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ludo · 14 July 2023, 03:54 AM

Years past but I am still looking for a nice 1655 to add.

I'm not particularly fond of the straight hand, and like the freccione to have turned yellow.

I may have found the one from a reputable seller 5.8M 1978, Mk4 dial and Mk3 bezel in my eyes. No B&P.

Case have been polished, but does it look too super sharp to not have been recut ? (seller says no laser welding by him) but do you find it keeps it's thickness and shape as a 1655 should ? Maybe the upper Left lug is thinner?

Second hand as a hairline crack in the tritium, that I may ask him to stabilize prior to shipping, so it does not deteriorate further.
Dial seems clean, with an even patina and almost no tritium loss.

Is there anything I miss on this one that you guys see? vintage is a jungle...

Any help greatly appreciated !

Ludo

Dan S · 14 July 2023, 04:52 AM

Can't be totally sure, but I'm inclined to say that the case (and maybe bezel) has been refinished. The lugs and crown guards are inconsistent IMO. Not necessarily a dealbreaker if the watch appeals to you, and it does look nice.

springer · 14 July 2023, 06:09 AM

The watch has had some professional detailing which is obvious in the photos. Lugs appear to be a little thin which was probably due to some case restoration.

ludo · 14 July 2023, 09:54 PM

Thanks guys !

That concurs with what I saw, I still like the overall package and may go on. tought to find a superb 1655 out there.

TuRo · 15 July 2023, 01:41 AM

Looks ok from those slightly Hubble Telescope photos - all about price... what are they asking pls ?... I believe this is the first buyers market since 2016, so deals to be had even at a specialist dealers...I assessed a Monte Carlo for a pal last week, told him this fact and the dealer accepted £2k less than asking price @ £15,750...that was unheard of 2017-22 imho.

swish77 · 15 July 2023, 02:40 AM

Looks nice overall. Also appears to have the original brushed date wheel, which is always a bonus in my book.

Depends how picky you are about the case, but I've seen worse. I would also encourage you to get a UV photo of the dial/hands, and also of the movement.

What is the asking price?

ludo · 17 July 2023, 02:44 AM

Thanks Guys ! Asking price is 27k€. down from 28.5€, it is not pocket change anymore on these, I guess.

swish77 · 17 July 2023, 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ludo

Thanks Guys ! Asking price is 27k€. down from 28.5€, it is not pocket change anymore on these, I guess.

Sounds high, especially in the current market, which is soft for sellers, in the U.S. anyway.

ludo · 17 July 2023, 03:15 AM

Yes, I'd like it better a bit cheaper. I'll see where this end. Still negociating.

About the DW, sometimes I overlook this things but once you see it, you can't unsee how nice a brushed DW "completes" the package !

Tom1675 · 17 July 2023, 06:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ludo

Yes, I'd like it better a bit cheaper. I'll see where this end. Still negociating.

About the DW, sometimes I overlook this things but once you see it, you can't unsee how nice a brushed DW "completes" the package !

Agreed with the discussion, nothing here is something you're going to stare at every day and regret buying the piece... Get it for a a price you can live with and enjoy!

TuRo · 17 July 2023, 07:26 AM

€27k is v high in my opinion for a loose goose, and closer to full punched paper and accessories price in UK or a mint original MK1 (straight hand) watch only.

Bought few similar to the listing in UK for c £18-19k last year or so, just as a rough comparison.

ludo · 17 July 2023, 10:46 AM

What do you think would be a faire price for this one ?

I probably don’t have the good connexions with the good sellers, but all the b&p that I saw in europe have been offered to me for 46k (SH) and 35k (frog). One MkV no b&p in overall good condition « unpolished » but with a crack in the tritium freccione hand was offered to me at 25.5 firm and I don’t have any creds on the seller. So I gave up. Even the asking prices on forums via watchcharts seems high this days (almost 30k for the latest ads, but maybe wishful thinking)

Are US/uk references prices with all the taxes too as I don’t see why there should be any sensible differences in prices between our locations on those models ?

ludo · 17 July 2023, 10:56 AM

Dollar lost 11% vs Eu during the past 12 months it may have in impact on the EU prices once converted. But in gbp/eur variation is less than 1%.

14 July 2023, 03:54 AM	#1
ludo "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: france Posts: 22	Advice on 1655 Years past but I am still looking for a nice 1655 to add. I'm not particularly fond of the straight hand, and like the freccione to have turned yellow. I may have found the one from a reputable seller 5.8M 1978, Mk4 dial and Mk3 bezel in my eyes. No B&P. Case have been polished, but does it look too super sharp to not have been recut ? (seller says no laser welding by him) but do you find it keeps it's thickness and shape as a 1655 should ? Maybe the upper Left lug is thinner? Second hand as a hairline crack in the tritium, that I may ask him to stabilize prior to shipping, so it does not deteriorate further. Dial seems clean, with an even patina and almost no tritium loss. Is there anything I miss on this one that you guys see? vintage is a jungle... Any help greatly appreciated ! Ludo

14 July 2023, 04:52 AM	#2
Dan S 2025 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 6,577	Can't be totally sure, but I'm inclined to say that the case (and maybe bezel) has been refinished. The lugs and crown guards are inconsistent IMO. Not necessarily a dealbreaker if the watch appeals to you, and it does look nice. __________________ @oldwatchdan on IG

14 July 2023, 06:09 AM	#3
springer 2025 TitaniumYM Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: jP Location: Texas Watch: GMT-MASTER Posts: 17,460	The watch has had some professional detailing which is obvious in the photos. Lugs appear to be a little thin which was probably due to some case restoration. __________________ Member of NAWCC since 1990. INSTAGRAM USER NAME: SPRINGERJFP Visit my Instagram page to view some of the finest vintage GMTs anywhere - as well as other vintage classics.

15 July 2023, 01:41 AM	#5
TuRo "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Real Name: Paul Location: Cantabrigia - G.B Watch: ing the detectives Posts: 2,986	Looks ok from those slightly Hubble Telescope photos - all about price... what are they asking pls ?... I believe this is the first buyers market since 2016, so deals to be had even at a specialist dealers...I assessed a Monte Carlo for a pal last week, told him this fact and the dealer accepted £2k less than asking price @ £15,750...that was unheard of 2017-22 imho. __________________ In Birmingham, they love the governor (boo, boo, boo!) Now we all did what we could do Now Watergate does not bother me, uh-uh Does your conscience bother you? Tell the truth ! Sweet Home Alabama -Lynyrd Skynyrd

17 July 2023, 07:26 AM	#11
TuRo "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Real Name: Paul Location: Cantabrigia - G.B Watch: ing the detectives Posts: 2,986	€27k is v high in my opinion for a loose goose, and closer to full punched paper and accessories price in UK or a mint original MK1 (straight hand) watch only. Bought few similar to the listing in UK for c £18-19k last year or so, just as a rough comparison. __________________ In Birmingham, they love the governor (boo, boo, boo!) Now we all did what we could do Now Watergate does not bother me, uh-uh Does your conscience bother you? Tell the truth ! Sweet Home Alabama -Lynyrd Skynyrd

14 July 2023, 09:54 PM	#4
ludo "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: france Posts: 22	Thanks guys ! That concurs with what I saw, I still like the overall package and may go on. tought to find a superb 1655 out there.

15 July 2023, 02:40 AM	#6
swish77 2025 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Aaron Location: CT/NYC Watch: ing the time! Posts: 7,085	Looks nice overall. Also appears to have the original brushed date wheel, which is always a bonus in my book. Depends how picky you are about the case, but I've seen worse. I would also encourage you to get a UV photo of the dial/hands, and also of the movement. What is the asking price?

17 July 2023, 02:44 AM	#7
ludo "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: france Posts: 22	Thanks Guys ! Asking price is 27k€. down from 28.5€, it is not pocket change anymore on these, I guess.

17 July 2023, 03:15 AM	#9
ludo "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: france Posts: 22	Yes, I'd like it better a bit cheaper. I'll see where this end. Still negociating. About the DW, sometimes I overlook this things but once you see it, you can't unsee how nice a brushed DW "completes" the package !

17 July 2023, 10:46 AM	#12
ludo "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: france Posts: 22	What do you think would be a faire price for this one ? I probably don’t have the good connexions with the good sellers, but all the b&p that I saw in europe have been offered to me for 46k (SH) and 35k (frog). One MkV no b&p in overall good condition « unpolished » but with a crack in the tritium freccione hand was offered to me at 25.5 firm and I don’t have any creds on the seller. So I gave up. Even the asking prices on forums via watchcharts seems high this days (almost 30k for the latest ads, but maybe wishful thinking) Are US/uk references prices with all the taxes too as I don’t see why there should be any sensible differences in prices between our locations on those models ?

17 July 2023, 10:56 AM	#13
ludo "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: france Posts: 22	Dollar lost 11% vs Eu during the past 12 months it may have in impact on the EU prices once converted. But in gbp/eur variation is less than 1%.

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