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sixerson · 18 September 2009, 10:51 PM

Hello guys!

I have a question that might sound stupid to you but well. Here it is...

Why did Rolex change the name of GMT Master I (16750) to GMT Master II (16760) ? I mean there is not a big difference in the look of the watch.

And in another hand why didn't they rename the GMT Master II (16710) with the name GMT Master III (116710). I think the watch changed a lot with the thicker case, ceramic bezel, thicker crown...

I don't really understand the turning point in renaming a watch.

Thank for your answer ;)

Colnago · 18 September 2009, 10:57 PM

The GMT Master I had the 24 hour hand and the hour hand synchronised, in other words they told the same time when the outer rotating bezel was in the position with the triangular marker at the 12 o'clock position, you found out the time in another time zone by rotating the bezel clockwise or anti-clockwise......the GMT Master II allowed for the hour hand to be independantly moved to show a second timezone without stopping the watch therefore keeping accurate time, it is also possible to track a third time zone by rotating the bezel.......I don't know why it has not evolved into the GMT Master III

The GMT Master · 18 September 2009, 11:41 PM

I think they wanted to focus on the mechanical aspect of the watch - the GMT IIc is effectively a GMT II in a new outfit. It's like the Submariner, they haven't called it the Submariner II despite the radical cosmetic changes.

sixerson · 19 September 2009, 12:42 AM

Thanks a lot for your answers guys! ^_^

Tools · 19 September 2009, 01:00 AM

The only time that Rolex has designated a watch as a "II" is when the original is still in production..

When the GMT II came out in 1989, the GMT Master was still in production and continued as the 16700 for another 10 years.. (The GMT IIc doesn't exist, it is really only another GMT II)

Same for the Explorer II.... The Explorer is still in production.

Same for the Yachtmaster II... The Yachtmaster is still in production..

and likewise for the DD II and the DJ II...

But further... going to your original question.. the GMT Master 16750 did not become the 16760..... it became the 16700 until discontinued in 1999..

The GMT 16760 was the original GMT II, and it became the 16710, and continues to live as the 116710.

mcneguy · 19 September 2009, 01:44 AM

But the DateJust II does not say DateJust II on the dial, isn't that interesting?

Sorry for the crappy pic - cell phone

sixerson · 19 September 2009, 09:11 PM

Thanks a lot! I understand now ;)

Flyjet601 · 20 September 2009, 12:34 AM

Here is a great link...
http://www.gmtmasterhistory.com/

glimmer · 13 October 2009, 05:35 PM

great link!

Deyn Man · 13 October 2009, 08:00 PM

WARNING: stupid post about to be... ammm... well... posted....

a bit off topic, so this would also be similar to the sea dweller and the deep sea? not much mechanical difference, just bigger case, etc. so no need to call it sea dweller II?

Tools · 14 October 2009, 12:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deyn Man

WARNING: stupid post about to be... ammm... well... posted....

a bit off topic, so this would also be similar to the sea dweller and the deep sea? not much mechanical difference, just bigger case, etc. so no need to call it sea dweller II?

No, it's not silly... I suppose that if the original Sea Dweller had stayed in production we may have seen a SD II. Except that they really did re-name it the Sea Dweller Deep Sea.

Here is an oddity though on the SD... At one time Rolex referred to the SD as either the SD 2000 or the SD 4000, depending on the depth rating.

18 September 2009, 10:51 PM	#1
sixerson "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Switzerland Posts: 16	GMT Master - Master II - Master IIc Hello guys! I have a question that might sound stupid to you but well. Here it is... Why did Rolex change the name of GMT Master I (16750) to GMT Master II (16760) ? I mean there is not a big difference in the look of the watch. And in another hand why didn't they rename the GMT Master II (16710) with the name GMT Master III (116710). I think the watch changed a lot with the thicker case, ceramic bezel, thicker crown... I don't really understand the turning point in renaming a watch. Thank for your answer ;)

18 September 2009, 10:57 PM	#2
Colnago "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Real Name: Bill Hart Location: Richmond, NY, UK Watch: Rlx=3, Tdr=3, Om=3 Posts: 3,053	The GMT Master I had the 24 hour hand and the hour hand synchronised, in other words they told the same time when the outer rotating bezel was in the position with the triangular marker at the 12 o'clock position, you found out the time in another time zone by rotating the bezel clockwise or anti-clockwise......the GMT Master II allowed for the hour hand to be independantly moved to show a second timezone without stopping the watch therefore keeping accurate time, it is also possible to track a third time zone by rotating the bezel.......I don't know why it has not evolved into the GMT Master III __________________ Bill "There's only three kinds of people in this world....those that can count....and those that can't" TRF's "JJ's" Bar & NightClub Patron

19 September 2009, 01:00 AM	#5
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,490	The only time that Rolex has designated a watch as a "II" is when the original is still in production.. When the GMT II came out in 1989, the GMT Master was still in production and continued as the 16700 for another 10 years.. (The GMT IIc doesn't exist, it is really only another GMT II) Same for the Explorer II.... The Explorer is still in production. Same for the Yachtmaster II... The Yachtmaster is still in production.. and likewise for the DD II and the DJ II... But further... going to your original question.. the GMT Master 16750 did not become the 16760..... it became the 16700 until discontinued in 1999.. The GMT 16760 was the original GMT II, and it became the 16710, and continues to live as the 116710. __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

20 September 2009, 12:34 AM	#8
Flyjet601 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Hong Kong Watch: All of them Posts: 2,789	Here is a great link... http://www.gmtmasterhistory.com/ __________________ I used to be indecisive, now I'm not sure

18 September 2009, 11:41 PM	#3
The GMT Master "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Chris Location: England Posts: 8,150	I think they wanted to focus on the mechanical aspect of the watch - the GMT IIc is effectively a GMT II in a new outfit. It's like the Submariner, they haven't called it the Submariner II despite the radical cosmetic changes.

19 September 2009, 12:42 AM	#4
sixerson "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Switzerland Posts: 16	Thanks a lot for your answers guys! ^_^

19 September 2009, 01:44 AM	#6
mcneguy "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Real Name: Mark Location: Florida Watch: GMT (2)/SUB/DJ Posts: 218	But the DateJust II does not say DateJust II on the dial, isn't that interesting? Sorry for the crappy pic - cell phone

19 September 2009, 09:11 PM	#7
sixerson "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Switzerland Posts: 16	Thanks a lot! I understand now ;)

13 October 2009, 05:35 PM	#9
glimmer Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Here, everywhere Posts: 1,244	great link!

13 October 2009, 08:00 PM	#10
Deyn Man "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Real Name: Dean Location: Philippines Posts: 1,037	WARNING: stupid post about to be... ammm... well... posted.... a bit off topic, so this would also be similar to the sea dweller and the deep sea? not much mechanical difference, just bigger case, etc. so no need to call it sea dweller II?

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