The Rolex Forums   The Rolex Watch

ROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEX


Go Back   Rolex Forums - Rolex Forum > Rolex & Tudor Watch Topics > Vintage Rolex Discussion

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 26 December 2018, 08:04 AM   #1
Richard Carver
"TRF" Member
 
Richard Carver's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: US
Posts: 2,237
50 year review: 1968 1603 DateJust

1968: The Tet offensive was launched and became the defining event of the Vietnam war. The Chicago riots during the Democratic National Convention showed a country in turmoil and change and in peaceful Switzerland a passionate company of perfectionists produced one of their humblest offerings; this 1603 all steel DateJust.

The 60s and 70s are the most meaningful decades of Rolex for me. These are the years before the quartz revolution and the last years mechanical watches actually mattered. They had achieved the pinnacle of development in cases, movements and models for the times. Never before or since has Rolex been so focused in purpose and function. Mighty PanAm partnered with Rolex to provide precision dual time GMT Masters to pilots, engineers and navigators. Tudor subs graced the wrists of US Navy Seals on harrowing adventures in the muddy waters of Vietnam. COMEX and British MoD trusted Rolex with the lives of their men and the French Marine Nationale relationship with Rolex and Tudor ran from the 50s to the 80s. If lives were at stake Rolex was usually the choice.

So where does our decidedly unwarlike DJ fit into these seminal decades? It and it's DJ brethren were the watches actually creating what became the Rolex legend. They were sold in their millions to men and women whose requirements dictated spending hundreds of dollars on a watch instead of a few bucks on a Timex that could be thrown away and replaced every year. Doctors, nurses, active people whose lifestyles destroyed ordinary watches turned to Rolex out of necessity. Rolex wasn't the semi-religious object it is today, people bought it because of what it could do, not what it was. Rolex had the best advertising available in those decades Everyone knew someone who's uncle Joe had a Rolex on a drilling rig for 10 years or that nurse who gets every disgusting thing a human body can produce on her Rolex everyday and it looks great. The people who owned them were the best salesmen Rolex ever had at a time Rolex was not the overweening behemoth it is today.

The DateJust did it all, it could dive to 165 feet, wash off after an unfortunate diaper change and be elegant in the boardroom all in the same day. People wanted versatility and a watch that could handle what their lives had to offer. Back in those days there was a particular feeling you got when strapping on your first Rolex. Before, you had to always be aware of your watch, take it off to wash your hands, take it off to do something physical, no longer. You had a watch that you could actually forget about. That was a big deal to millions raised on Timex. No Rolex owner ever forgot his first swim with it. :)





Let's get to the star of this show. The 1603 was the most inexpensive of the DateJust models. It is all steel including the engine turned bezel. I believe this watch retailed for 235 dollars in 1968, if someone has more accurate information I'd appreciate it. This watch has come to today in fairly original condition. The serial number indicates manufacture in 1968 but the bracelet is dated 1970 which is consistent with how Rolex were sold then. Rolex sometimes sat around the dealers for years before being sold and bracelets were added at the time of sale. It was simple economics for the dealer, why add a bracelet to a watch in the safe until it was required? Of course, the display watches had bracelets but the ones in the back did not. Also, any Rolex could be purchased on a strap as well.



This watch is in remarkable condition and obviously well cared for over it's long life. The dial is a bit unusual in the coloration of it's gold markers, hands, print and date wheel. The color is quite subtle compared to the bolder gold found on two tone and all gold DJs. It is not a gilt dial but nice to have compared to the usual black with white lettering. The condition of the movement will make any vintage guy smile, it is pristine. It was last serviced in 2015 and every screw looks like it just left the factory, not a single mark. the plate and rotor are perfect. People say an unfinished Rolex movement is ugly and unworthy of a glass case back but to me it is beautiful in it's purposefulness. As always, it was the very best Rolex could make and that is something to see. :)


There's a small joy in having a single malt and watching the balance dance on it's tiny stage as the glow of the lamp lights it. Too much? Never enough I say! :)

Yes, it's been polished but nothing you wouldn't expect on a 50 year old watch. I see a vintage Rolex as it is, not some 50 year old ideal that no longer exists. The case is completely corrosion free and the bracelet is suitably loose and silky. I have other watches but this one has become my daily along with my '91 16570 polar. I'm sure a million sports boys will disagree but until you understand the DJ, you don't understand vintage Rolex.
Richard Carver is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26 December 2018, 08:25 AM   #2
rootbeer7
2024 Pledge Member
 
rootbeer7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: london
Posts: 6,143
Great post and a legend of a watch.
__________________
@imrootbeer7
rootbeer7 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26 December 2018, 09:31 AM   #3
Dan S
2024 Pledge Member
 
Dan S's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2018
Location: Colorado, USA
Posts: 6,259
That's a real classic and a great write-up. I have a silver-dial ref 1603 with a 2,411,xxx serial, so I suppose that's a couple of years later. The engine-turned bezel is my personal favorite DJ.
__________________
@oldwatchdan on IG
Dan S is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26 December 2018, 11:02 AM   #4
Dr.Smellody
"TRF" Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Salem, OR
Posts: 5,390
Entertaining. Thanks.
Dr.Smellody is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26 December 2018, 04:03 PM   #5
Jsol
"TRF" Member
 
Jsol's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2018
Real Name: Joyce
Location: SF and NYC
Watch: GMT, AP, DD,
Posts: 641
The very essence of iconic and yet so under appreciated. Great post.
__________________
IG @crownthewatch
Jsol is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26 December 2018, 04:28 PM   #6
Phrank
2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member
 
Phrank's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Toronto
Watch: ♕
Posts: 2,123
What a great read...thanks!
Phrank is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27 December 2018, 06:02 AM   #7
crowncollection
"TRF" Member
 
crowncollection's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Real Name: David
Location: australia
Posts: 20,215
Totally Agree Richard grwatvpost


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
__________________
watches many
crowncollection is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27 December 2018, 08:23 AM   #8
sensui
2024 Pledge Member
 
sensui's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 12,437
Truly iconic indeed. Thanks for sharing.
sensui is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27 December 2018, 08:58 AM   #9
STEELINOX
2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member
 
STEELINOX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Real Name: Sink-O!
Location: a praire in AZ
Watch: ROLEX-less atm...
Posts: 14,020
Like a present "left, still under the tree" - now opened with a smile, thank you ~ !
__________________

*Positive Waves Baby*
Lug Hole Loyalist / Chamfer Line Inspector
INFORTHE WIN
SUB-MAH-REEEN-ER ~ !
STEELINOX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27 December 2018, 09:36 AM   #10
jdmi32
"TRF" Member
 
jdmi32's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Real Name: Ky
Location: Bay Area, CA
Watch: 16570
Posts: 2,362
Wonderful! This is the kind of stuff that keeps me coming back here.

I have a 1600 from around 1969 and it feels perfect every time I put it on my wrist.
jdmi32 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27 December 2018, 04:20 PM   #11
mineral
"TRF" Member
 
mineral's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 3,670
Totally agreed and my 1601 datejust never fail me and I had great time with this piece




Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
__________________
Watching date changes every midnight
mineral is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27 December 2018, 11:27 PM   #12
lhanddds
Banned
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: USA
Watch: of course
Posts: 8,429
Great write-up Richard. The all SS Datejust was my very first Rolex. I did everything in it and finally wore the jubillee out.
lhanddds is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27 December 2018, 11:38 PM   #13
yannis
"TRF" Member
 
yannis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Real Name: Yannis
Location: Europe
Watch: maniac
Posts: 9,070
Great review and one of the longest ever i guess.
__________________
Rolex Submariner 116610LV | Tudor 79220N



yannis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27 December 2018, 11:42 PM   #14
brandrea
2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member
 
brandrea's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Real Name: Brian (TBone)
Location: canada
Watch: es make me smile
Posts: 77,827
What a great review Richard

Thank you for posting this, you made my day
brandrea is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 27 December 2018, 11:53 PM   #15
roadie1
2024 Pledge Member
 
roadie1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Southeast
Watch: Divers, GMT
Posts: 2,149
I love it! Great review and made me smile.....uh chuckle:)
roadie1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28 December 2018, 12:23 PM   #16
Jwtownse
"TRF" Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Real Name: John
Location: Chicago
Watch: 16234 Datejust
Posts: 33
Thank you! It’s nice to see and ode to a Datejust. Hopefully I can write one about my ‘89 16234 in 20 years!



Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Jwtownse is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28 December 2018, 02:06 PM   #17
77T
2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member
 
77T's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Real Name: PaulG
Location: Georgia
Posts: 41,924
I thoroughly enjoyed the read - lived through the same times - but wearing this Omega from my parents.



Now it has served me well for over 50 years and still does. Wore it to Midnight Mass just days ago.

But I do appreciate the classic lines of a DJ - and though mine is younger - it shares the same visual features.



Thanks for creating a great thread.



Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
__________________


Does anyone really know what time it is?
77T is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29 December 2018, 01:21 AM   #18
TheGRman
"TRF" Member
 
TheGRman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Real Name: Troy
Location: Ames, Iowa
Watch: 1981 AK 5500
Posts: 62
Fantastic write up and photos! Thanks for reminding us what a great watch a vintage DJ is. I wear my late 70's TT DJ 16013 constantly, and everything you wrote is spot on. Thanks again!
TheGRman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29 December 2018, 01:36 AM   #19
datejust24
"TRF" Member
 
datejust24's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Real Name: Chris
Location: Cincinnati,Ohio
Watch: Rolexssss
Posts: 3,504
Awesome review and thanks for sharing. I too have always loved the classic style of the DJ specifically these vintage gems...just picked up an absolutely gorgeous super full set from ‘68 and I’m over the moon with it !!!
datejust24 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29 December 2018, 09:50 AM   #20
Richard Carver
"TRF" Member
 
Richard Carver's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: US
Posts: 2,237
Thank you all for your very kind responses...did I ever tell you about my M. Mouse project? :)

Richard Carver is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29 December 2018, 09:54 AM   #21
STEELINOX
2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member
 
STEELINOX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Real Name: Sink-O!
Location: a praire in AZ
Watch: ROLEX-less atm...
Posts: 14,020
Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Carver View Post
Thank you all for your very kind responses...did I ever tell you about my M. Mouse project? :)

And, no, you did not...
__________________

*Positive Waves Baby*
Lug Hole Loyalist / Chamfer Line Inspector
INFORTHE WIN
SUB-MAH-REEEN-ER ~ !
STEELINOX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24 August 2023, 05:00 AM   #22
djc918@me.com
"TRF" Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2023
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 15
Awesome article it helped me really understand my watch and it’s history
djc918@me.com is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24 August 2023, 05:01 AM   #23
Dan S
2024 Pledge Member
 
Dan S's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2018
Location: Colorado, USA
Posts: 6,259
Almost time for a 55th anniversary update.
__________________
@oldwatchdan on IG
Dan S is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24 August 2023, 07:21 AM   #24
TimeLord2
2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member
 
TimeLord2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Valencia, CA
Watch: GMT Master 1675/3
Posts: 2,186
Really enjoyed that! Thanks for sharing.
TimeLord2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24 August 2023, 10:20 AM   #25
hirsca
2024 Pledge Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2023
Real Name: Al
Location: Dallas, TX
Posts: 13
Great thread. Very informative. A little bit off topic, but I have a 14K 1503 Date with matching Jubilee bracelet. S/N 1528xxx circa 1966. Classic elegance. Eventually when I get the required number of posts, I'll post pictures of it and my circa 1984 16750 Pepsi. Can you figure out that I am also vintage? Thanks, Al
hirsca is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24 August 2023, 11:54 AM   #26
Old Expat Beast
TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron
 
Old Expat Beast's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Real Name: Adam
Location: Far East
Watch: Golden Tuna
Posts: 28,794
My 1603 was sold on the Torrejon USAF Base in Spain in 1968. There's no price on the paperwork but this is basically what the OP's watch would probably have come with, plus an outer box. (The airmail letter is 1970s from the RSC).

The original owner had a quite an interesting military career, which I followed around Europe and the US with the help of Google.

I bought it from a Florida dealer about ten years ago.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg set.jpg (54.6 KB, 171 views)
File Type: jpg 1.jpg (251.8 KB, 170 views)
File Type: jpg 1.1.jpg (272.4 KB, 172 views)
File Type: jpg 2.jpg (254.7 KB, 173 views)
File Type: jpg 4.jpg (195.0 KB, 174 views)
__________________
_______________________
Old Expat Beast is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31 August 2023, 05:22 AM   #27
onetwo127
Banned
 
Join Date: Aug 2023
Real Name: Ray
Location: United States
Watch: Still Dreaming
Posts: 121
Nice! Thanks for sharing.
onetwo127 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31 August 2023, 07:48 AM   #28
GMT Aviator
2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member
 
GMT Aviator's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Real Name: Mike
Location: London
Posts: 3,314
Great post and you nailed it.

The Datejust does it all. A timeless classic.
GMT Aviator is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 3 September 2023, 02:04 AM   #29
mij86
"TRF" Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2020
Location: Uk
Posts: 14
Interesting,thank you, also lovely watch
mij86 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

OCWatches

Asset Appeal

Wrist Aficionado

DavidSW Watches

Takuya Watches

My Watch LLC


*Banners Of The Month*
This space is provided to horological resources.





Copyright ©2004-2024, The Rolex Forums. All Rights Reserved.

ROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEX

Rolex is a registered trademark of ROLEX USA. The Rolex Forums is not affiliated with ROLEX USA in any way.