Interesting WIS conversation, PP Vs Rolex, Name recognition

[Benzsiam]

Originally Posted by HMHM

LOL! Why are you copying what I wrote almost word for word?
See post #38 for my initial reply.

You should be proud of that.

[GGGMT]

Originally Posted by NachoNeal

Too many weird douchbags into rolex these days. I can't really afford to be into Patek instead of rolex, but I frequently entertain the idea of liquidating my rolex collection and moving to tudor and other less recognizable, but high quality, brands.

BB58 is just sick

Here’s my sterling version.


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[GGGMT]

Originally Posted by GGGMT

BB58 is just sick

Here’s my sterling version.


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[Devildog]

Originally Posted by rolexpatek363

The difference is far from negligible. Patek is to Rolex as Rolex is to Timex.

The retail price deltas suggest otherwise.

I'm using retail deltas as that is where the manufactures of each brand believe their products sit.

Using a steel 5711 and a Sub date as examples, your statement would imply that a Timex Marlin should cost in the region of £3,000

It retails below £200....

[zengineer]

Originally Posted by RyanJ

Why do people continue to compare Rolex to Patek / High Horology pieces? The 2 could not be more different and are in entirely different leagues. It is really silly to even compare.

Patek and other brands like ALS are the upper echelon of high horology and are simply art on the wrist that also happens to be a nice watch.

Rolex is a mass-produced watch that is highly reliable, well designed, affordable luxury (at msrp) when compared to other high horology brands, and has a brand name with very high cache.

Any watch can be a 1 watch that lasts a lifetime. Rolex doesn't have a patent on that experience. Sure, if you are an avid diver and MUST wear a "luxury" timepiece when diving then a watch that can handle that water resistance is a must for you... You could also be an avid diver, wear a dive computer or one of the many digital watches designed specifically for diving, and slap on your Patek when not diving. All depends on the person.

Did you read the OP?

It was just a question about whether someone would choose a Gold Rolex or a Stainless Patek. It wasn't about which company has superior horology. Not everyone wants or likes what Patek offers. Not everyone puts horology above every other attribute.

Nobody called your baby ugly.

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[Ichiran]

Hmm, let me quote OP verbatim:
"How much does the recognizability of a Rolex, as a fine and expensive timepiece, by a non-WIS, influence your love for the brand and buying decision making?"

[csaltphoto]

Originally Posted by Ichiran

Hmm, let me quote OP verbatim:
"How much does the recognizability of a Rolex, as a fine and expensive timepiece, by a non-WIS, influence your love for the brand and buying decision making?"

And my answer would have to be, "Not at all."

I wanted a Rolex Submariner since I was a little kid. When I finally made the decision to buy one I did look at other brands of course to try and learn a bit more about them, what the alternatives might be and so on. I always came back to the sub though for a few reasons. Overall their general reliability seemed to be very good. And I liked their design aesthetic better than the rest.

PP is nice and if I was made of money I might have one but there are few things about the design that just don't appeal to me. I'd be more likely to go with a VC or GP if I was going to go a little fancier. Or a Cartier Santos which is a completely different look but still a congruent design aesthetic that is executed as well as a Rolex (IMHO).

TBH movement finishing is not really a consideration for me. I want accuracy, durability and reliability in a mechanical movement.

[HMHM]

Originally Posted by csaltphoto

And my answer would have to be, "Not at all."

I wanted a Rolex Submariner since I was a little kid. When I finally made the decision to buy one I did look at other brands of course to try and learn a bit more about them, what the alternatives might be and so on. I always came back to the sub though for a few reasons. Overall their general reliability seemed to be very good. And I liked their design aesthetic better than the rest.

PP is nice and if I was made of money I might have one but there are few things about the design that just don't appeal to me. I'd be more likely to go with a VC or GP if I was going to go a little fancier. Or a Cartier Santos which is a completely different look but still a congruent design aesthetic that is executed as well as a Rolex (IMHO).

TBH movement finishing is not really a consideration for me. I want accuracy, durability and reliability in a mechanical movement.

I don’t think both movement finishing and durability/accuracy/reliability are mutually exclusive? Most Patek Philippes have both to a certain extend. It’s just that the main focus of Patek Philippe is the finishing while Rolex is more of a workhorse with some luxury to it. I would say that each of them focus on a different aspect of horology and both can go-exist together in the same space.

I don’t understand why one has to be put the other down in order to justify the superiority of the other, particularly here o TRF.

[Llamathurst]

I have both. Fill a completely different watch niche. Don't really care about the economic utility and barely about the brand recognition.

Besides, if Rolex and Patek are the continuum, Vacheron is the best of both worlds. <stirs pot>

[kanwind]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

Agreed. One is a solid, sturdy timepiece that comes with an industry-standard five-year warranty because they know their products are reliable. It also has reasonable service intervals and fees, plus good service times. Some even offer two different bracelets, get both and enjoy

The other is a Patek.

So now VC give 8 years warranty, and what this mean?

[Shadow Play]

Originally Posted by kanwind

So now VC give 8 years warranty, and what this mean?

As I understand it you have to register to get the extra 6 years of warranty added to the standard 2 years. Nevertheless, to me at least, it shows VC have great confidence in their product.

I can’t understand why any luxury watch brand doesn’t have confidence in their product to provide at least a 5 year warranty. Perhaps they do not have complete confidence in their product and simply rely on their name and historical reputation to sell their product?

Alternatively, perhaps they prefer the extra income that they may get for any watch repair during the 2-5 or 2-8 year period that would otherwise be covered under warranty. Either way, it’s not a great look IMHO.

[sevykor]

Originally Posted by Devildog

Hi Paul

Here's my take on it.

The individual who chose the Patek is a true WIS because he chose a watch watch because of what it was.

The individual who chose the AG Rolex was not, in fact, a true WIS, because he chose a watch because of what it represented.

I've been into watches and Rolex since the early 80's. Back then basically no one knew, or cared about "Rolex" other than probably National Geographic readers or professional divers.

The fact that now my watches are "insta"ntly recognisable to a far, far larger section of the public is very much a negative for me, but then I don't buy anything to impress others.

So I won't say the recognisability weighs in at nothing - because it does. But its a negative.

I couldn’t agree more! I’m proud to say that I too am in this camp too.


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