements with micro-rotor something has changed. Instead of the usual ball bearing, we can now see a weird raw-looking, star-shaped screw, e.g. on the perpetual calendar movement (PAM715). The same can be observed on to the PAM1240 Brabus.




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Jose