Robbery Robbed of Rolex Day Date 40 228206 in Southern California

[NachoNeal]

Originally Posted by SDGT3

Lot of assumptions here, least of which you believe him to be a one person operation. Sounds like there's the brains of the operation and the brawn. You're most likely dealing with the brains on the phone and text messages whilst the brains sends a lacky to pick up the watch and takes all the risk of being caught.

Depending on how sophisticated this person may be, he may or may not be monitoring this thread.

Not posting the serial number is certainly curious.

Agreed. And even if OP is a flipper, why not still post the serial number?

[msum]

Condolences to the OP. I hope you get the watch back - and that there is justice.

Thanks, though, for an interesting discussion thread.

[911991]

Originally Posted by Michael T

A pretty racist comment.

I hope the OP has a favorable outcome. I think it is good to share this experience not just to catch the criminal here, but to remind us of the caution towards face to face, and they may not be of lesser risk.

Actually the PC term is just Locks unless your are a Rastafarian....

[Oystersteel92]

Originally Posted by Modiferous

And robbery is a serious crime in California, which is what this robber is guilty of, along with at least one other grand theft grab and run to which he has been tied, so far.

While it's true that in California we don't lock people up for as long periods as some other states, especially for non-violent crime, that also cuts in the other direction - that we give criminals a chance to clear their records and start fresh, which is why when you think about it, this Rolex Robber really has no excuse for what he is doing. The last several years California's legislature has passed unprecedented new laws aimed at expunging and sealing the records of criminals who have stayed out of trouble for long enough, to give them a chance to re-enter productive society without being always dragged down by their past mistakes.

Anyone who has spent that long studying watches, to the point where he is able to rip off a professional watch dealer (one of the other victims, not me), could easily get a job in the watch profession, or even become a legitimate watch dealer in his own right. This guy may think that he has "come up" mightily through ripping off a couple or more of us in the past six months, but really the guy is selling himself short, and in the short or long run, he could really apply himself to doing something that might make him a much better living, without having to worry about how the whole world might be looking to lock him up.

Yes, I'm mad at what this guy did to me, but I think in the long run he's going to hurt himself more than anyone else if he doesn't change his ways.

Well, I feel less sorry for you after hearing your views on crime and punishment. There are an infinitesimal number of "Jean ValJeans" out there and however people arrive at a life of crime they still had choices and to do this to a fellow citizen breaks the code of conduct that we share as a civilized society. To each their own I guess, but it sounds like you're living in the right place.

[Oystersteel92]

Originally Posted by NachoNeal

Agreed. And even if OP is a flipper, why not still post the serial number?

The robber presumably got the box and papers so the OP may not actually have record of it now. From the local news article in the other thread:

San Diego police want to remind sellers to make sure they have a record of the serial item they are selling. That way, if they find themselves in a situation similar to Sammy's, they at least might have a way to track the item if it is stolen. The police are also asking anyone with information related to the crime to contact Crime Stoppers at (888) 580-8477.

[Old Expat Beast]

Originally Posted by Oystersteel92

The robber presumably got the box and papers so the OP may not actually have record of it now. From the local news article in the other thread:

San Diego police want to remind sellers to make sure they have a record of the serial item they are selling. That way, if they find themselves in a situation similar to Sammy's, they at least might have a way to track the item if it is stolen. The police are also asking anyone with information related to the crime to contact Crime Stoppers at (888) 580-8477.

Either way, kinda weird that the OP has consistently ignored the many serial number queries here.

[Llamathurst]

Having been in the market for that specific reference, I saw this guy's ad a few times. If I remember correctly he bought it gray and specifically stated he didn't have papers on it.

[train-time]

Originally Posted by Llamathurst

Having been in the market for that specific reference, I saw this guy's ad a few times. If I remember correctly he bought it gray and specifically stated he didn't have papers on it.

Correct, but it wouldn't surprise me if the seller that he purchased the watch from didn't have a record of the serial number. I believe it was from one of the Trusted Sellers on the forum. I saw one of them (from San Diego) lurking in the thread yesterday. Could be the same one he purchased it from as the OP did reference a subsequent conversation with the dealer he purchased the watch from about always knowing the buyer.

[rlx123]

Originally Posted by myk7000

I got contacted by a person a while back regarding one of my watches on sale with an eerily similar set of details. His name was Jason Lox Bergman according to Chrono24, from Napa California, said he was willing to fly down to SoCal for an in person meeting to do the transaction.

He said he worked in the cannabis industry and he was African American. Nothing shows up under Jason Lox Bergman on Google, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything.

I decided not to go through with it because of some red flag feelings I got during our conversation (we chatted on the phone) and his number was 707-307-4736.

Can't confirm if this is the same guy or not, and bad on me if this was an actual decent person trying to do a deal, but the details here are familiar...

Better to offend someone than losing your watch.


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[rlx123]

Originally Posted by Modiferous

This watch was not insured. I have others that are, but not this one.

The guy put the cannabis industry line out there, because he is involved in it (he reeked of marijuana!), but also because as a con man he knew he couldn't come across, not highly educated and dressed shabbily as he was, as a professional person, so he picked the con that worked best with what he has to work with to try to explain why he could possibly afford such an expensive watch.

There no doubt are successful cannabis industry people, but this guy is obviously not one of them because he has to resort to robbery which has a serious risk of incarceration just to get by. Risking prison and separation from family/child is not a joke.

This guy is beyond worrying about risk of prison or lost of family. One day he will con the wrong person and they will take him out of the gene pool.


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[Calatrava r]

Originally Posted by brandrea

To each their own but I’m with you Brad, I used to insure my watches but grew weary of the premiums.

They add up to much more than “dollars of difference” at least here. The cost to insure a $100,000 collection is roughly $2200 per year. To me, that’s not chump change even if I can “afford a Rolex”.

That’s roughly twice the cost than insuring my home, which is pretty crazy when you think about it.

So for me, I’ll assume the risk of getting robbed of the one that’s on my wrist. The rest are safely stored in the bank vault, and yes, I’m prepared to assume that risk too, should the bank get knocked off and the contents of my box stolen.

Food for thought. Thanks, Brian

[LA_LEC]

Originally Posted by Oystersteel92

Well, I feel less sorry for you after hearing your views on crime and punishment. There are an infinitesimal number of "Jean ValJeans" out there and however people arrive at a life of crime they still had choices and to do this to a fellow citizen breaks the code of conduct that we share as a civilized society. To each their own I guess, but it sounds like you're living in the right place.

Fully agree with that.

I fail to see how anyone can excuse crime and especially a premeditated theft such as this...blows your mind.

This was not a random act and it certainly was not a loaf of bread.

[Duende01]

Originally Posted by Modiferous

Now that we know that this Rolex Robber has targeted many others, and robbed at least two of us, the real lesson is that when something happens, or something is off, people should post about it, to warn others.

Sorry this happened and I hope the perpetrator is caught. Any chance that this low life is using the same telephone number, e-mail address, or even name in other crimes? If so, they might be able to catch him by following his digital footprint, i.e. IP address, or reverse look up thru the different internet or cell phone providers. You know there are some really dumb criminals out there that get embolden by being able to get away with their first criminal actions. Wish you nothing but the best in getting this resolved in a timely fashion.

[7enderbender]

Originally Posted by Oystersteel92

Well, I feel less sorry for you after hearing your views on crime and punishment. There are an infinitesimal number of "Jean ValJeans" out there and however people arrive at a life of crime they still had choices and to do this to a fellow citizen breaks the code of conduct that we share as a civilized society. To each their own I guess, but it sounds like you're living in the right place.

Naïveté is the operating term here. From A-Z. Some people, friends from the North East, Left Coast, and Europe by now consider me a full blown hillbilly. I consider it having grown up and having had a look at reality.
To each their own is right of course. But then again, people will continue to get hurt. Who knows, maybe one of these days karma may even catch up with that thief. And that can be ugly quickly as we all know.
Hope the OP get his watch back and somehow the criminal gets caught and punished. Miracles do exist.

[bin31z]

Maybe provide the footage from security cams?

[garyk]

I sincerely believe in karma and when it catches up to this criminal, it will be a bitch!!!

[HogwldFLTR]

Is this the same watch in the thread below?

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=892779

https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/loc...cpncsqw95ri0y5

[EEpro]

Originally Posted by HogwldFLTR

Is this the same watch in the thread below?

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=892779

https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/loc...cpncsqw95ri0y5

Yes

[Calatrava r]

Originally Posted by HogwldFLTR

Is this the same watch in the thread below?

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=892779

https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/loc...cpncsqw95ri0y5

Thanks for posting these links.

[Calatrava r]

The article said the watch was in a bag which was placed on the counter. Thus, the thief was simply able to grab the bag and run out. I understand the seller thought the doors were locked. I just never do that. I always keep my personal property in hand. If I try a watch on in a store, I never place my watch on the counter tray. I always put my watch in my pocket. I know the store's watches are insured for theft, but if a customer grabs my watch and runs out, I am just out my watch. It wasn't clear, at least to me, that the watch was just placed on a counter in the store and left unattended until I read the news article.

[GB-man]

Never meet in person. Those days are long over. Hope you can recover the watch.

[Vince_76]

Sad to see. Most importantly you have your health.

If I recall correctly, OP noted that they sold the piece at a mask, which was a little surprising, given the market and price point, and a potential red flag

Also, the dude who said you should have been skeptical due to the dreadlocks - extremely ignorant and out of touch.

[garyk]

Originally Posted by Vince_76

Sad to see. Most importantly you have your health.

If I recall correctly, OP noted that they sold the piece at a mask, which was a little surprising, given the market and price point, and a potential red flag

Also, the dude who said you should have been skeptical due to the dreadlocks - extremely ignorant and out of touch.

My wife agrees with that last line and calls me and my friends old dinosaurs….

[MinMay]

Originally Posted by brandrea

To each their own but I’m with you Brad, I used to insure my watches but grew weary of the premiums.

They add up to much more than “dollars of difference” at least here. The cost to insure a $100,000 collection is roughly $2200 per year. To me, that’s not chump change even if I can “afford a Rolex”.

That’s roughly twice the cost than insuring my home, which is pretty crazy when you think about it.

So for me, I’ll assume the risk of getting robbed of the one that’s on my wrist. The rest are safely stored in the bank vault, and yes, I’m prepared to assume that risk too, should the bank get knocked off and the contents of my box stolen.

Exactly. Imagine some of us with $200,000 insurance for $5000 a year. That’s a NEW stainless sport watch every two years for the rest of your life…. I rather get a new watch every other years

I highly recommend storing your watches in different safety deposit, spread it around, and don’t put it all in same location.

Always know your surrounding because we live among the thieves 🥲

[rolexgs]

Originally Posted by bin31z

Maybe provide the footage from security cams?

the robber may be wearing a mask and a sun glasses.

[Renbro]

I am sorry.

[Ellz]

Any news- seems like it all went away? Hope once we can get the word out and authorities know the serial maybe OP can also let Rolex know- can’t imagine he wouldn’t have done that immediately. Good luck OP and please keep us posted :-)

[perf0rmance]

I’m interested in the follow-up too.

[bogardon]

What logical reason is there to not share the serial number? Then again, sellers usually do redact them anyways…

[Old Geezer]

Someone unsuspectingly is going to purchase or maybe already has purchased a stolen platinum Day Date. Someday it may turn up at an RSC somewhere.
Case closed for now. The criminal is working his next theft project with little concern for his freedom. I doubt SDPD is spending resources on this theft given the other crimes occurring on a daily basis.