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[GB-man]

Originally Posted by Maleg

I meant under 100. Wow. What a game. The Eagles were firing on all cylinders for this one.




It's the coaching. It seems obvious outside of Buffalo that the Bills have the ceiling that their coaches set for them. Until they move on to better coaching they'll always be limited.

They won't be changing the coach anytime soon. They haven't hit on a first round draft pick since ed Oliver in 2019. They pick a lot of b players but no A+ guys.

......further reflection

Did the chiefs get 2-3 50/50 calls their way? Yes, as always. Did we still have a chance to win? Yes. Did Allen lose the game for us? No. Did he win it? No.

This battle should be framed as getting over the Andy Reid hump as much or more than the mahomes hump.

Lastly, our supposedly stout O line got walked most of the game. Then our left tackle is chopping it up all smiles with Chris Jones immediately after the game. You just got worked Dawkins. Now isn't the time to go chat up the guy who stole your lunch money.

[twitch54]

Originally Posted by MickCollins1916

While Dalton Kincaid shoulda corralled that 4th and 5 pass late, I think we lost it when Mahomes gained 1st down on 4th and 1 early. That bootleg right was predictable, since we’ve seen them run it a million times on the Bills, yet we seemed unprepared and they were one step ahead all night.

We got out-coached in all three phases by Reid and his staff…again. The Buffalo News pointed out this is the first time a team has been eliminated by the same opponent 4/5 years. The Chiefs are just better and we deserved the L, no doubt.

Bills have wasted most of Allen’s prime in a stacked AFC by whiffing on good opportunities left and right. It was supposed to be a rebuilding year and def fun to watch, but I’m still agitated about the results.

Every year I say the same thing.........the Bills will never win with McDermott ! Anybody that thinks McDermott and staff is in the same league with Reid's group must be smoking crack ! and regardless what Josh says, the Bills 'smaller' 'D' get's worn down by the 4th qtr. Defense needs more reworking than most think IMO.

[SDGT3]

IMO a few played changed the outcome in the Bills/Chiefs game with both calls going to the Chiefs. At the end of the first half, the ball was intercepted but the call was a reception. The rule says if both players catch the ball the call goes to the offense, but the receiver had a wrist on the ball, not even the entire hand.

The other call was the 4th down call where even Gene Staratore said he thought it was a first down.

Conversely, I’m not sure why the Bills continued to do the tush push play when it wasn’t that effective and certainly not as polished as executed by the Eagles. Either pound it in an I formation with a leading Fullback, or fake the tush push and roll out. Either way, keep the defense guessing so they can’t stack the line every short yardage play.

[brandrea]

Let me guess, the Bills lost again … I could’ve predicted that

[Maleg]

Originally Posted by GB-man

They won't be changing the coach anytime soon. They haven't hit on a first round draft pick since ed Oliver in 2019. They pick a lot of b players but no A+ guys.

......further reflection

Did the chiefs get 2-3 50/50 calls their way? Yes, as always. Did we still have a chance to win? Yes. Did Allen lose the game for us? No. Did he win it? No.

This battle should be framed as getting over the Andy Reid hump as much or more than the mahomes hump.

Lastly, our supposedly stout O line got walked most of the game. Then our left tackle is chopping it up all smiles with Chris Jones immediately after the game. You just got worked Dawkins. Now isn't the time to go chat up the guy who stole your lunch money.

Mahomes didn't play lights out. He had a good game, but the Cheifs schemed better than the Bills.

Originally Posted by SDGT3

IMO a few played changed the outcome in the Bills/Chiefs game with both calls going to the Chiefs. At the end of the first half, the ball was intercepted but the call was a reception. The rule says if both players catch the ball the call goes to the offense, but the receiver had a wrist on the ball, not even the entire hand.

The other call was the 4th down call where even Gene Staratore said he thought it was a first down.

Conversely, I’m not sure why the Bills continued to do the tush push play when it wasn’t that effective and certainly not as polished as executed by the Eagles. Either pound it in an I formation with a leading Fullback, or fake the tush push and roll out. Either way, keep the defense guessing so they can’t stack the line every short yardage play.

If you're going to do the tush push, do it where their best guy isn't. Allen can't go right?

It comes down to Reid out coached McDemitt. The Bills were too predictable. They needed to change up, but stuck to the same plays that weren't working. Though, losing a top DB probably doomed their defense. Elam was embarrassed regularly.

[GB-man]

The moment benford was Tua’d I knew even if we managed to win we certainly wouldn’t beat the eagles. You can’t sell out to stop Barkley with no corners.

[MickCollins1916]

Originally Posted by GB-man

They won't be changing the coach anytime soon. They haven't hit on a first round draft pick since ed Oliver in 2019. They pick a lot of b players but no A+ guys.



......further reflection



Did the chiefs get 2-3 50/50 calls their way? Yes, as always. Did we still have a chance to win? Yes. Did Allen lose the game for us? No. Did he win it? No.



This battle should be framed as getting over the Andy Reid hump as much or more than the mahomes hump.



Lastly, our supposedly stout O line got walked most of the game. Then our left tackle is chopping it up all smiles with Chris Jones immediately after the game. You just got worked Dawkins. Now isn't the time to go chat up the guy who stole your lunch money.

Originally Posted by Maleg

I meant under 100. Wow. What a game. The Eagles were firing on all cylinders for this one.









It's the coaching. It seems obvious outside of Buffalo that the Bills have the ceiling that their coaches set for them. Until they move on to better coaching they'll always be limited.

on both posts.

Case in point, Dalton Kincaid on the draft pick front; ok, but has been miles from justifying his lofty draft status.

Josh looked like he had the yips the first two drives. Still had a chance in the end, but against a team as prepared and talented as the Chiefs, probably made as much difference as those 50/50 calls that broke KC’s way.

Concur there’s no way Pegula would move on from McD and his 5 straight (worthless) AFC East titles, etc, but I’ve ranted in this space in the past about him. Having his team show up unprepared and not using the clock well, total lack of play calling answers…pick a game, 13 seconds, divisional against the Bengals, last year’s divisional against the chiefs, last night, whatever. Those all should have been fireable offenses.

[MickCollins1916]

Originally Posted by Maleg

Mahomes didn't play lights out. He had a good game, but the Cheifs schemed better than the Bills.



If you're going to do the tush push, do it where their best guy isn't. Allen can't go right?

It comes down to Reid out coached McDemitt. The Bills were too predictable. They needed to change up, but stuck to the same plays that weren't working. Though, losing a top DB probably doomed their defense. Elam was embarrassed regularly.

Sticking with the ineffective tush push repeatedly was ridiculous. Everyone watching knew 17 was going behind LG. Roll it out to the right once in awhile for eff’s sake.

Elam = Beane’s biggest whiff of a draft pick. There’s a reason that a first-rounder has been nailed to the bench for several years. Mahomes ate him alive. I’d like to see Elam fired…straight into the sun. Dude’s gotta go.

Lack of depth in the secondary killed us. Bishop led in tackles last night, and having a member of the secondary leading in tackles tells everything there is to tell about the front 7’s performance.

[Krash]

Originally Posted by MickCollins1916

Sticking with the ineffective tush push repeatedly was ridiculous. Everyone watching knew 17 was going behind LG. Roll it out to the right once in awhile for eff’s sake.

Elam = Beane’s biggest whiff of a draft pick. There’s a reason that a first-rounder has been nailed to the bench for several years. Mahomes ate him alive. I’d like to see Elam fired…straight into the sun. Dude’s gotta go.

Lack of depth in the secondary killed us. Bishop led in tackles last night, and having a member of the secondary leading in tackles tells everything there is to tell about the front 7’s performance.

I agree with the Tush Push. It wasn’t working for them. They could have won that game if they mixed it up a bit (IMHO).

Also, Bills defense is ranked 17th overall with total yards allowed and 11th with points allowed. That’s not a Super Bowl defense. How would they match up against the Eagles? I think Hurts and Barkley would run right over them.


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[MickCollins1916]

Originally Posted by Krash

I agree with the Tush Push. It wasn’t working for them. They could have won that game if they mixed it up a bit (IMHO).

Also, Bills defense is ranked 17th overall with total yards allowed and 11th with points allowed. That’s not a Super Bowl defense. How would they match up against the Eagles? I think Hurts and Barkley would run right over them.


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Yep, I think the Bills woulda had more than we could handle vs the Eagles.

“Not a SB defense” is an understatement. The coaching staff is not SB-caliber either.

I’m seriously irritated my Bills have wasted yet another opportunity. Chiefs, Chargers, Ravens, Bengals, Texans will be stacked again next year, to say nothing of up-and-comers like the Broncos. I have no confidence McD and Co. will ever solve the Reid/Spagnuolo problem - zip, none.

[Maleg]

Originally Posted by MickCollins1916

Yep, I think the Bills woulda had more than we could handle vs the Eagles.

“Not a SB defense” is an understatement. The coaching staff is not SB-caliber either.

I’m seriously irritated my Bills have wasted yet another opportunity. Chiefs, Chargers, Ravens, Bengals, Texans will be stacked again next year, to say nothing of up-and-comers like the Broncos. I have no confidence McD and Co. will ever solve the Reid/Spagnuolo problem - zip, none.

As a Bears fan I am an expert at recognizing horrible coaching.

While McD and Co aren't horrible, they also aren't great against great teams. They can't adapt to the game situation quickly enough to change the trajectory. The team will never move on though. They are making money on the product as it is. Why would they change?

At this rate though, Josh Allen will likely be the best QB to never play in a SB.

[twitch54]

sadly, I was 12 when the Bills won their last title (AFL), the next year they played for the right to go to the first Super Bowl and lost to...........the Chiefs ! Some things never change .........

[Moondoggy]

I have no idea, why such dislike for KC, I don’t like them not sure why.

[ThatOtherGuy7]

Was hoping Bills and Eagles or Commanders in SB. I like Chiefs (not a fan, just think they are great) but tired of seeing them in SB. It’s like Max or Lewis winning F1 every year. It gets boring.

[huncho]

feels like the Chiefs are just one of those teams that are built different when it comes to playoffs. every time it's a close game late into the 4th quarter it's like rewatching every Brady playoff game where he has 1-2 mins for a game winning drive and you just know he's gonna pull it off

it's weird because Mahomes doesn't always have the most amazing games but it still feels like it doesn't matter come 4th quarter. i guess it's all play calling and discipline and knowing how it feels to be there every year. people hate seeing them win every year but as a neutral i honestly enjoy watching history be made. one of the best qbs to ever play for sure

pretty insane stat from reddit :

Since start of 2019 postseason, Chiefs have had 11 playoff drives in 4th quarter or OT when down by a score. Here’s how they did: 7 TDs and 4 game-tying FGs

[Krash]

Originally Posted by huncho

feels like the Chiefs are just one of those teams that are built different when it comes to playoffs. every time it's a close game late into the 4th quarter it's like rewatching every Brady playoff game where he has 1-2 mins for a game winning drive and you just know he's gonna pull it off

it's weird because Mahomes doesn't always have the most amazing games but it still feels like it doesn't matter come 4th quarter. i guess it's all play calling and discipline and knowing how it feels to be there every year. people hate seeing them win every year but as a neutral i honestly enjoy watching history be made. one of the best qbs to ever play for sure

pretty insane stat from reddit :

Since start of 2019 postseason, Chiefs have had 11 playoff drives in 4th quarter or OT when down by a score. Here’s how they did: 7 TDs and 4 game-tying FGs

Two years ago, Eagles were beating them in the Super Bowl with less than two minutes left.

Unfortunately, the Eagles couldn’t run out the clock. We had to punt. Unbelievably, the punter shanked it. Literally the worst possible time to shank a punt. It went about twenty yards. The punter was cut in the offseason by the way…

The chiefs get the ball at the Eagles 45 yard line, and that was it. Mahomes carved them up. Final score: Chiefs 38. Eagles 35.

Somewhere in the madness of that last drive, the Eagles stopped them on a 4th down, but the refs called a questionable defensive holding penalty on C.J Gardner-Johnson. So that extended the game winning drive. Un-frckn-believable.


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[ThatOtherGuy7]

^ Chiefs are the new Patriots of yesteryears

[SDGT3]

Originally Posted by huncho

feels like the Chiefs are just one of those teams that are built different when it comes to playoffs. every time it's a close game late into the 4th quarter it's like rewatching every Brady playoff game where he has 1-2 mins for a game winning drive and you just know he's gonna pull it off

it's weird because Mahomes doesn't always have the most amazing games but it still feels like it doesn't matter come 4th quarter. i guess it's all play calling and discipline and knowing how it feels to be there every year. people hate seeing them win every year but as a neutral i honestly enjoy watching history be made. one of the best qbs to ever play for sure

pretty insane stat from reddit :

Since start of 2019 postseason, Chiefs have had 11 playoff drives in 4th quarter or OT when down by a score. Here’s how they did: 7 TDs and 4 game-tying FGs

Agree. The Chiefs do seem to be calm under pressure and have this confidence about them while other teams seem to have the yips.

If we break it down between the teams and give the edge:

Coaching: Chiefs

QB: Chiefs

RB: Eagles

TE: Chiefs

WR: toss up

OL: Eagles

DL: toss up?

LB: ?

CB: Chiefs

Kickers: Chiefs

[Krash]

Originally Posted by SDGT3

Agree. The Chiefs do seem to be calm under pressure and have this confidence about them while other teams seem to have the yips.

If we break it down between the teams and give the edge:

Coaching: Chiefs

QB: Chiefs

RB: Eagles

TE: Chiefs

WR: toss up

OL: Eagles

DL: toss up?

LB: ?

CB: Chiefs

Kickers: Chiefs

I think it breaks down like this:

Coaching: Chiefs
QB: Chiefs
TE: Chiefs but Goedert is dangerous.
Kickers: Chiefs

RB: Eagles
WR: Eagles (AJ Brown and Devonte Smith are much better)
OL: Eagles
CB: Eagles (Slay, Mitchell, Cooper are better)
Safety: Eagles
DL: Eagles (but Chris Jones is a game wrecker)
LB: Eagles (no contest. Zach Baun is up for defensive player of the year)


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[huncho]

yeah think this eagles team is historically stacked. 2 elite receivers (Smith is prob WR1 on almost every other team), a generational running back and great OL with a mobile qb. ironically Hurts is probably the weakest link on that team but he plays his role very well

[Krash]

Little bit off topic, but…

Before she was dating Travis Kelce, Miss Swift was an Eagles fan.

She’s from PA. She was often seen wearing Eagles, Phillies, and Flyers attire. Deep down inside, she’s one of us. It’s in her DNA.









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[twitch54]

Originally Posted by Krash

Little bit off topic, but…

Before she was dating Travis Kelce, Miss Swift was an Eagles fan.

She’s from PA.

Yeah and now she's shacked up with a member of the Kansas City 'Cheats' !

Go Birds !!

[Krash]

Originally Posted by twitch54

Yeah and now she's shacked up with a member of the Kansas City 'Cheats' !

Go Birds !!

I’m psyched.

I have a lot more confidence going into this game against the Chiefs than I did 2 years ago.

Eagles are a much better team than they were in the 2023 Super Bowl. And we only lost that game by 3 pts.

We had two bad punts that killed us. One was a shanked punt that went twenty yards, and another was when they ran it back for fifty yards. Those killed us. They scored on both.


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[twitch54]

It's not KC that worries me, rather.......the 'Zebras' !

[Maleg]

Originally Posted by twitch54

It's not KC that worries me, rather.......the 'Zebras' !

If you think the Eagles are so weak that they should be worried about the refs, you should be betting on the Chiefs. Everybody is watching for bias, including the refs.

The top players always get the calls though. Jordon never got called for the little stuff, and Brady flopped a time or two in his career. Expect Mahomes to get a few favorable calls because he's the golden child right now. But the rest of the Chiefs will be getting the flags they deserve.

Frankly, I'd prefer the refs just let them play, but the Chiefs haters will be cry babies and shouting conspiracy every time a Chief isn't flagged.

[Krash]

Originally Posted by twitch54

It's not KC that worries me, rather.......the 'Zebras' !

If the Eagles score a TD every time they get the ball, the refs become a moot point. But seriously, I just hope we’re up by 17 pts with 2 minutes left. We don’t want to be in a close game, with 2 minutes left, and Mahomes has the ball.


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[Maleg]

Originally Posted by Krash

If the Eagles score a TD every time they get the ball, the refs become a moot point. But seriously, I just hope we’re up by 17 pts with 2 minutes left. We don’t want to be in a close game, with 2 minutes left, and Mahomes has the ball.


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I hope the Eagles are up by 21 and playing their usual defense with two minutes left. Mahomes thrives against the prevent defense. That's his bread and butter.

[GB-man]

Go birds. Go birds. Go birds.