Who here owns a Cybertruck?

[Maleg]

Originally Posted by Cru Jones

I think it’s a question of changing habits…. With an EV, one leaves one’s house always at full (and after a cheap fill-up at home). For regular day to day, one never needs to go to a service station, as one can “fill up” again at home (saving time and money). If one needs to charge during a long drive away from home, most new EVs go from 10% to 80% in 20-25 minutes. Yes, a bit longer than filling a gas tank, but after 300 miles, maybe a 20-minute break to grab a coffee or go the restrooms doesn’t hurt (and one probably does that anyway with a gas-powered car…. But instead of just plugging in and going to the rest area, one has to first stand at the car and fill it with gas and likely get dirty/smelly hands).

We have an EV. It costs about the same to charge it per month as the gas in our Prius. There is no cost advantage for an EV when compared to a car with good fuel economy. And the Prius takes two minutes to fuel to 100%. Less time than it takes to use the restroom. I don't see a comparative advantage for an EV to have to wait 20 minutes for 80% capacity.

Originally Posted by pickettt

Yep, I hate to say it like this, but a person who has never owned one has an invalid opinion on the matter. I can say with 100% certainty that ICE car owners spend more time at the pump than I spend at charging stations. That being said, EVs are not for everyone. Should you be forced to switch over? Absolutely not. Should you form a negative opinion about them because they're not for you? Absolutely not. But getting back to the Cybertruck, if you hate it, don't buy it. No need to get your blood pressure up.

We don't spend any time at charging stations. The Toyota EV isn't designed to be too far from home and we only charge it Level 1 in our garage. But other people don't have the luxury of home charging. If you've charged your EV one time at a charging station you've spent more time there than I have filling my Prius the last ten months. It's hard to sell EVs to people who would need to sit for 20 minutes at a charger when compared to two minutes at a pump.

[BraveBold]

Originally Posted by Krash

A big constraint with EVs—that is often overlooked—is the large number of families that don’t have garages and driveways. Lots of folks in big cities and suburbs park on the street.

Not everyone has a 3 car garage and a 100 foot driveway like people on TRF.

So pumping gas is a helluva lot easier for them than their getting their EVs a full charge.


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This reminds me of the oddest thing… one of my neighbors (with a four car garage) has his Taycan street parked… it appears to be his only EV. I figure he is concerned about fire risk… I think his garage includes living space above. Still seems bizarre…

[brandrea]

I drive a Rav4 prime and it’s been my favorite vehicle to own.

Her are some real world numbers to consider.

1. RAV4 Prime gets real world EV only range of 70 KM (more than enough for my weekday driving and on only one charge. In summer I get closer to 85km. Winter is right around 65-70km depending how cold it gets.

2. When I do need to recharge, I plug it into a regular household outlet to recharge and it takes 10 hours from 20% which is fine for me.

3. The cost to charge off peak here in Ontario is 2.8.cents per Kw/h where we live, so to charge the vehicle it takes roughly .51 cents for 70km of range from 20% empty.

4. Comparing that to petrol here (roughly $1.50/ liter. To drive the same 70 km using a car that gets say 6km/100 km the cost would be $6.30

EDIT. The nice thing, is that I don’t have to worry about charging on road trips as it’ll flip to petrol.

[V25V]

Originally Posted by BraveBold

This reminds me of the oddest thing… one of my neighbors (with a four car garage) has his Taycan street parked… it appears to be his only EV. I figure he is concerned about fire risk… I think his garage includes living space above. Still seems bizarre…

I have a 3 car garage and a Taycan GTS outside in the cold. Fire isn't a concern for me, just that I have other cars I would rather have in the garage and the Taycan is utilitarian. Great point A-B but not a keeper by any stretch. The depreciation on a Taycan is horrid.

[Cru Jones]

Originally Posted by BraveBold

This reminds me of the oddest thing… one of my neighbors (with a four car garage) has his Taycan street parked… it appears to be his only EV. I figure he is concerned about fire risk… I think his garage includes living space above. Still seems bizarre…

If one is concerned about fire risk, and one has to choose between parking their EV or ICE at home, the data is clear: one should not park the ICE vehicle at home...

"Researchers from Auto Insurance EZ compiled data from the Bureau of Transportation Statistics and the National Transportation Safety Board which found that hybrid vehicles had the most fires per 100,000 sales at 3474.5, followed by 1529.9 fires per 100k for ICE vehicles and just 25.1 fires per 100k sales for EVs."

https://alliedworldinsurance.com/ris...es%20for%20EVs.

[Blansky]

In my area everyone seems to park their cars outside and the garage is full of junk.

[VictorGMT]

Originally Posted by Blansky

In my area everyone seems to park their cars outside and the garage is full of junk.

Never understood this.

2011, moving into a new house, I worked until midnight so that both vehicles could sleep in the garage first night. 90 days later I had room in the third bay for the new driver's car.

[hambone1983]

Originally Posted by Blansky

In my area everyone seems to park their cars outside and the garage is full of junk.

wait...people park CARS in their garage?

[gliazzurri]

Originally Posted by pickettt

Yeah, it's certainly strange. I suspect, if the Cybertruck was $30k, there would be a lot fewer staunch critics.

Not for me. I find the design horrendous. Ppl have referenced the Aztek in the past as well. Cheap and equally awful.

[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by VictorGMT

Never understood this.

2011, moving into a new house, I worked until midnight so that both vehicles could sleep in the garage first night. 90 days later I had room in the third bay for the new driver's car.

(Truth) Have the same 'three car garage' config here... (Humor) What you say is simply UNpossible. There aint no way to... you used Photoshop

He's a Witch!!!! Witchcraft I say!!!

[BraveBold]

Originally Posted by V25V

I have a 3 car garage and a Taycan GTS outside in the cold. Fire isn't a concern for me, just that I have other cars I would rather have in the garage and the Taycan is utilitarian. Great point A-B but not a keeper by any stretch. The depreciation on a Taycan is horrid.

I just found the convenience piece odd… sitting on the street isn’t conducive to charging…

[BraveBold]

Originally Posted by Blansky

In my area everyone seems to park their cars outside and the garage is full of junk.

One of my neighbors has their cars outside and their garage is filled with “stuff”… seeing them trek outside and wiping snow off their cars in the morning. Head scratching for me.

Meanwhile I step into a 58 degree garage all winter long and straight into the car. I admit an insulated and heated garage is something I couldn’t imagine going without in any areas with cold / snowy winters.

[BraveBold]

Originally Posted by Cru Jones

If one is concerned about fire risk, and one has to choose between parking their EV or ICE at home, the data is clear: one should not park the ICE vehicle at home...

"Researchers from Auto Insurance EZ compiled data from the Bureau of Transportation Statistics and the National Transportation Safety Board which found that hybrid vehicles had the most fires per 100,000 sales at 3474.5, followed by 1529.9 fires per 100k for ICE vehicles and just 25.1 fires per 100k sales for EVs."

https://alliedworldinsurance.com/ris...es%20for%20EVs.

I was going to respond without reading the link (since I surmised questionable interpretation) but decided to read it first. Did you read it?

In the linked article itself some main problems with comparability are highlighted already. A couple key ones are easy to understand; that ICE vehicles will be on average much older. Another is the nature of the fire - and that fully shutting down an EV battery fire takes tens of multiples of water… and you can guess all the associated problems with using 160,000 gallons of water on a house vs 4,000 gallons.

Finally, the stats “may” be crossing apples and oranges. Fires are dependent on the STOCK of vehicles out on the world. The “rate” comparison is based on sales. If that is actually how it was measured (and I am not digging further) then it is entirely useless data, beyond my other criticisms (also in the article!) above.

I feel very comfortable with my 5 ICE vehicles in my own garage. I’d be more concerned (though likely not very) if I had an EV. In fact, we are going through an assessment of how many battery devices are sitting around our house right now, to (properly) discard those that are not being used because many carry latent fire risk.

[V25V]

Originally Posted by BraveBold

I just found the convenience piece odd… sitting on the street isn’t conducive to charging…

Well, mine is in the driveway...... I could run a charger to it but do not have 240V in my garage and would have to do 110 which would take forever. I just use Electrify America chargers (lots in my area) and with Porsche, I get 30 minutes for free. I hear what you are saying but you can charge it outside if you have it wired up in your garage and it can reach. If this was a car I was planning to keep long term or keep electric cars in our family, I would 100% have 240 run to the garage and charge it outside. But I am not keeping this and no plans to have another electric car.

[BraveBold]

Originally Posted by V25V

Well, mine is in the driveway...... I could run a charger to it but do not have 240V in my garage and would have to do 110 which would take forever. I just use Electrify America chargers (lots in my area) and with Porsche, I get 30 minutes for free. I hear what you are saying but you can charge it outside if you have it wired up in your garage and it can reach. If this was a car I was planning to keep long term or keep electric cars in our family, I would 100% have 240 run to the garage and charge it outside. But I am not keeping this and no plans to have another electric car.

Makes sense.

Btw, the guy I am talking about… it is street parked. About 100ft from his garage…

[V25V]

Originally Posted by BraveBold

Makes sense.

Btw, the guy I am talking about… it is street parked. About 100ft from his garage…

Yeah, it is a pain at times. I have put 3600 miles on the car in about a year and can get 230 miles to a charge. From 10-80% takes no longer than the 30 min I get free at a fast charging station. If he has same mindset and you all have 200W+ stations nearby, he may be thinking same as me. That all being said, now that it is winter, its worse as the battery does not hold nearly as long as when its warm. If I had to throw out a number, maybe lose 20%?

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by V25V

… That all being said, now that it is winter, it’s worse as the battery does not hold nearly as long as when it’s warm. If I had to throw out a number, maybe lose 20%?

That’s been about my experience as well

Toyota has been experimenting with solid state batteries for a while now and this should help with cold weather charge. Hoping they bring something to market soon

[Maleg]

Originally Posted by BraveBold

I was going to respond without reading the link (since I surmised questionable interpretation) but decided to read it first. Did you read it?

In the linked article itself some main problems with comparability are highlighted already. A couple key ones are easy to understand; that ICE vehicles will be on average much older. Another is the nature of the fire - and that fully shutting down an EV battery fire takes tens of multiples of water… and you can guess all the associated problems with using 160,000 gallons of water on a house vs 4,000 gallons.

Finally, the stats “may” be crossing apples and oranges. Fires are dependent on the STOCK of vehicles out on the world. The “rate” comparison is based on sales. If that is actually how it was measured (and I am not digging further) then it is entirely useless data, beyond my other criticisms (also in the article!) above.

I feel very comfortable with my 5 ICE vehicles in my own garage. I’d be more concerned (though likely not very) if I had an EV. In fact, we are going through an assessment of how many battery devices are sitting around our house right now, to (properly) discard those that are not being used because many carry latent fire risk.

We have a security camera in my workshop. The camera captured my Dewalt cordless drill spontaneously combusting on my welding bench at 2AM. I had used the drill that day and left it on the bench. Some twelve hours later it got hot and caught fire. The flames were about two feet high. The bench is steel plate and was undameged. Had the drill been anywhere else my shop probably would have burned to the ground. I now store all cordless tool batteries sperately in a steel cabinet. If my drill can catch fire, how comfortable should I be with my Toyota EV?

Originally Posted by brandrea

That’s been about my experience as well

Toyota has been experimenting with solid state batteries for a while now and this should help with cold weather charge. Hoping they bring something to market soon

Toyota has the worst charging system out there. Very poorly designed. You probably don't notice on your RAV4, but on our BZ4X it's horrible compared to the other companies. Let's hope they blew off the design effort on the old tech to invest in solid state. Otherwise, the next generation of Toyota EV's will be a dumpster fire (literally).

[VictorGMT]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

(Truth) Have the same 'three car garage' config here... (Humor) What you say is simply UNpossible. There aint no way to... you used Photoshop

He's a Witch!!!! Witchcraft I say!!!

Ha! It was a late night. Six months later, new driver, and first thing he learned was parking the Corolla into the bay on the right without hitting the shelving.

Then I got a take home patrol car... that had to park on the curb, oddly never hit or ticketed.

When we moved in 2020, so many neighbors came by to say they would miss us. We barely knew them.

I told my wife "They won't miss us... they like the patrol car sitting out front as a deterrent!!!!".

[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by VictorGMT

I told my wife "They won't miss us... they like the patrol car sitting out front as a deterrent!!!!".

Yup.

Oh my gosh, what will the HOA do now?

[Tricolore66]

Cybertruck looks like the community urinal in the men’s room of community college football stadium.