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tmoy810 · 14 September 2009, 02:06 AM

Hi all,

I am new to this forum, i have recently purchased a (wg daytona)116509, I was pormised a 2009 watch, which should be a v series, but when i went to go pick up my watch, it was a M series watch without any of the protective tape on the watch what so ever. The AD told me that he did infact order the watch new and that some of the new watches do not come with the plastic protection on the band or the crown any longer, he also told me that the V series is not in production for the 116509. I was just wondering if anyone has had any experience with any of this in the past, or if my AD is trying to pull a fast one on me.

The thing that is really upsetting me, is that I agreed to pay him a premium for a 2009 v series, and now he is trying to tell me that it is not possible to get one.

thanks for any and all help in advanced
Tony

dannyp · 14 September 2009, 02:15 AM

I'd refuse delivery if it's not exactly what you want. Regardless, it should come with all the protective covers. Sounds fishy, I'd go elsewhere. I'm sure someone around here can recommend a better dealer in the Chicago vicinity.

padi56 · 14 September 2009, 02:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tmoy810

Hi all,

I am new to this forum, i have recently purchased a (wg daytona)116509, I was pormised a 2009 watch, which should be a v series, but when i went to go pick up my watch, it was a M series watch without any of the protective tape on the watch what so ever. The AD told me that he did infact order the watch new and that some of the new watches do not come with the plastic protection on the band or the crown any longer, he also told me that the V series is not in production for the 116509. I was just wondering if anyone has had any experience with any of this in the past, or if my AD is trying to pull a fast one on me.

The thing that is really upsetting me, is that I agreed to pay him a premium for a 2009 v series, and now he is trying to tell me that it is not possible to get one.

thanks for any and all help in advanced
Tony

First cannot understand anyone paying a premium on any precious metal watch Daytona or otherwise.You should have asked for a good discount and there is no difference between a M or V its only a case stamp.And as long as watch is in perfect condition what does a bit of wrapping paper matter.You don't wear it with the wrappings etc, and your watch if new will have the same warranty.The most important thing is the watch and not a bit of wrapping paper.And all gold watches in general are poor sellers against say S.Steel.Now its quite possible your watch is from the end of November 2008. M serial started from Jan 2008 till end of November 2008. Or could be later 2009 if in transit from Rolex SA, to Rolex USA.And V serial Dec 2008 on to present day its only a case stamp nothing more nothing less.

Tools · 14 September 2009, 02:45 AM

Generally speaking.. the precious metal watches do run a series or two behind the more plentiful and faster moving Stainless Steel models...

If you had an agreement with him for a V serial, then you are entitled to what you want... But, you may not find a V series white gold model for quite some time...

And you are not exactly corrrect... Rolex does not release any watch by "model year". They almost always make more than one serial at a time, at the present time both M and V are being produced, so that M in your hands may have just come off the assembly line last month... it too is a "2009" model... (the reality is that both M and V were initially released in 2008)

As Padie mentioned, either an M or a V are identical in every respect, it's nothing more than the first letter in the serial number.

c2tcardin · 14 September 2009, 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Tools

Generally speaking.. the precious metal watches do run a series or two behind the more plentiful and faster moving Stainless Steel models...

If you had an agreement with him for a V serial, then you are entitled to what you want... But, you may not find a V series white gold model for quite some time...

And you are not exactly corrrect... Rolex does not release any watch by "model year". They almost always make more than one serial at a time, at the present time both M and V are being produced, so that M in your hands may have just come off the assembly line last month... it too is a "2009" model... (the reality is that both M and V were initially released in 2008)

As Padie mentioned, either an M or a V are identical in every respect, it's nothing more than the first letter in the serial number.

Agreed, if the watch is devoid of scratches or marks then the M vs V issue is irrelevant. The thought is that perhaps you can use the difference to haggle the price a little.

Welcome to the forum and keep us posted on what you do.

mb hawaii · 14 September 2009, 03:29 AM

I just bought a 116528 Daytona YG and specifically asked for a "V" Series with the "new clasp" style all wrapped in plastics. I figured if I'm paying all this money for a watch. I'm getting EXACTLY what I want regardless if the serial "doesn't" really matter to some people. Cause it sure as heck matters to me. I wouldn't buy from that AD if I were you. You'll always think back, "what if". Have you considered buying from TRF members here? Have you already taken delivery of the watch?

JJ Irani · 14 September 2009, 03:37 AM

The fact that all the protective stickers were found taken off proves just one thing......this watch was sold to someone else who then changed his mind and returned the watch back to the AD.

So realistically, this becomes a USED watch and should be treated as such. In my part of the world, once you walk out of your AD with a brand new watch, that's it - you own it. No be backs!!

JJ

padi56 · 14 September 2009, 04:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

The fact that all the protective stickers were found taken off proves just one thing......this watch was sold to someone else who then changed his mind and returned the watch back to the AD.

So realistically, this becomes a USED watch and should be treated as such. In my part of the world, once you walk out of your AD with a brand new watch, that's it - you own it. No be backs!!

JJ

Not always the case with all gold watches JJ it could have been on display in ADs display case.

Yume-sama · 14 September 2009, 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by padi56

Not always the case with all gold watches JJ it could have been on display in ADs display case.

Ewwww! It could have been touched by PEOPLE!!!

Though, I have not seen an AD that actually removes all stickers on *NEW* inventory.

Used, yes, obviously.

mb hawaii · 14 September 2009, 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by padi56

Not always the case with all gold watches JJ it could have been on display in ADs display case.

Yes, that may be true.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tmoy810

The AD told me that he did infact order the watch new and that some of the new watches do not come with the plastic protection on the band or the crown any longer, he also told me that the V series is not in production for the 116509.

However, this sound like a load of

deserted · 14 September 2009, 04:48 AM

What's the name of the AD in chicago you use , I have an AD in the city of chicago that has a pretty solid rep, if you want his info just respond to this message.

shandy · 14 September 2009, 04:49 AM

At the price your paying for an all gold Rolex I would want and expect it to be untouched, no stickers removed and in pristine condition. You are purchasing after all a brand new watch!

I know the stickers will be the first thing that comes off it so it should not matter but this brings up an interesting point.

We all know the actual cost of the watch including promoting it and such is no where near the retail. We are paying a hefty mark up..Fair enough but if we are prepared to pay that mark up the the manufacturer and the re-seller should be prepared to give us a product that is unsullied.

Heck, if I can get a $70 Alpha come with all the protective plastic intact then I should damn well get that from Rolex or any other high end manufacturer.

Part of the price we pay for expensive watches is supurlative service, I never understand why so many folks seem to excuse this or faulty watches.Again, at this price I do believe we should expect a perfect product!

Personally I would refuse the watch and go to a different AD, the one you have is lying, they come with all the protective plastic intact, if he is lying to you at this stage of the game I hate to think what he will be like when it comes to service or any other needs. I can just see it now!
" Oh no sir, Rolex crowns do come off in your hand from time to time, it's normal"!

Tools · 14 September 2009, 04:57 AM

You guys are all kooky.......

...... It just was not that long ago that if you ordered a Rolex... especially a gold model, when it came in... or when you purchased... the staff would put on their white gloves, take in the back and remove every piece of plastic on it...

It would be brought out, steamed and polished and placed on the clean leather mat in front of you..

You would look it over, then the salesman would fit it to your wrist and once again take it in the back to wipe it down, ensure it is fully wound and, if you chose, fit it into the box for you to take home..

But most of us proudly wore it out of the store.........

.......... And that's exactly how I was treated with my new Daytona last year..

.......... You guys might as well be shopping at Wal-mart.........

shandy · 14 September 2009, 05:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tools

You guys are all kooky.......

...... It just was not that long ago that if you ordered a Rolex... especially a gold model, when it came in... or when you purchased... the staff would put on their white gloves, take in the back and remove every piece of plastic on it...

It would be brought out, steamed and polished and placed on the clean leather mat in front of you..

You would look it over, then the salesman would fit it to your wrist and once again take it in the back to wipe it down, ensure it is fully wound and, if you chose, fit it into the box for you to take home..

But most of us proudly wore it out of the store.........

.......... And that's exactly how I was treated with my new Daytona last year..

.......... You guys might as well be shopping at Wal-mart.........

Could not agree more, this is how every Rolex purchase should be, otherwise as Larry says might as well go to Wally world and get one of their cheapy watches!

tmoy810 · 14 September 2009, 05:33 AM

Thank you all for the prompt replies, all your input is greatly appreciated. I was told by some that the V series comes with a new clasp. My problem with the situation is really based more so on the integrity of the situation, the dealer told me he would get me a brand new 2009 straight from the factory, which is why I agreed to pay him more then other offers i was quoted. He specifically told me, the reason why others can afford to sell it to me at those prices, where because they have been sitting in the case as display watches or they are just inventory that the other ADs need moved.

Long story short, after 3 weeks of wating for a "NEW" watch to come of the assembly line, i went into the dealer and saw that the watch had no plastic protection on it at all, i asked about that, because if it is coming brand new from the factory, it should not be in that state, the dealer insisted that new watches from Rolex direct no longer come with plastic protection on them.

Basically he is repeatidly lying to me. I just wanted to make sure that my instincts were correct and i am not wrongfully accusing him of lying.

If he were to come out and say, "hey, i ordered this watch from another dealer, it has never been worn, been on display, but we can work with the price" then, I would probably consider it. However he insist on lying to me, so therefore I have decided to refuse delivery of this watch, and get a BNIB watch for 3k less. Thank You all for your time.

Chozn1 · 14 September 2009, 05:42 AM

When you say you paid a premium, do you mean that you paid over MSRP or just received less of a discount for a newer serial?

tmoy810 · 14 September 2009, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Chozn1

When you say you paid a premium, do you mean that you paid over MSRP or just received less of a discount for a newer serial?

I recieved less of a discount, for a new serial. About 3k less. I figured, "what the heck, If im paying to buy a new watch, I might as well get a NEW watch"

Tools · 14 September 2009, 06:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tmoy810

...

If he were to come out and say, "hey, i ordered this watch from another dealer, it has never been worn, been on display, but we can work with the price" then, I would probably consider it. However he insist on lying to me, so therefore I have decided to refuse delivery of this watch, and get a BNIB watch for 3k less. Thank You all for your time.

I would support this decision....... Rolex still come to the Dealer with the protective plastics on them.....

Chozn1 · 14 September 2009, 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tmoy810

I recieved less of a discount, for a new serial. About 3k less. I figured, "what the heck, If im paying to buy a new watch, I might as well get a NEW watch"

In this market, I'd definitely push for the newest serial AND a heavy discount. I'm with you on kicking the AD to the curb. Even if there aren't any V serials, he's been less than honest.

mustangbrad · 14 September 2009, 08:38 AM

I wouldn't accept it if you had an agreement. And the big part is that you paid more for what you wanted and you didn't get it. Don't accept it, not for the extra you paid.

nektar · 14 September 2009, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by padi56

First cannot understand anyone paying a premium on any precious metal watch Daytona or otherwise.You should have asked for a good discount and there is no difference between a M or V its only a case stamp.And as long as watch is in perfect condition what does a bit of wrapping paper matter.You don't wear it with the wrappings etc, and your watch if new will have the same warranty.The most important thing is the watch and not a bit of wrapping paper.And all gold watches in general are poor sellers against say S.Steel.Now its quite possible your watch is from the end of November 2008. M serial started from Jan 2008 till end of November 2008. Or could be later 2009 if in transit from Rolex SA, to Rolex USA.And V serial Dec 2008 on to present day its only a case stamp nothing more nothing less.

i fully agree. if the watch is brand new flawlwss everything is fine. when i went to the first mayors i saw a v ss sub but the discount was not big enough. after this i went to the second mayors and the watch was a M. I would like to be a V bt it does not matter. what matters is when you bought it and not the exact date of production (afew months earlier or later)

Tools · 15 September 2009, 02:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nektarios

i fully agree. if the watch is brand new flawlwss everything is fine. when i went to the first mayors i saw a v ss sub but the discount was not big enough. after this i went to the second mayors and the watch was a M. I would like to be a V bt it does not matter. what matters is when you bought it and not the exact date of production (afew months earlier or later)

One thing that I keep forgetting to mention when these questions come up is the Clasp Code..

The Clasp code for 2008 is PJ, and the latest clasp code is PL; so if you do find one with an M, you can also check the clasp to see when the bracelet was manufactured (or thereabouts)

14 September 2009, 02:06 AM	#1
tmoy810 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Chicago Posts: 111	Just recieved my 116509 Hi all, I am new to this forum, i have recently purchased a (wg daytona)116509, I was pormised a 2009 watch, which should be a v series, but when i went to go pick up my watch, it was a M series watch without any of the protective tape on the watch what so ever. The AD told me that he did infact order the watch new and that some of the new watches do not come with the plastic protection on the band or the crown any longer, he also told me that the V series is not in production for the 116509. I was just wondering if anyone has had any experience with any of this in the past, or if my AD is trying to pull a fast one on me. The thing that is really upsetting me, is that I agreed to pay him a premium for a 2009 v series, and now he is trying to tell me that it is not possible to get one. thanks for any and all help in advanced Tony

14 September 2009, 02:45 AM	#4
Tools TRF Moderator & 2025 Titanium Yacht-Master Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,681	Generally speaking.. the precious metal watches do run a series or two behind the more plentiful and faster moving Stainless Steel models... If you had an agreement with him for a V serial, then you are entitled to what you want... But, you may not find a V series white gold model for quite some time... And you are not exactly corrrect... Rolex does not release any watch by "model year". They almost always make more than one serial at a time, at the present time both M and V are being produced, so that M in your hands may have just come off the assembly line last month... it too is a "2009" model... (the reality is that both M and V were initially released in 2008) As Padie mentioned, either an M or a V are identical in every respect, it's nothing more than the first letter in the serial number. __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

14 September 2009, 03:37 AM	#7
JJ Irani Fondly Remembered Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: JJ Location: Auckland, NZ Watch: ALL SOLD!! Posts: 74,317	The fact that all the protective stickers were found taken off proves just one thing......this watch was sold to someone else who then changed his mind and returned the watch back to the AD. So realistically, this becomes a USED watch and should be treated as such. In my part of the world, once you walk out of your AD with a brand new watch, that's it - you own it. No be backs!! JJ __________________ Words fail me in expressing my utmost thanks to ALL of you for this wonderful support during my hour of need!! I firmly believe that my time on planet earth is NOT yet up!! I shall fight this to the very end.......and WIN!!

14 September 2009, 04:57 AM	#13
Tools TRF Moderator & 2025 Titanium Yacht-Master Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,681	You guys are all kooky....... ...... It just was not that long ago that if you ordered a Rolex... especially a gold model, when it came in... or when you purchased... the staff would put on their white gloves, take in the back and remove every piece of plastic on it... It would be brought out, steamed and polished and placed on the clean leather mat in front of you.. You would look it over, then the salesman would fit it to your wrist and once again take it in the back to wipe it down, ensure it is fully wound and, if you chose, fit it into the box for you to take home.. But most of us proudly wore it out of the store......... .......... And that's exactly how I was treated with my new Daytona last year.. .......... You guys might as well be shopping at Wal-mart......... __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

14 September 2009, 05:42 AM	#16
Chozn1 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: South GA Watch: Sub and President Posts: 1,501	When you say you paid a premium, do you mean that you paid over MSRP or just received less of a discount for a newer serial? __________________ Current Models... (K)Bluesy (M) TT DJ In search of DayDate Prior models... Just about everything.

14 September 2009, 02:15 AM	#2
dannyp Banned Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: usa Posts: 6,765	I'd refuse delivery if it's not exactly what you want. Regardless, it should come with all the protective covers. Sounds fishy, I'd go elsewhere. I'm sure someone around here can recommend a better dealer in the Chicago vicinity.

14 September 2009, 03:29 AM	#6
mb hawaii "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Sunny Hawaii Watch: 116528 /126715CHNR Posts: 451	I just bought a 116528 Daytona YG and specifically asked for a "V" Series with the "new clasp" style all wrapped in plastics. I figured if I'm paying all this money for a watch. I'm getting EXACTLY what I want regardless if the serial "doesn't" really matter to some people. Cause it sure as heck matters to me. I wouldn't buy from that AD if I were you. You'll always think back, "what if". Have you considered buying from TRF members here? Have you already taken delivery of the watch?

14 September 2009, 04:48 AM	#11
deserted Banned Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: fort wayne IN Watch: Patek 1909003 Posts: 2,176	What's the name of the AD in chicago you use , I have an AD in the city of chicago that has a pretty solid rep, if you want his info just respond to this message.

14 September 2009, 04:49 AM	#12
shandy Banned Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Ian Location: canada Posts: 1,724	At the price your paying for an all gold Rolex I would want and expect it to be untouched, no stickers removed and in pristine condition. You are purchasing after all a brand new watch! I know the stickers will be the first thing that comes off it so it should not matter but this brings up an interesting point. We all know the actual cost of the watch including promoting it and such is no where near the retail. We are paying a hefty mark up..Fair enough but if we are prepared to pay that mark up the the manufacturer and the re-seller should be prepared to give us a product that is unsullied. Heck, if I can get a $70 Alpha come with all the protective plastic intact then I should damn well get that from Rolex or any other high end manufacturer. Part of the price we pay for expensive watches is supurlative service, I never understand why so many folks seem to excuse this or faulty watches.Again, at this price I do believe we should expect a perfect product! Personally I would refuse the watch and go to a different AD, the one you have is lying, they come with all the protective plastic intact, if he is lying to you at this stage of the game I hate to think what he will be like when it comes to service or any other needs. I can just see it now! " Oh no sir, Rolex crowns do come off in your hand from time to time, it's normal"!

14 September 2009, 05:33 AM	#15
tmoy810 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Chicago Posts: 111	Thank you all for the prompt replies, all your input is greatly appreciated. I was told by some that the V series comes with a new clasp. My problem with the situation is really based more so on the integrity of the situation, the dealer told me he would get me a brand new 2009 straight from the factory, which is why I agreed to pay him more then other offers i was quoted. He specifically told me, the reason why others can afford to sell it to me at those prices, where because they have been sitting in the case as display watches or they are just inventory that the other ADs need moved. Long story short, after 3 weeks of wating for a "NEW" watch to come of the assembly line, i went into the dealer and saw that the watch had no plastic protection on it at all, i asked about that, because if it is coming brand new from the factory, it should not be in that state, the dealer insisted that new watches from Rolex direct no longer come with plastic protection on them. Basically he is repeatidly lying to me. I just wanted to make sure that my instincts were correct and i am not wrongfully accusing him of lying. If he were to come out and say, "hey, i ordered this watch from another dealer, it has never been worn, been on display, but we can work with the price" then, I would probably consider it. However he insist on lying to me, so therefore I have decided to refuse delivery of this watch, and get a BNIB watch for 3k less. Thank You all for your time.

14 September 2009, 08:38 AM	#20
mustangbrad Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Real Name: brad Location: il Watch: 16613 Posts: 286	I wouldn't accept it if you had an agreement. And the big part is that you paid more for what you wanted and you didn't get it. Don't accept it, not for the extra you paid.

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