Goodbye to Todays Technology Stuff.

[Krash]

Originally Posted by VictorGMT

The "Down With People" group are the greatest danger. Refusing to acknowledge our outstanding stewardship of Earth.

I agree with this. I never understood the perspective that humanity is somehow secondary to anything else.


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[Dirt]

Originally Posted by Maleg

If it wasn't for social media creating masses of brain dead youth who can't solve problems or communicate solutions, octogenarians like me wouldn't be able to unretire for the third time to solve problems for companies that can't find good staff anymore.

Amen, to that

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by maleg

one of the covid artifacts is the no touch menu. Like you, i would rather a printed menu. But the virtual version is cheap and quickly revised without printing a whole set of menu's. It's lean and efficient. And it sucks.

+1.

[Andad]

I'm a 75 year old, and enjoy my mobile and my Mac and iPod and sat nav in my car but....
One day, maybe not too far away, a Graphite Bomb might be used near any of us.....good luck with your 'phone and any other hi-tech gadget, then!
I of course, being 'old school', will have at least, couple of hundred quid in my wallet.[/QUOTE]

Hopefully you can still find a vendor that accepts cash Steve.

Originally Posted by Speedbird-1

Can you give me ONE example of something good, humans have done for this planet?


If you say, "Netflix", I will find you, and I will k....

Ummm....Foxtel Sports?

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by padi56

There was a large full size mirror with a caption on the bottom it read, you are now looking at the most dangerous animal on this planet, man will destroy the world with his technology.

My sentiments exactly except that some of the tech can genuinely be beneficial.
It's the pursuit of money and by extention profit, that corrupts absolutely everything and inevitably leads to the ruination of all things.
Even medical technological advancements or healthcare where it eventually becomes about the money.

What do i care anyway.
It's beyond help and a product of the human condition and a prime example of what happens when a species goes into overdrive.
I do hear that we are approaching peak population, so i wonder what's in store for our species on the way down the slippery slope.
But i fully expect most of us here will have well and truly left the building by then and very few if any of those that are left will ever have an understanding of, let alone an appreciation of what has been lost of all that was really good or the best of it.

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by Maleg

I, being an older OG, have a box of gold coins (thanks to 330ci for the buying advices) with my stack of greenbacks.

The rabid hordes will come for it.
Good luck hanging onto it and deriving full benefit from it until your last breath.
We come into this world with nothing and go out the same way. It's the nature of things.

[Easy E]

Yet here we are on an Internet forum. Interesting confliction.

[VictorGMT]

Originally Posted by Speedbird-1

Can you give me ONE example of something good, humans have done for this planet?


If you say, "Netflix", I will find you, and I will k....

There is not enough time.

For one, we have populated it and given it a purpose... the support of mankind, the highest level species to exist on Earth to our knowledge, and all the species that are here to support us.

Think of things like forest fires. Up until barely 100 years ago, lightning would strike in Idaho in the dry season and Idaho, Wyoming and Montana would burn down.

All the top soil of the upper midwest would wash into the Gulf of Mexico... until we stopped it.

We've domesticated plant and animal species, improved yields of both everywhere, etc.

The GDP of North America 600 years ago was ZERO. Now it's $30 billion per year.

And "the planet" is a rock with dirt. Our purpose is not to do anything "for" it, we are to be good stewards and USE IT to our benefit in order to thrive!

Again though... the self-hating anti-human crowd will acknowledge none of this, they would love to see it empty. So peaceful

[piratfisk]

Originally Posted by AzPaul

One of the best 'get off my lawn' rants I've read in a while.
As a lifetime member of the 'last to get the latest' club, I welcome you aboard.

Love your response.

I've set my time-suck apps to have a 15min time limit on my iPhone. Life is much better when you look around & talk to someone. The youths are broken. Nearly every day, I watch someone walking on the sidewalk, nose in their phone, cross the street without even looking...

[Romeojk]

I was recently thinking of technology and how amazing it is that boats can get from point a to b with the the GPS and mapping and guidance and planning routes for you and that there would be significantly less boats on the water without it.

And I was thinking similarly for cars and our ability to get around with the GPS mapping and route planning. Back in the day people barely left their local towns because they would otherwise get lost. I guess there would be a lot less drivers and cars out there if they weren't leaving town.

I can't even fathom what it will be like in 30 more years.

Anyway. I have thought about losing the technology and what would happen. I've been taking some navigation classes and using paper charts to plot my location based on landmarks heading and speed. I'll tell you, it's near impossible to do on your own, never mind using the sun and a sextant to take reading in open ocean away from land. God bless the teams of people who navigated the oceans and skies back in the day. You must've really had to be focused and on your game to be successful.


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[Krash]

Originally Posted by Romeojk

I was recently thinking of technology and how amazing it is that boats can get from point a to b with the the GPS and mapping and guidance and planning routes for you and that there would be significantly less boats on the water without it.

And I was thinking similarly for cars and our ability to get around with the GPS mapping and route planning. Back in the day people barely left their local towns because they would otherwise get lost. I guess there would be a lot less drivers and cars out there if they weren't leaving town.

I can't even fathom what it will be like in 30 more years.

Anyway. I have thought about losing the technology and what would happen. I've been taking some navigation classes and using paper charts to plot my location based on landmarks heading and speed. I'll tell you, it's near impossible to do on your own, never mind using the sun and a sextant to take reading in open ocean away from land. God bless the teams of people who navigated the oceans and skies back in the day. You must've really had to be focused and on your game to be successful.


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GPS is amazing. I often think of my Dad when I use GPS. He would have been amazed.


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[padi56]

Originally Posted by Romeojk

I was recently thinking of technology and how amazing it is that boats can get from point a to b with the the GPS and mapping and guidance and planning routes for you and that there would be significantly less boats on the water without it.

And I was thinking similarly for cars and our ability to get around with the GPS mapping and route planning. Back in the day people barely left their local towns because they would otherwise get lost. I guess there would be a lot less drivers and cars out there if they weren't leaving town.

I can't even fathom what it will be like in 30 more years.

Anyway. I have thought about losing the technology and what would happen. I've been taking some navigation classes and using paper charts to plot my location based on landmarks heading and speed. I'll tell you, it's near impossible to do on your own, never mind using the sun and a sextant to take reading in open ocean away from land. God bless the teams of people who navigated the oceans and skies back in the day. You must've really had to be focused and on your game to be successful.


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Yes technology is great until it fails things like mobile phones even GPS,can fail. Myself as posted previous a amateur radio operator and worked most countries world wide plus all states in USA.But in the early part of the twentieth century when Guglielmo Marconi, the grandfather of amateur radio was experimenting with wireless communications in Italy, pioneering experiments with wireless were also taking place here in Wales. Working from his shed at The Mill in Gelligroes a young guy called Arthur Moore was conducting his own experiments with wireless telegraphy. Young Artie (his nickname) was inspired to experiment with wireless after winning a book as first prize in a national model engineering competition for his model of horizontal steam engine. The book was entitled “Modern Views on Electricity and Magnetism” and was written by Oliver Lodge, a leading British light then on the new wave of wireless communication.

He was the eldest son of the local miller, Artie Moore was employed at the local coal colliery. Here he struck up a friendship with the colliery’s electrical engineer Richard Jenkins and together they began to experiment with the ideas presented in Lodge’s book. They were successful in constructing a spark-gap transmitter and a coherer receiver (the earliest form of radio wave detector) and after teaching themselves Morse code they were able to communicate between their homes, Artie at The Mill and Richard at Ty-Llewed Farm some miles away. Using just a long wire antennas Artie received the first message asking him to convey to the mill that the farm needed grain.

As Artie’s construction skills improved he was able to build more sensitive equipment and soon began receiving world news regularly, which he reported to the local population at least two days before it appeared in the national press. At 24 years of age on 14th of April 1912 Artie received the faint signal of a ship in distress. The signal read: “CQD SOS 11.50pm from (MGY) (Titanic's code name,) we have struck an iceberg sinking fast come to our assistance position lat 41.46 north Lon 50.14 west MGY”. This was the distress call of the unsinkable Titanic! The call continued: “Sinking we are putting passengers off in small boats weather clear.” Artie reported this to the locals who did not believe his incredible news that the unsinkable Titanic had perished, two days later they received confirmation of this terrible event through the national press and Artie achieved considerable notoriety as a result. And he had the message correct word for word, the Titanic after sending several distress calls,they started to use the new SOS call ...---... One newspaper reported: “A Young boy from the valleys of South Wales has witnessed through the modern invention of wireless the death of a famous ship thousands of miles away.”

Due to his pioneering work as an amateur, Artie came to the notice of local Education Committee who offered him a scholarship to the British School of Telegraphy in London. Soon after this in the last few months of 1912 Artie was invited to join the Marconi Wireless Telegraphy Company as a draughtsman. At the outbreak of war in 1914 Artie left Marconi to take up a position as a wireless technician with the Admiralty where he was responsible for designing wireless equipment for Britain’s warships. Artie stayed with the Admiralty after war ended in 1918, and as assistant to Captain H. J. Round was instrumental in developing the thermionic valve, without which advancements in radio and electronics would not have been possible.

Artie Moore died in 1948 after seeing two world wars and contributing considerably to the advancement of radio (remnants of his amateur station can be seen at The Mill at Gelligreos.

Thanks to GW6GWB, 2W0ZAE, MW0ZAE,MC0YAD.
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[Romeojk]

Originally Posted by padi56

Yes technology is great until it fails things like mobile phones even GPS,can fail. Myself as posted previous a amateur radio operator and worked most countries world wide plus all states in USA.But in the early part of the twentieth century when Guglielmo Marconi, the grandfather of amateur radio was experimenting with wireless communications in Italy, pioneering experiments with wireless were also taking place here in Wales. Working from his shed at The Mill in Gelligroes a young guy called Arthur Moore was conducting his own experiments with wireless telegraphy. Young Artie (his nickname) was inspired to experiment with wireless after winning a book as first prize in a national model engineering competition for his model of horizontal steam engine. The book was entitled “Modern Views on Electricity and Magnetism” and was written by Oliver Lodge, a leading British light then on the new wave of wireless communication.

He was the eldest son of the local miller, Artie Moore was employed at the local coal colliery. Here he struck up a friendship with the colliery’s electrical engineer Richard Jenkins and together they began to experiment with the ideas presented in Lodge’s book. They were successful in constructing a spark-gap transmitter and a coherer receiver (the earliest form of radio wave detector) and after teaching themselves Morse code they were able to communicate between their homes, Artie at The Mill and Richard at Ty-Llewed Farm some miles away. Using just a long wire antennas Artie received the first message asking him to convey to the mill that the farm needed grain.

As Artie’s construction skills improved he was able to build more sensitive equipment and soon began receiving world news regularly, which he reported to the local population at least two days before it appeared in the national press. At 24 years of age on 14th of April 1912 Artie received the faint signal of a ship in distress. The signal read: “CQD SOS 11.50pm from (MGY) (Titanic's code name,) we have struck an iceberg sinking fast come to our assistance position lat 41.46 north Lon 50.14 west MGY”. This was the distress call of the unsinkable Titanic! The call continued: “Sinking we are putting passengers off in small boats weather clear.” Artie reported this to the locals who did not believe his incredible news that the unsinkable Titanic had perished, two days later they received confirmation of this terrible event through the national press and Artie achieved considerable notoriety as a result. And he had the message correct word for word, the Titanic after sending several distress calls,they started to use the new SOS call ...---... One newspaper reported: “A Young boy from the valleys of South Wales has witnessed through the modern invention of wireless the death of a famous ship thousands of miles away.”

Due to his pioneering work as an amateur, Artie came to the notice of local Education Committee who offered him a scholarship to the British School of Telegraphy in London. Soon after this in the last few months of 1912 Artie was invited to join the Marconi Wireless Telegraphy Company as a draughtsman. At the outbreak of war in 1914 Artie left Marconi to take up a position as a wireless technician with the Admiralty where he was responsible for designing wireless equipment for Britain’s warships. Artie stayed with the Admiralty after war ended in 1918, and as assistant to Captain H. J. Round was instrumental in developing the thermionic valve, without which advancements in radio and electronics would not have been possible.

Artie Moore died in 1948 after seeing two world wars and contributing considerably to the advancement of radio (remnants of his amateur station can be seen at The Mill at Gelligreos.

Thanks to GW6GWB, 2W0ZAE, MW0ZAE,MC0YAD.
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I love this story and perhaps I read it here in the forum or perhaps elsewhere, but it certainly should be a book or movie (Oops, technology here haha). If there is perhaps a good fiction book that covers a lot of this pretty good, please pass on the name and author, or even perhaps a good non fiction version as well.

Also Peter, I too yearn for the days of sitting and relaxing and reading a book. I'm really on the cusp of it myself. I'm currently in this technology phase of my relaxing where I watch movies or series on the idiot box and scroll through endless stories on social media sites. I feel as though I'm about to graduate from my minor league status of relaxing to the pros where a good book and perhaps a drink (or no drink) and a relaxing chair with a good view is enough. And that view my be my peaceful living room area or perhaps a chair outside in the yard. I guess what I'm trying to say, and I've never been one to say something quickly and easily, so my apologies for that, is that I really enjoy your vibe and where you are going and I'm in. Sign me up, I'm ready.

Peter, I thoroughly enjoy your writing style. Have you written any fiction before? If so please point me to it. And if not, a lot of what you said would make enjoyable articles to read to read in any major publication. I just want to say thank you for sharing that.


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[CaptT]

Originally Posted by Easy E

Yet here we are on an Internet forum. Interesting confliction.

Ha, I know, right? Admiring little technical timekeeping marvels, or radio communication technology advancements, connected worldwide via a modern wireless infrastructure, etc.

No doubt though we’re all a little better off when we put the phone down, step away from our screens, and appreciate the natural world around us. Where one can actually bark at clouds! 🤣

[77T]

Thanks for that background story on Arthur Moore.

Had Artie harbored some of the sentiments I have read in this thread:
1) He would not have patented an early form of sonar in 1922...
2) Which was instrumental during WWII...
3) That helped Allied ships avoid U-boats in the North Atlantic

Just sayin'...


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[padi56]

Originally Posted by 77T

Thanks for that background story on Arthur Moore.

Had Artie harbored some of the sentiments I have read in this thread:
1) He would not have patented an early form of sonar in 1922...
2) Which was instrumental during WWII...
3) That helped Allied ships avoid U-boats in the North Atlantic

Just sayin'...


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Many years ago my radio club used to transmit annually from the mill where Artie made his first radio transmissions And at my home radio station one early morning at 6.15am I heard a mayday call on 20M followed by SOS in CW {morse code}.Well I answered the call he was quite a weak signal it was a motor vessel that had engine and steering failure with 5 on board.His ship to shore radio had failed and no signal on his cell but was a amateur and had a small mobile transceiver on board as a back up. He gave me his coordinates which I checked twice to make sure I wrote it down correct both with voice and morse, he was drifting in very high seas around 20 miles off lands end. I rang the coast guard on my land line gave them all the details and what frequency he was on and time etc. Several hours later I had a phone call from coastguard all on board safe and well and boat on tow back to shore. This guy and family lived on St Mary's Scilly Isles but he got into serious trouble on his way to Penzance Cornwall about 15 nautical miles from St Mary's and quite dangerous sea in that area. They were on a trip and going to stay with his family for Christmas in Penzance. He told me a few days later by phone that his daughter had a fall on board and hit her head and apparently she had a damaged blood vessel that have caused a small bleed into the brain, a subdural haemorrhage ? and has had a operation to relieve the blood clot pressure. And the op went well and is now fully responding to treatment but expected to be in hospital for a few weeks. Apparently Barry rung my club chairman after finding our club web site and my instructor registration and call sign on the RSGB site to get my contact details so saved a few lives that day thanks to my radio.

[Maleg]

Originally Posted by Dirt

The rabid hordes will come for it.
Good luck hanging onto it and deriving full benefit from it until your last breath.
We come into this world with nothing and go out the same way. It's the nature of things.

I worked in east Africa and the Sudan for many years, where people will come for anything of value. I do not fear the rabid hoards of American soccor moms and social media addicts seeking my treasure. And more likely, they will be seeking cell phone chargers, not gold bullion.

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by Easy E

Yet here we are on an Internet forum. Interesting confliction.

Agreed.

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by Maleg

I worked in east Africa and the Sudan for many years, where people will come for anything of value. I do not fear the rabid hoards of American soccor moms and social media addicts seeking my treasure. And more likely, they will be seeking cell phone chargers, not gold bullion.

I worked in the middle east for a while.
Yes they will come for anything of value.
Of course, items that are of value can vary but i imagine precious metals will always hold the most value just as they have for thousands of years.
Over there they had a saying. If someone steals a flower out of a garden in plain sight, everybody knows all about it but if someone steals a cow, nobody knows or sees anything.
Ali Barbers are everywhere.

Even lowly old copper has retained value over the long term as it's hard to trace once the insulation is burnt or stripped off it to be sold as scrap and people will go to extra ordinary lengths to steal it. I saw an article just yesterday where they estimate an efficient copper thief in this country could be on as much as $1000 an hour when working

[Maleg]

Originally Posted by Romeojk

I was recently thinking of technology and how amazing it is that boats can get from point a to b with the the GPS and mapping and guidance and planning routes for you and that there would be significantly less boats on the water without it.

And I was thinking similarly for cars and our ability to get around with the GPS mapping and route planning. Back in the day people barely left their local towns because they would otherwise get lost. I guess there would be a lot less drivers and cars out there if they weren't leaving town.

I can't even fathom what it will be like in 30 more years.

Anyway. I have thought about losing the technology and what would happen. I've been taking some navigation classes and using paper charts to plot my location based on landmarks heading and speed. I'll tell you, it's near impossible to do on your own, never mind using the sun and a sextant to take reading in open ocean away from land. God bless the teams of people who navigated the oceans and skies back in the day. You must've really had to be focused and on your game to be successful.


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It's not that hard, really. The Navy used to teach boy midshipmen to do it at the ripe old age of fourteen. The hard part is to regain the faculties to think for yourself, without reaching for a device to think for you.

I've used celestial navigation in aviation for years. I learned 60 years ago and it's a useful skill to this day. My GPS is awesome, but knowing how to navigate with charts and darts trains your mind to think about the route, not just to type figures into a navigation aid.

[Krash]

I stumbled across this and thought it was germane to this thread. ChatGPT is now outperforming doctors when it comes to medical diagnoses.
https://www.livenowfox.com/news/chat...iagnoses-study

It was inevitable, and ChatGPT is only going to improve going forward. You can count on it.

I hesitate to use the term AI because the reality is that nobody has achieved real artificial intelligence yet. Unfortunately, AI has become a generic marketing term nowadays that is incorrectly used to describe any software with advanced capabilities. They’re still far away (maybe decades) from AGI, ASI, and self aware machines.


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[Speedbird-1]

Interestingly, I notice more and more, just lately, that I am asked, by my electronic devices, if I, am a Robot.

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by Krash

I stumbled across this and thought it was germane to this thread. ChatGPT is now outperforming doctors when it comes to medical diagnoses.
https://www.livenowfox.com/news/chat...iagnoses-study

It was inevitable, and ChatGPT is only going to improve going forward. You can count on it.

I hesitate to use the term AI because the reality is that nobody has achieved real artificial intelligence yet. Unfortunately, AI has become a generic marketing term nowadays that is incorrectly used to describe any software with advanced capabilities. They’re still far away (maybe decades) from AGI, ASI, and self aware machines.


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This
My wife and i are currently on a trial to gather data for AI detection of skin cancer.
There's one more year of the trail to go and all it can seemingly do at this stage is identify the bleeding obvious.
They send a pic of suspect spots and tell you to go and have them checked by our prefered practicioner.
Two days ago i had my very first suspected Melanoma cut out of the middle of my back by our main man who doesn't seem to miss a thing.
He picked up the very slightest change in a freckle but the histology of the biopsy was inconclusive as to whether it was indeed a Melanoma. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't but it was treated as a worst case scenario regardless.
He said that twenty years ago it may well have been missed and quite possibly progressed to a stage one or worse without detection.
Histology has improved along with everything else but the AI thing is a very long way off from the expert human eye.
I think when all the experienced practicioners have faded away we will be left with the younger ones that will rely solely on what their AI machines tell them and basically unskilled but highly qualified.
Win, lose or draw.

[padi56]

Originally Posted by Speedbird-1

Interestingly, I notice more and more, just lately, that I am asked, by my electronic devices, if I, am a Robot.

Many years ago I had to make a working transceiver for my intermediate licence afraid back them my soldering was not the best. But with this home made CW transceiver managed to send a signal over 2000 miles it was received by another Ham and we had a little chat via morse code.

[77T]

Originally Posted by padi56

Many years ago I had to make a working transceiver for my intermediate licence afraid back them my soldering was not the best. But with this home made CW transceiver managed to send a signal over 2000 miles it was received by another Ham and we had a little chat via morse code.

Was that a 10 meter crystal-controlled homebrew rig?

It reminds me of my 1960 crystal receiver work. My soldering was only a tad better because of a bench in the basement with several tools of the treads.

Dad had been a longtime ham radio engineer building his first rig in the 1920's.


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[padi56]

Originally Posted by 77T

Was that a 10 meter crystal-controlled homebrew rig?

It reminds me of my 1960 crystal receiver work. My soldering was only a tad better because of a bench in the basement with several tools of the treads.

Dad had been a longtime ham radio engineer building his first rig in the 1920's.


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Very similar but on 30m which is used mainly as a CW Ham band .

[77T]

Ah yes, skip would have been more friendly on 30m.

I fondly recall our US Field Days in the Summertime. I always liked logging for the 40m station because of the European QSOs.

48 hours of almost no sleep, out in a park or the woods, in simulated emergency status, generators humming, and the smell of ozone, Bakelite bases, Rubber insulation wafting up from the final amp tubes warming the night air in the tents. Ah...nostalgia.

The FCC & ARRL coordinated that here. Was England also coordinated similarly?


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[padi56]

My favourite band was 20m but used 12m15m17m a lot but back then 6m and 10m when skip was high they were good But 40m 80m 160m bands used occasionally mainly because of antenna at home QTH.

[Paul C]

Originally Posted by Dirt

This
My wife and i are currently on a trial to gather data for AI detection of skin cancer.
There's one more year of the trail to go and all it can seemingly do at this stage is identify the bleeding obvious.
They send a pic of suspect spots and tell you to go and have them checked by our prefered practicioner.
Two days ago i had my very first suspected Melanoma cut out of the middle of my back by our main man who doesn't seem to miss a thing.
He picked up the very slightest change in a freckle but the histology of the biopsy was inconclusive as to whether it was indeed a Melanoma. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't but it was treated as a worst case scenario regardless.
He said that twenty years ago it may well have been missed and quite possibly progressed to a stage one or worse without detection.
Histology has improved along with everything else but the AI thing is a very long way off from the expert human eye.
I think when all the experienced practicioners have faded away we will be left with the younger ones that will rely solely on what their AI machines tell them and basically unskilled but highly qualified.
Win, lose or draw.

[Speedbird-1]

Originally Posted by VictorGMT

There is not enough time.

For one, we have populated it and given it a purpose... the support of mankind, the highest level species to exist on Earth to our knowledge, and all the species that are here to support us.

Think of things like forest fires. Up until barely 100 years ago, lightning would strike in Idaho in the dry season and Idaho, Wyoming and Montana would burn down.

All the top soil of the upper midwest would wash into the Gulf of Mexico... until we stopped it.

We've domesticated plant and animal species, improved yields of both everywhere, etc.

The GDP of North America 600 years ago was ZERO. Now it's $30 billion per year.

And "the planet" is a rock with dirt. Our purpose is not to do anything "for" it, we are to be good stewards and USE IT to our benefit in order to thrive!

Again though... the self-hating anti-human crowd will acknowledge none of this, they would love to see it empty. So peaceful

Were marvelous aren't we. Good stewards? hahaha