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Rafabond · 16 February 2025, 02:42 AM

Hello everyone, I'm looking at this 1680 red from 1971 and I'd like to know what you think of it. Do you think it's all period original? Any questions? What I do know is that the bracelet is a 9315 but from 1978 (letter C). Otherwise, I'd need your help. Thanks in advance!

Dan S · 16 February 2025, 02:55 AM

Mk IV dial is period-correct but the insert strangely appears to be earlier. The biggest condition issue jumping out at me is the case, especially the crown guards. Papers are nice, but condition is most important.

Edit: Sorry, MF obviously not a Mk IV. Looked too quickly.

Rafabond · 16 February 2025, 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Dan S

Mk IV dial is period-correct but the insert strangely appears to be earlier. The biggest condition issue jumping out at me is the case, especially the crown guards. Papers are nice, but condition is most important.

Thanks for your opinion, a good contribution. I thought the sphere was a Mk III.

Rafabond · 16 February 2025, 03:19 AM

Dan S · 16 February 2025, 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Rafabond

Thanks for your opinion, a good contribution. I thought the sphere was a Mk III.

You are correct, I looked too quickly obviously not a Mk IV. :facepalm:

TimeToGo · 16 February 2025, 06:22 AM

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Very nice collector's set. Pics are not the best but the package looks outstanding!

springer · 16 February 2025, 08:57 AM

Could be a nice set for someone. The crown guards are in very poor, over-polished condition. The same polishing wheel over-worked the lugs in a few spots also.

Also, I would think the caseback would be dated earlier than 1971. The set is missing the Oyster booklet as well as the green hang tag while the red hang tag is from the 1980s. The Submariner booklet should be the USA version being it was sold in the USA. The bracelet is much later than the watch. It would be nice to know if any of the paperwork is dated.

For me, this watch has a few red flags for a vintage set.

TimeToGo · 16 February 2025, 07:19 PM

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71 caseback looks good for this serial.
The quality of pics are not the best in some angles the crown guards look very thin and others just overpolished. This is a buyer's choice. Double punch papers is a nice addition. As far as the red seal, I really can't tell based on that picture if it is an 80s. The bracelet, I guess he knows is a later year based on production year of the watch.

But if it is a legit MF, it is rare to find specially with papers. Hopefully price is good.

Rafabond · 16 February 2025, 09:02 PM

Thanks for the comments! Yes, the bracelet is the same reference but from 1978, I suppose it must have been changed in some service, I think only the clasp was changed. As for the back cover, could it be the original? Brand I-71, the watch is 282*****. The Submariner brochure has a sticker from the NY distributor, so I think it is the original they gave him. The asking price is $26,000.

Clasp:

This is the warranty booklet, undated.

joli160 · 16 February 2025, 09:18 PM

Read post 7 and find a better one

1William · 16 February 2025, 11:50 PM

Too many issues. Not for me.

swish77 · 16 February 2025, 11:58 PM

What happened to the photos?

Dan S · 17 February 2025, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by swish77

What happened to the photos?

I am still seeing the photos.

Rafabond · 17 February 2025, 03:37 AM

Dan S · 17 February 2025, 04:08 AM

It's hard to swallow that price given the condition of the case. I'm guessing that they are fishing for someone who really values the accessories highly.

1675-David · 17 February 2025, 04:37 AM

2.8 serial mf dial? Long 5 insert? Mixed bag papers? 28K? That’s a big ask.

Dom9 · 17 February 2025, 04:47 AM

No photos for me, either :(

springer · 17 February 2025, 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Dom9

No photos for me, either :(

All the posted photos still show for me. 1pm CST, 2/16/25 (USA)

Rafabond · 17 February 2025, 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by 1675-David

2.8 serial mf dial? Long 5 insert? Mixed bag papers? 28K? That’s a big ask.

In euros, it is €25,000, since I am in Europe.

swish77 · 17 February 2025, 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by springer

All the posted photos still show for me. 1pm CST, 2/16/25 (USA)

Photos still not showing for me. Must be a glitch. I’m on a newish MacBook Pro, and have tried Chrome and Safari.

1675-David · 17 February 2025, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Rafabond

In euros, it is €25,000, since I am in Europe.

My point is that a 2.8 m case is very late for a mf dial and long five insert. I would view these as issues if I was buying.

springer · 17 February 2025, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by swish77

Photos still not showing for me. Must be a glitch. I’m on a newish MacBook Pro, and have tried Chrome and Safari.

I'm on Firefox.

TuRo · 17 February 2025, 07:57 PM

Ask Jeeves not delivering a picture here in TuRo Towers.

pereztroika · 18 February 2025, 01:35 AM

I don't like these engravings. They kinda look like Typeface C which was only introduced around case number 3.0 million.

Cheers
Jose

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rafabond

Hello everyone, I'm looking at this 1680 red from 1971 and I'd like to know what you think of it. Do you think it's all period original? Any questions? What I do know is that the bracelet is a 9315 but from 1978 (letter C). Otherwise, I'd need your help. Thanks in advance!

Tubeguy · 18 February 2025, 07:17 AM

Curios is a 1972 w/ mkV dial like this one is worth thinking about? The guy is in France. It's $22k USD Box and papers, or at least most papers. Bracelet date code does not match, but looks nicer than the one you've shown.

https://www.chrono24.com/rolex/subma...4_gRkZl3&pos=2

Dan S · 18 February 2025, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Tubeguy

Curios is a 1972 w/ mkV dial like this one is worth thinking about? The guy is in France. https://www.chrono24.com/rolex/subma...4_gRkZl3&pos=2

Thoughts about originality and condition, @tubeguy?

Tubeguy · 18 February 2025, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Dan S

Thoughts about originality and condition, @tubeguy?

Jeepers @Dan_S , I don't know. I was looking at them not long ago.

Then this thread came up and I popped it into search. If you have an opinion, I always want to listen and learn.

lee fowler · 18 February 2025, 08:15 AM

Firefox here and no pics!

springer · 18 February 2025, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by pereztroika

I don't like these engravings. They kinda look like Typeface C which was only introduced around case number 3.0 million.

Cheers
Jose

I mentioned the case back stamping in another post. I have three examples here with mid to high 2 million serials and they have 1969 case backs and one is an early I 70 case back.

springer · 18 February 2025, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Tubeguy

Jeepers @Dan_S , I don't know. I was looking at them not long ago.

Then this thread came up and I popped it into search. If you have an opinion, I always want to listen and learn.

Be extra careful having a watch shipped to the USA from outside the USA. If the shipping or seller goes "south" you'll never see your money again.

16 February 2025, 02:42 AM	#1
Rafabond "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Barcelona, Spain Watch: Rolex, Tudor, etc Posts: 629	What do you think is 1680 red? Hello everyone, I'm looking at this 1680 red from 1971 and I'd like to know what you think of it. Do you think it's all period original? Any questions? What I do know is that the bracelet is a 9315 but from 1978 (letter C). Otherwise, I'd need your help. Thanks in advance!

16 February 2025, 02:55 AM	#2
Dan S 2025 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 6,576	Mk IV dial is period-correct but the insert strangely appears to be earlier. The biggest condition issue jumping out at me is the case, especially the crown guards. Papers are nice, but condition is most important. Edit: Sorry, MF obviously not a Mk IV. Looked too quickly. __________________ @oldwatchdan on IG

16 February 2025, 08:57 AM	#7
springer 2025 TitaniumYM Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: jP Location: Texas Watch: GMT-MASTER Posts: 17,460	Could be a nice set for someone. The crown guards are in very poor, over-polished condition. The same polishing wheel over-worked the lugs in a few spots also. Also, I would think the caseback would be dated earlier than 1971. The set is missing the Oyster booklet as well as the green hang tag while the red hang tag is from the 1980s. The Submariner booklet should be the USA version being it was sold in the USA. The bracelet is much later than the watch. It would be nice to know if any of the paperwork is dated. For me, this watch has a few red flags for a vintage set. __________________ Member of NAWCC since 1990. INSTAGRAM USER NAME: SPRINGERJFP Visit my Instagram page to view some of the finest vintage GMTs anywhere - as well as other vintage classics.

16 February 2025, 09:18 PM	#10
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17 February 2025, 04:08 AM	#15
Dan S 2025 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 6,576	It's hard to swallow that price given the condition of the case. I'm guessing that they are fishing for someone who really values the accessories highly. __________________ @oldwatchdan on IG

16 February 2025, 03:19 AM	#4
Rafabond "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Barcelona, Spain Watch: Rolex, Tudor, etc Posts: 629

16 February 2025, 06:22 AM	#6
TimeToGo 2025 TitaniumYM Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: North Florida Posts: 16,783	. Very nice collector's set. Pics are not the best but the package looks outstanding!

16 February 2025, 07:19 PM	#8
TimeToGo 2025 TitaniumYM Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: North Florida Posts: 16,783	. 71 caseback looks good for this serial. The quality of pics are not the best in some angles the crown guards look very thin and others just overpolished. This is a buyer's choice. Double punch papers is a nice addition. As far as the red seal, I really can't tell based on that picture if it is an 80s. The bracelet, I guess he knows is a later year based on production year of the watch. But if it is a legit MF, it is rare to find specially with papers. Hopefully price is good.

16 February 2025, 09:02 PM	#9
Rafabond "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Barcelona, Spain Watch: Rolex, Tudor, etc Posts: 629	Thanks for the comments! Yes, the bracelet is the same reference but from 1978, I suppose it must have been changed in some service, I think only the clasp was changed. As for the back cover, could it be the original? Brand I-71, the watch is 282*****. The Submariner brochure has a sticker from the NY distributor, so I think it is the original they gave him. The asking price is $26,000. Clasp: This is the warranty booklet, undated.

16 February 2025, 11:50 PM	#11
1William 2025 TitaniumYM Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: North Carolina Watch: Rolex/Others Posts: 48,681	Too many issues. Not for me.

16 February 2025, 11:58 PM	#12
swish77 2025 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Aaron Location: CT/NYC Watch: ing the time! Posts: 7,085	What happened to the photos?

17 February 2025, 03:37 AM	#14
Rafabond "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Barcelona, Spain Watch: Rolex, Tudor, etc Posts: 629

17 February 2025, 04:37 AM	#16
1675-David "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Stockholm Posts: 6,067	2.8 serial mf dial? Long 5 insert? Mixed bag papers? 28K? That’s a big ask.

17 February 2025, 04:47 AM	#17
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18 February 2025, 07:17 AM	#25
Tubeguy 2025 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: So Cal Posts: 72	Curios is a 1972 w/ mkV dial like this one is worth thinking about? The guy is in France. It's $22k USD Box and papers, or at least most papers. Bracelet date code does not match, but looks nicer than the one you've shown. https://www.chrono24.com/rolex/subma...4_gRkZl3&pos=2

18 February 2025, 08:15 AM	#28
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