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Hendri · 15 August 2009, 01:27 PM

just saw my friend rolex explorer 2003 Y series.

i cannot find the crown logo on the crystal ... is it fake ?

please help me to identify it. picture attached.

jms_w · 15 August 2009, 01:55 PM

It looks real to me. No obvious flaws from what I can tell. The only way to really tell now is to open it up and look at the movement.

chriseskew24 · 15 August 2009, 02:02 PM

Looks good to me. Have a AD open her up.

Hendri · 15 August 2009, 02:10 PM

how about the crown logo on crystal ? should it be there ?

greekbum · 15 August 2009, 02:17 PM

Good fakes have all of the hallmarks you are looking for as well.The best way is to take the watch to a Rolex watchmaker and have them examine it and open it up than you will know for sure 100%.The rest is just speculation based on bad pictures

presario · 15 August 2009, 02:20 PM

Are you sure it's from 2003? Dials with "SWISS" only are from the years 1997-1998 with the serials U or A. It's when Rolex was transitioning from Tritium to Luminova markers.

Although it looks good to me, I'm positive it's not an F unless he had the dial replaced with a NOS one. Also, if it's from 1997-1998, the laser etched crown won't be there.

valentine · 15 August 2009, 02:25 PM

Cant be a Y serial. Y serial would have the SOLID END LINK bracelet. The watch pictured does not. The dial would also read "swiss made"....not just "swiss" Now..the "swiss" marking on the dial could indicate that it is an "A" serial watch...which would make more sense considering the bracelet is correct that period (around 1999) if you post a photo of the clasp of the bracelet..the clasp code could reveal the age as well...HOWEVER som service dials were also marked "swiss" and not "swiss made" so it could be a replacement luminova dial on an older serial....which originally had a tritium dial....most likely..Im going to say this is an A serial Explorer II...and it is def. Genuine...the A serial model would NOT have the laser etched coronet.

greekbum · 15 August 2009, 02:27 PM

On the clasp above steelinox is it marked? This info is just to try and date the clasp not the watch.
1997 Z
1998 Z or W
1999 X
2000 AB
2001 DE
2002 DT
2003 AD
2004 CL
2005 MA
2006 OP
2007 EO
Also for the watch have you taken off the band and seen the letter Y?
1998 / 1999 A (from Nov.)
1999 / 2000 A
2000 / 2001 P (from Jan.)
2001 / 2002 K (from Sept.)
2002 / 2003 Y (from Sept.)
2003 / 2004 F (from Sept.)
2004 / 2005 F

Tools · 15 August 2009, 03:22 PM

I agree with my esteemed collegues..

That watch is earlier than 2000......... I would double check the serial number, Are you sure it isn't a T..

valentine · 15 August 2009, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tools

I agree with my esteemed collegues..

That watch is earlier than 2000......... I would double check the serial number, Are you sure it isn't a T..

larry...wouldnt the "swiss" only markings date it to an A serial?

Tools · 15 August 2009, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by valentine

larry...wouldnt the "swiss" only markings date it to an A serial?

T's U's and A's were made during '98 or '99... However, a "Swiss" dial could also have been a service replacement for an earlier watch.. The Non-SEL bracelet would date it to pre 2000.

Rolex is almost always producing more than one serial letter at a time, just like M and V are both being produced now..

ashu2289 · 15 August 2009, 04:03 PM

looks authentic to me

and since it is without SEL probably the 6'o clock coronet might not be there

valentine · 15 August 2009, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tools

T's U's and A's were made during '98 or '99... However, a "Swiss" dial could also have been a service replacement for an earlier watch.. The Non-SEL bracelet would date it to pre 2000.

Rolex is almost always producing more than one serial letter at a time, just like M and V are both being produced now..

thast what I was thinking ...in my original response...i mentioned the service "swiss" dials...its good to know about the U's though...My U GMT is tritium...

valentine · 15 August 2009, 04:33 PM

also..the BIGGEST issue with the fakes..is the hand stacks! they cant get them right. I have seen some come in with correct hand stacks...but they are still off...

Bernard · 15 August 2009, 04:46 PM

The watch look Ok to me but its not a Y based on the band. Solid end links came in with the P series, 2000 to 2001, no lug hole from then on.
hope this helps
cheers benio

15 August 2009, 01:27 PM	#1
Hendri "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Jakarta Posts: 14	My friend explorer , year 2003 F series , fake or not ? just saw my friend rolex explorer 2003 Y series. i cannot find the crown logo on the crystal ... is it fake ? please help me to identify it. picture attached.

15 August 2009, 01:55 PM	#2
jms_w "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: East Coast Watch: 116710LN Posts: 557	It looks real to me. No obvious flaws from what I can tell. The only way to really tell now is to open it up and look at the movement. __________________ 116520\|116610LV\|116710LN\|16613\|16233 244 232.30.42\|3222.80 A2332212 CFX-200\|Riseman\|GW-M5610

15 August 2009, 02:17 PM	#5
greekbum "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Nikos Location: Florida Watch: Rolex GMT 16750 Posts: 8,418	Good fakes have all of the hallmarks you are looking for as well.The best way is to take the watch to a Rolex watchmaker and have them examine it and open it up than you will know for sure 100%.The rest is just speculation based on bad pictures __________________ Follow Me On Instagram @nickgogas Original Owner ROLEX 16750 GMT Daily Wearer For Over 13,000 Days And Counting

15 August 2009, 02:20 PM	#6
presario "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Andrew Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,428	Are you sure it's from 2003? Dials with "SWISS" only are from the years 1997-1998 with the serials U or A. It's when Rolex was transitioning from Tritium to Luminova markers. Although it looks good to me, I'm positive it's not an F unless he had the dial replaced with a NOS one. Also, if it's from 1997-1998, the laser etched crown won't be there. __________________

15 August 2009, 02:27 PM	#8
greekbum "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Nikos Location: Florida Watch: Rolex GMT 16750 Posts: 8,418	On the clasp above steelinox is it marked? This info is just to try and date the clasp not the watch. 1997 Z 1998 Z or W 1999 X 2000 AB 2001 DE 2002 DT 2003 AD 2004 CL 2005 MA 2006 OP 2007 EO Also for the watch have you taken off the band and seen the letter Y? 1998 / 1999 A (from Nov.) 1999 / 2000 A 2000 / 2001 P (from Jan.) 2001 / 2002 K (from Sept.) 2002 / 2003 Y (from Sept.) 2003 / 2004 F (from Sept.) 2004 / 2005 F __________________ Follow Me On Instagram @nickgogas Original Owner ROLEX 16750 GMT Daily Wearer For Over 13,000 Days And Counting

15 August 2009, 02:02 PM	#3
chriseskew24 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Real Name: Christopher Location: fort lauderdale Watch: Bunches Posts: 1,860	Looks good to me. Have a AD open her up.

15 August 2009, 02:10 PM	#4
Hendri "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Jakarta Posts: 14	how about the crown logo on crystal ? should it be there ?

15 August 2009, 02:25 PM	#7
valentine Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Justin Location: Baltimore, MD Watch: TT Diamond DJ Posts: 2,809	Cant be a Y serial. Y serial would have the SOLID END LINK bracelet. The watch pictured does not. The dial would also read "swiss made"....not just "swiss" Now..the "swiss" marking on the dial could indicate that it is an "A" serial watch...which would make more sense considering the bracelet is correct that period (around 1999) if you post a photo of the clasp of the bracelet..the clasp code could reveal the age as well...HOWEVER som service dials were also marked "swiss" and not "swiss made" so it could be a replacement luminova dial on an older serial....which originally had a tritium dial....most likely..Im going to say this is an A serial Explorer II...and it is def. Genuine...the A serial model would NOT have the laser etched coronet.

15 August 2009, 03:22 PM	#9
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,499	I agree with my esteemed collegues.. That watch is earlier than 2000......... I would double check the serial number, Are you sure it isn't a T.. __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

15 August 2009, 04:03 PM	#12
ashu2289 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Ashutosh Location: Rochester NY Watch: Daytonas,SD Posts: 2,342	looks authentic to me and since it is without SEL probably the 6'o clock coronet might not be there __________________ Everything becomes nothing after ROLEX 116520 SS Daytona White Dial 116520 SS Daytona Black Dial 116523 18K&SS Daytona Slate Dial 16600 Sea-Dweller 16710 GMT Master II Pepsi Bezel 16613 18K&SS Submariner Blue Dial 116660 Deepsea Sea-Dweller

15 August 2009, 04:33 PM	#14
valentine Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Justin Location: Baltimore, MD Watch: TT Diamond DJ Posts: 2,809	also..the BIGGEST issue with the fakes..is the hand stacks! they cant get them right. I have seen some come in with correct hand stacks...but they are still off...

15 August 2009, 04:46 PM	#15
Bernard Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Melbourne Watch: Patek ref 2526 Posts: 45	The watch look Ok to me but its not a Y based on the band. Solid end links came in with the P series, 2000 to 2001, no lug hole from then on. hope this helps cheers benio

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