Through all the bad, dwell on the good.

[MrGoat]

I know faith in our humanity is pretty bleak right now. At least for me it is. This is not political just a generalization how I notice most care about nothing but themselves and their own lives.

My heart was lifted by watching this video and faith was somewhat restored watching multiple strangers of different walks of life and jobs come together to save a woman going through a mental crisis.

If you need help or to talk or whatever please reach out. Myself and many fellow forum members will be happy to help any way we can.
As someone who has struggled with mental illness in the past I want each and every person reading this to know that people care about you, I know I personally care about each and every one of you. You’re not alone.

https://www.wfla.com/news/florida/dr...from-overpass/


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Wife and i saw it on the evening news. Wow, just wow. And yeah TRF is always here if ya need us.

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[MrGoat]

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Wife and i saw it on the evening news. Wow, just wow. And yeah TRF is always here if ya need us.

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Thanks for the support Steven!!


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[Chewbacca]

Thanks for sharing this. So true. So uplifting.

[77T]

Amazing video. I’d like to add a word of thanks to the LEOs who were the initial ones. They were the ones wearing the body cameras and scurrying down the embankment and climbing onto the truck with the Good Samaritans.


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[MrGoat]

Originally Posted by 77T

Amazing video. I’d like to add a word of thanks to the LEOs who were the initial ones. They were the ones wearing the body cameras and scurrying down the embankment and climbing onto the truck with the Good Samaritans.


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I agree. However, that’s the LEO’s job. Don’t get me wrong, I bleed blue, my brother is a LEO and I have many friends that are as well. I’m more enamored by the people that were there risking their lives to help someone when they didn’t have to and weren’t getting paid for it. For instance, at the end of the video there is a man in the other side of the fence that’s not a LEO. The first two to jump on top of the truck were civilians. That’s powerful to me. That tells me there’s a whole lot of people that care about others even though it doesn’t feel that way most of the time in day to day life. Coincidences don’t happen often in my life, there’s always a cause and a reason. It’s either coincidence that 8-10 people who didn’t have to help chose to put of the 200 or so that were close enough to to the situation to help. I’d have bet my money on 1 in every 200. It’s refreshing and uplifting to see so many eager to help when they didn’t have to.

That being said, thank you to all of our law enforcement wherever you are for serving to protect whatever way that entails for each call and to all the civilians that are willing to risk their lives and time to help a stranger. From the bottom of my heart, Thank you all.


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[77T]

Originally Posted by MrGoat

I agree. However, that’s the LEO’s job. Don’t get me wrong, I bleed blue, my brother is a LEO and I have many friends that are as well. I’m more enamored by the people that were there risking their lives to help someone when they didn’t have to and weren’t getting paid for it. For instance, at the end of the video there is a man in the other side of the fence that’s not a LEO. The first two to jump on top of the truck were civilians. That’s powerful to me. That tells me there’s a whole lot of people that care about others even though it doesn’t feel that way most of the time in day to day life. Coincidences don’t happen often in my life, there’s always a cause and a reason. It’s either coincidence that 8-10 people who didn’t have to help chose to put of the 200 or so that were close enough to to the situation to help. I’d have bet my money on 1 in every 200. It’s refreshing and uplifting to see so many eager to help when they didn’t have to.

That being said, thank you to all of our law enforcement wherever you are for serving to protect whatever way that entails for each call and to all the civilians that are willing to risk their lives and time to help a stranger. From the bottom of my heart, Thank you all.


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Yes the Good Samaritans go unthanked many times. So much of what a community’s LEO cohort relies upon is common human kindness toward strangers. Imagine if people always just stared at the hapless and never lent a hand.

So glad this person could be saved plus the driver(s) who might have been harmed had she jumped.


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[MrGoat]

Originally Posted by 77T

Yes the Good Samaritans go unthanked many times. So much of what a community’s LEO cohort relies upon is common human kindness toward strangers. Imagine if people always just stared at the hapless and never lent a hand.

So glad this person could be saved plus the driver(s) who might have been harmed had she jumped.


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I agree. Cheers!!


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[brandrea]

Human compassion is a powerful thing. Thank you for the reminder.

[BNA/LION]

It all about helping and lifting up others. I truly believe one must work on one's self, have gratitude and an appreciation for all humans everywhere. Try to do something special for someone else everyday. It really feels good.

[MrGoat]

Originally Posted by BNA/LION

It all about helping and lifting up others. I truly believe one must work on one's self, have gratitude and an appreciation for all humans everywhere. Try to do something special for someone else everyday. It really feels good.

I agree Larry. I get so much out of being kind and helping others that it almost feels selfish.


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[OYptL]

Fantastic ending. I’ve been baker acted on 8 different occasions. This woman was clearly in crisis and the outcome could have been tragic. Thx to that driver and compassionate people in life. Life isn’t rosy for everyone. Trust me when I tell you that.

[GradyPhilpott]

That really is amazing.

There have been a few stories of late where complete strangers come together in a moment of someone's crisis to work as a team to save the day.

These are all from 2022.

https://www.kktv.com/2022/06/01/grap...-under-car-sc/

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loca...olice/3741550/

https://www.yahoo.com/video/bystande...231640034.html

https://www.officer.com/on-the-stree...inned-under-it

[East Bay Rider]

As everyone has already commented - great job by everyone on site.
That said, she really didn't seem to want to be saved. I wonder what happens now. Her reasons. The aftermath. What were the problems she couldn't overcome. Surely the same problems still exist. Will she try again in a more private setting, assuring success?
I doubt the public will be made aware or that there will be any followup interview telling that everything worked out for the best in the long run.
I pray whatever currently haunts her rests and that she somehow finds peace and competency in resolving her problems.

[McLovin]

I just wanted to say I really appreciated this thread. What Goat said and others contributed. Three years ago I had a major health event. I still think about the strangers who appeared in the time of crisis. Professionals but also other people in crisis, and people who had lived with disability for decades and shared generously of their insights. People are amazing.

[MrGoat]

Originally Posted by McLovin

I just wanted to say I really appreciated this thread. What Goat said and others contributed. Three years ago I had a major health event. I still think about the strangers who appeared in the time of crisis. Professionals but also other people in crisis, and people who had lived with disability for decades and shared generously of their insights. People are amazing.

I agree. I’m glad there was people willing to help you thru your crisis!! Don’t hesitate to PM if you ever need to talk to someone.


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[330ci]

Originally Posted by East Bay Rider

As everyone has already commented - great job by everyone on site.
That said, she really didn't seem to want to be saved. I wonder what happens now. Her reasons. The aftermath. What were the problems she couldn't overcome. Surely the same problems still exist. Will she try again in a more private setting, assuring success?
I doubt the public will be made aware or that there will be any followup interview telling that everything worked out for the best in the long run.
I pray whatever currently haunts her rests and that she somehow finds peace and competency in resolving her problems.

You're basically dragged through hell to ensure you accept the misery of life. And hopefully find a way to eventually enjoy it again. I've been hospitalized for suicide attempts twice. Neither of the times I thought I was going to die though.

First time my mom called for a welfare check the day after my ex and I broke up and I had downed a fifth of vodka and a bottle of pain pills for breakfast, briefly woke up when the police raided my house, then woke up in the hospital, failed my psych evaluation after being medically cleared and was transferred to a psychiatric hospital after my family visited me in the hospital.
At that point I spent a week inside some hell hole being fed psychiatric meds and diagnosed under supervision. Met some interesting characters, and ultimately felt completely humiliated. After having continued disagreements with my psychiatrist there and requesting a new one after filing a patients rights violation complaint. I was discharged almost immediately as a suicide risk to myself.



The inside of psychiatric facilities is not a nice place to reside. It is slightly above jail, but nobody there is going to be sent to jail if they attack you so you're constantly on edge. I felt like a lab rat. Basically just being experimented on with different drugs until they see what works, or slow you down to the point where you can't think for yourself.


Some people go on disability, some end up just homeless or in jail, some have families that try to reach out. Sometimes the person has already been trying to be happy and just have given up hope in the process. And some overcome their traumas and do really well.



For me, seeing my moms face crying on my porch as I was being gurneyed out of my house not knowing if I'm going to die or not definitely gave me the strength to move on and overcome. Self love definitely did not come easy for me, still doesn't most days and unfortunately never comes for alot of people.


After getting out of the hospital and going to rehab I had a really good stretch until I had a manic episode a few years later,that was just awful because had I been sent to a psychiatric hospital instead of jail on some trumped up charges just so that I was no longer a nuisance to society, I could've been helped much better, and quicker. Instead I received no psychiatric help until after I ran head first into the jail cell door because I thought it would take me to a new dimension and subsequently crushed my skull and shattered my t1 vertebrate and woke up in the ICU surrounded by police officers guarding my room. After getting my skull stapled and stitched shut, I was taken back to jail where they proceeded to throw a poncho on me, chain me to my waist, and handcuff each arm to the chain belt. I then had to defecate and piss in a hole in the center of the room. The lights were on 24/7. I wasn't un handcuffed to eat, they only cleaned the cell out in the morning so I pretty much had to try to defecate at night or get stuck with the stench. After being cleared from the padded cell, I got moved to the special housing unit, which is just a block of crazy people. Its pretty unbearable as it houses the worst people in the place. They're screaming to the adjacent blocks the whole time so focusing on anything is damn near impossible, then you have to learn the jail code while simultaneously handling a psychiatric emergency. And at that point if you kill yourself in jail, society doesn't care because you're a criminal. Even though I technically wasn't a criminal at that point as I wasn't found guilty of any crimes.

This post just exemplifies how moronic US emergency response is to me. Like no offense but the Police did fivk all in this situation but show up to take credit. If that box truck wasn't already there what would they have done? Called the fire department like they should have in the first place?

There really needs to be an unnarmed emergency response team for these situations that consists of a specialist from each of the 3 emergency services that can be prepared to respond immediately to non threatening emergencies. Expecting the average officer to deal with these situations is really unfair to the position to be honest. I could see them being there as witness to EMS handling situations that get out of control. But police as primary handlers of psychiatric situations when most people with mental illness have a general distrust of the law to begin with is a recipe for disaster.

[MrGoat]

Originally Posted by 330ci

You're basically dragged through hell to ensure you accept the misery of life. And hopefully find a way to eventually enjoy it again. I've been hospitalized for suicide attempts twice. Neither of the times I thought I was going to die though.

First time my mom called for a welfare check the day after my ex and I broke up and I had downed a fifth of vodka and a bottle of pain pills for breakfast, briefly woke up when the police raided my house, then woke up in the hospital, failed my psych evaluation after being medically cleared and was transferred to a psychiatric hospital after my family visited me in the hospital.
At that point I spent a week inside some hell hole being fed psychiatric meds and diagnosed under supervision. Met some interesting characters, and ultimately felt completely humiliated. After having continued disagreements with my psychiatrist there and requesting a new one after filing a patients rights violation complaint. I was discharged almost immediately as a suicide risk to myself.



The inside of psychiatric facilities is not a nice place to reside. It is slightly above jail, but nobody there is going to be sent to jail if they attack you so you're constantly on edge. I felt like a lab rat. Basically just being experimented on with different drugs until they see what works, or slow you down to the point where you can't think for yourself.


Some people go on disability, some end up just homeless or in jail, some have families that try to reach out. Sometimes the person has already been trying to be happy and just have given up hope in the process. And some overcome their traumas and do really well.



For me, seeing my moms face crying on my porch as I was being gurneyed out of my house not knowing if I'm going to die or not definitely gave me the strength to move on and overcome. Self love definitely did not come easy for me, still doesn't most days and unfortunately never comes for alot of people.


After getting out of the hospital and going to rehab I had a really good stretch until I had a manic episode a few years later,that was just awful because had I been sent to a psychiatric hospital instead of jail on some trumped up charges just so that I was no longer a nuisance to society, I could've been helped much better, and quicker. Instead I received no psychiatric help until after I ran head first into the jail cell door because I thought it would take me to a new dimension and subsequently crushed my skull and shattered my t1 vertebrate and woke up in the ICU surrounded by police officers guarding my room. After getting my skull stapled and stitched shut, I was taken back to jail where they proceeded to throw a poncho on me, chain me to my waist, and handcuff each arm to the chain belt. I then had to defecate and piss in a hole in the center of the room. The lights were on 24/7. I wasn't un handcuffed to eat, they only cleaned the cell out in the morning so I pretty much had to try to defecate at night or get stuck with the stench. After being cleared from the padded cell, I got moved to the special housing unit, which is just a block of crazy people. Its pretty unbearable as it houses the worst people in the place. They're screaming to the adjacent blocks the whole time so focusing on anything is damn near impossible, then you have to learn the jail code while simultaneously handling a psychiatric emergency. And at that point if you kill yourself in jail, society doesn't care because you're a criminal. Even though I technically wasn't a criminal at that point as I wasn't found guilty of any crimes.

This post just exemplifies how moronic US emergency response is to me. Like no offense but the Police did fivk all in this situation but show up to take credit. If that box truck wasn't already there what would they have done? Called the fire department like they should have in the first place?

There really needs to be an unnarmed emergency response team for these situations that consists of a specialist from each of the 3 emergency services that can be prepared to respond immediately to non threatening emergencies. Expecting the average officer to deal with these situations is really unfair to the position to be honest. I could see them being there as witness to EMS handling situations that get out of control. But police as primary handlers of psychiatric situations when most people with mental illness have a general distrust of the law to begin with is a recipe for disaster.

I get it G.

I battled my own mental health issues, though thankfully wasn’t thrown in a psych ward because of it.

I agree we need to have people capable of dealing with mental health issues respond to these sorts of incidents, however, I believe law enforcement has a place there. Many times I’ve read or heard or seen where a officer or civilian has been injured or killed due to someone’s mental crisis.

I realize we may disagree here but, when someone’s dealing with a mental crisis it can go anyway their personality takes them. In my situation my boss at the time told me to come in to work instead of jumping off a bridge when he called me and I told him my plan. I came in to work and they immediately got me counseling. I wasn’t violent, I didn’t want to hurt anyone but myself. Some feel a need to hurt as many others as possible before themselves. That’s why LEO show up and in my opinion should show up. It seems I hear at least maybe twice a week of a hostage situation at a random house within my quad county area. The guy most of the time has a hostage. And most of the time has a mental crisis. If EMS showed up instead of the cops those guys most likely wouldn’t release the hostage and give up for a psych evaluation. Instead they’d probably start shooting up ems for trying to save someone. Then EMS have no back up because in your scenario, they’re all unarmed except the person having the crisis.

There’s others out there that may be thinking everyone is against them and whether it’s LEO or EMS they will start shooting or whatever.

I believe for the most part our law enforcement and other governmental officials tasked with protecting human and animal life (locally) are diligent about their jobs and do it by the book with as much respect and compassion they can

This is just my experience with LEO and YMMV.


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[330ci]

Originally Posted by MrGoat

I agree we need to have people capable of dealing with mental health issues respond to these sorts of incidents, however, I believe law enforcement has a place there. Many times I’ve read or heard or seen where a officer or civilian has been injured or killed due to someone’s mental crisis.

There’s others out there that may be thinking everyone is against them and whether it’s LEO or EMS they will start shooting or whatever.

I believe for the most part our law enforcement and other governmental officials tasked with protecting human and animal life (locally) are diligent about their jobs and do it by the book with as much respect and compassion they can

This is just my experience with LEO and YMMV.


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Had I not regained my sanity back by my court date I would've been locked away in prison for crimes I was not guilty of because that was the only legal way to get me off the street in my time of crisis.

The officers doing a welfare check on me showed up 4 deep in riot gear.

When I was arrested, I was unnarmed, and held at gunpoint.

These guys are afraid of their own shadow alot of times.

I hate being that guy to bash the police as they have an incredibly tough job and they're overly scrutinized in modern society.

But I'd be lying if I said I honestly believed that the American Police force was doing a great job.

I, like you, believe that alot of police are diligent and do their job by the book.

Problem is, the book they're following sucks. Their hands are tied for the most part and the outcome to these situations rarely is positive for the patient who needs help.

I'm not hating on police for not trying, I'm hating on the system for not working. defending broken, inefficient systems and applauding people for mediocrity isn't in my blood.

Having the police handle mental health situations just detracts from the amount of time they have to solve actual crime. Doing stuff with as much "respect and compassion they can" is not the same as being respectful and compassionate when dealing with the situation. The police force was not designed with compassion in mind, the criminal justice system doesn't have much room for it.

No amount of explanation could convince me that the police system is capable of adequately handling mental health issues at this point though. They're doing a poor job, if you really want the statistics on how bad they're doing pulled up I'd be glad to compile a list of data points to scrutinize. I really don't seek to argue though. I understand its a very polarizing issue, and one I cautiously bring up as I certainly do "back the Blue"

But personally, I'm getting a little sick and tired of people defending them because they have a tough job and they're doing the best they can given the circumstances. The police are overworked, having a sub unit dedicated and trained for mental health response would be a step in the right direction. They could then focus more efforts on the social inequalities than seem to be causing a significant amount of civil unrest.

Plenty of other countries have unmentionable ownership and handle mental health crisis with unnarmed professionals with no problems. Everyone is quick to respond with why everything won't work, everyone seems to agree that the mental health crisis is growing out of control, but noone seems to agree that we should be trying a new solution.


Isn't the definition of insanity trying the same thing over and over expecting a different outcome? If so, seems like Orwell called it right when he said the patients would be running the asylum.

FWIW. The US police force is the laughing stock of the entire world at the moment, and has been for atleast the past 10 years. Personally I don't like to exemplify our countries stupidity on a global scale. But we seem to keep doubling down on how great and un corrupt our forces are without doing any real reflection on the problems our society is facing and what is contributing to those problems. I have no problem patting the police on the back when they do well, but similarly have no problem scrutinizing inherent flaws in the system. The US leads the world in incarceration of non violent criminals. That statistic alone is scary, but the further down the rabbit hole you go, the more terrifying it gets. Be thankful you spoke to someone about your issues, and they decided not to Baker act you. Seeking out help is tough enough for most people as it is, having the police deal with these issues further solidifies the opinion to alot of society that this is a criminal issue not a mental health one.

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[Chester01]

This is very cool. Like others I can get down on how things are right now. But that is a very low resolution look, largely moderated by the current media and internet which create the lens we see through, but that is a distorted lens and things like this happen every day, though we do not hear about it. It may be small such as someone getting a cup of coffee with someone who Is homeless to some random person donating an organ. These things do happen, but don’t get the screen time I am afraid. I work in healthcare and see folks going above and beyond each day and volunteers going above and beyond and it’s a day, and not one that makes the news but encouraging to see. The doom and gloom are there to be sure, but so is the humanity. It’s just doom and gloom sells.