32xx Movement Question

[Lane123]

With the newer 32xx movements is positional variance in timekeeping still noticeable? I’ve noticed that my 3235 which was serviced less than a month ago gains 5 seconds within 24 hours when left dial up and loses 2 seconds within 24 hours when left crown up. I can self regulate the watch and keep it close to perfect by alternating how I store the watch at night, but is this normal?

[Tools]

All mechanical movements are going to be affected by external forces: gravity, temperature, movement. The faster beat movements have a less noticeable variance than early slower-beat movements.

This is why movements are still timed in 5 positions and set for best average.

[saxo3]

Yes, all normal. If you want to find out more for your 32xx, you have to measure the amplitudes in 5 positions using a timegrapher.

[the dark knight]

Yes it's normal, but I am surprised your watch gains 5 seconds/24 hours dial up. I haven't had a single 32xx watch gain that much, I actually would personally consider that a good thing.

[77T]

With Rolex's new +/-2 mantra the behavior of +5 dial-up would not be the "new normal".

The OP's accuracy is normal to me, and variations by position is just like Larry (Tools) said - a function of physics.

Plus the OP's experience is COSC normal...
...but 32xx expectations have been reset by the new Rolex mantra that is pure marketing psychobabble.


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[Lane123]

Appreciate all the info from everyone! I’ve noticed because I normally wear it 12 hours a day it will gain 2.5 seconds overnight and then lose a second while wearing it which puts me at 1.5+ for the day. Just found it odd to see such a drastic difference, my previous 3135 had variation as well but it was less noticeable, roughly 1+ per day dial up and -1 crown up. Is it worth having them regulate my 3235 or would you recommend leaving it alone?

[brandrea]

Personally, I’d leave it alone

[saxo3]

Your watch keeps perfect time with day/night compensation, so leave it and get a meter to measure the 3235 amplitudes (and rates) in 5 positions.

[Lane123]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Your watch keeps perfect time with day/night compensation, so leave it and get a meter to measure the 3235 amplitudes (and rates) in 5 positions.

Seems like the 3235 amplitude issue complaints have died down a bit, Ide imagine Rolex implemented a fix by now, will definitely be monitoring this regardless though.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Lane123

Seems like the 3235 amplitude issue complaints have died down a bit, Ide imagine Rolex implemented a fix by now, will definitely be monitoring this regardless though.

How old is your watch and why it was serviced about 5 months ago?

[Lane123]

Originally Posted by saxo3

How old is your watch and why it was serviced about 5 months ago?

Watch is from late 2021 but was purchased as a CPO, was serviced by RSC shortly before I bought it.

[Lane123]

Had it crown up last night for 12 hours and lost 4 seconds, watch was +4 at the time so it brought me to dead even. Still though, if left alone that would be -8 for 24 hours. Perhaps power reserve was running low by that time. Thing just seems all over the place compared to my 3135s.

[Lane123]

Originally Posted by Lane123

With the newer 32xx movements is positional variance in timekeeping still noticeable? I’ve noticed that my 3235 which was serviced less than a month ago gains 5 seconds within 24 hours when left dial up and loses 2 seconds within 24 hours when left crown up. I can self regulate the watch and keep it close to perfect by alternating how I store the watch at night, but is this normal?

Oddly enough though, times basically dead on when the watch is worn. A large majority of the day to variation happens when the watch is off wrist.

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by Lane123

Oddly enough though, times basically dead on when the watch is worn. A large majority of the day to variation happens when the watch is off wrist.

I wouldn't be inclined to overthink this one.
It's pretty much a given that no two movements behave in an identical manner. Let alone comparing 32xx with 31xx movments where the 31xx movements may be operating in the very upper range of their capabilities and the 32xx at the bottom of the acceptable range.
As you say, the timekeeping on the wrist is good so practically speaking you are in a good place.
Only readings from a Timegrapher can help delve deeper in order to trigger a possible movement service if it's under warranty should it be out of spec.

Personally i would live with its "on wrist" performance and press on regardless and enjoy until something changes profoundly.
Besides. The watch may be serviced and be running to spec and end up not being so good on the wrist.
One has to pick the battles sometimes
Enjoy.

[gIzzE]

Rather than start a new thread I will jump on this one if the OP doesn't mind?


My 2019 Datejust has suddenly started loosing time when being worn. Pretty rapidly too, minutes a day.

I had bought some new speakers and wondered if I had magnetised it, so bought a cheap Chinese demagnetiser and followed a few videos.
Not sure if it has demagetised it or if it even was.


I took it off Friday lunch as it was still losing time and set the time with clocktab, more that I was just interested to see if the power reserve.
I have just picked it up, midday Sunday, and it has gained 2 seconds over the last 48 hours.


I thought great and put it back on, within an hour it is now 2 minutes slow.



Any ideas?

Just need a service?

Could it be magnetised?

Is something damaged?

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by gIzzE

Any ideas?

Yes, read post #3, skip the first sentence.

[gIzzE]

Thanks.

But I know it reads differently depending on position.

But I guess what I am asking is, if it is keeping perfect time while not being worn, but then is losing serious time as soon as you put it on, what could be the cause?


Could it be magnetised or am I clutching at straws?

[Easy E]

All of my 32s that have had the issue all demonstrate worse timekeeping in the vertical positions 3up, 6up, 9up. Without actual data it is only speculation as to the specific issue with your watch. Your watch is not magnetized or it would be off in all positions, I would think.

[gIzzE]

Thanks for the reply.

It is weird, 3 up it lost 2 seconds over 48 hours.

I just looked again, I left it lying flat and after 17 hours it has lost 1 second. That could be user error setting it though.

I will put it on and check it again.

[gIzzE]

So, set at 12.27pm and after 1h30mins on the wrist it is now 1 minute 40 seconds slow.


I guess I will just send it off for repair.


I wonder if it is the oil issue I have been reading about on 32xx movements?


Thanks all anyway and have a great Xmas.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by gIzzE

So, set at 12.27pm and after 1h30mins on the wrist it is now 1 minute 40 seconds slow.

I have collected a lot of data, but I have never seen a 32xx movement that lost 100 s in 1.5 h. That is 1600 s/d. Your 32xx watch caliber is sick, very sick.
Your 2019 Datejust is no longer under Rolex guarantee?

[gIzzE]

No, it is almost a year out of warranty now.

I will get it sent off in the New Year.

I wear it all the time, so may have knocked it or something.

[502 to Right]

Originally Posted by gIzzE

No, it is almost a year out of warranty now.

I will get it sent off in the New Year.

I wear it all the time, so may have knocked it or something.

This sounds like the low amplitude 32XX problem. It sucks that it appears to have happened after the warranty ran out. My 3235 began losing significant time 1 year after purchased new so I was able to get it fixed under warranty.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by 502 to Right

This sounds like the low amplitude 32XX problem.

Yes, it is.

Originally Posted by 502 to Right

It sucks that it appears to have happened after the warranty ran out.

No, it started some years earlier but was not identified by the owner.

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by gIzzE

I wear it all the time, so may have knocked it or something.

That can certainly happen.
Good luck with it

I dropped my watch off the top of my car in my haste and it landed heavily which resulted in more visible damage than it had accumulated over the last 13 years of a hard life as a daily wearer.
I'll be blowed if the thing is currently running as good as it was at the beginning of last year when it came back from service. I must have got lucky

[watch photographer]

If it was me I’d give it a year or two before getting it regulated again and consider a independent watch maker as they can show a bit more love and passion if you tell them what is importance to you. And don’t forget historical accurate watches like the iwc MK11 would be considered rubbish now and a £20 Casio is way more accurate then any mechanical watch. If you enjoy knowing the accuracy to that level carry on but please don’t let it take away from the enjoyment of your watch