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Mosco · 8 February 2010, 01:53 PM

Things got heated on the 'sharp edges' thread. I got caught up in highlighting the d***head rather than thinking about how the guy who does not know me personally would perceive it. Sorry about that. Rest assured, I was not being jim crow, but simply a smartass.

And - it is absolutely terrible when people die as a result of ignorance - once again, I AM VERY SORRY ABOUT YOUR FRIEND. Losing people before their time is a familiar concept to me as well.

So - who the F nominated me to be the arsehole highlighter - I don't know. I responded the same way in one of the earlier threads, where the 'offender' comes in with sentence structure/punctuation which give you a migraine, spelling of someone who should use a crayon to sign his name, plus with an ulterior motive of being here to begin with (but that's a different story). Worst of all - this was clearly NOT a case of not knowing the language well enough, but of carelessness and ignorance.

Hope we don't lose you, at least not permanently. Nat - you're a good dude and TRF is a good place. Good match

ducatidoc · 8 February 2010, 02:18 PM

Greg, your one of the classiest guys here. Your apology like that shows part of the reason why.

I, too, have posted sh*t that sounded funnier, or innocent at least, in my head than it read on the screen, especially if the recipient doesn't realize I'm typing with a big ol' sh*t-eatin' grin on my sorry mug.
I have been known to do a few mea culpas by PM, as well.

I think Nat will probably see this for what it is - nuthin' to get too riled up over.

JBat · 8 February 2010, 02:23 PM

I think we've all been there at one time or another. It's an internet forum, and things like tone and intent are sometimes hard to convey in a written message. I still don't know where that thread went bad, but Nat's a good guy. I hope he comes back soon.

ParisDakarBmw · 8 February 2010, 02:26 PM

Greg, Great apology! I hope nat sticks around too!

Safetrends · 8 February 2010, 02:28 PM

Greg Sent you PM

PeteNYC13 · 8 February 2010, 02:53 PM

I'm as confused as everyone... I must have missed the contrversial part of the thread, luckily!
I always say that you can't see sarcasm, or a smile (even with the emoticons) via email or posting.
I hope no feelings were permanently hurt and the Forum continues to self police the Trolls that come to "play" every now and then. I guess when all the other places on the interent fill up, they like to come here and try to cause trouble.

So far, I have found TRF to be above most of the internet BS and it's the only place that I have felt good about posting and joining in the quality (and sometimes goofy) discussions.

Hope all ends well and we take it for what it is... a place to talk about and enjoy Rolexes!

-Pete

TheVTCGuy · 8 February 2010, 08:39 PM

Well said Pete! And Greg, you're one of the best on here... in all respects!

bodybump · 8 February 2010, 09:49 PM

i would accept a Ulysees Nardin as an apology...

1000ftSub · 8 February 2010, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ParisDakarBmw

Greg, Great apology! I hope nat sticks around too!

indeed

Mosco · 9 February 2010, 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by bodybump

i would accept a Ulysees Nardin as an apology...

Is that all I am to you

Mosco · 9 February 2010, 02:29 AM

Dang... Recent development - seems like the OP from those threads was an offender himself. Sucks we have to lose good people because of trolls (and my impulsive nature).

TheVTCGuy · 9 February 2010, 03:55 AM

Greg, do not blame yourself, we're all grown ups here, (well, except for Kyle

) we make our own decisions and accept the consequences for them. He, like all of us, had a choice to leave things alone and chose not to. So.....

P.S. (That was sure not meant to be a Dis against Kyle, he's more mature then most of us on here!

)

Welshwatchman · 9 February 2010, 04:58 AM

These Trolls feed on the emotional response they can elicit from the decent likes of Nat and all.

It must be difficult not to get suckered into these goadings, it's just a shame that they do.

rfknauss · 9 February 2010, 05:19 AM

Greg, please don't beat yourself up! I followed that thread yesterday, and thought that you did everything humanly possible to make things right.

By the way, I always enjoy reading your posts!

Mosco · 9 February 2010, 06:34 AM

Thanks, guys - sad truth is, I showed no class yesterday whatsoever. I should have known better. I let that arse Tyrone get me down to his level, and typically I have more sense than that. Not yesterday, apparently.

Sweramic · 9 February 2010, 06:41 AM

Everybody has their good and bad days, unfortunately

Rscmaine · 9 February 2010, 08:16 AM

Greg - thank you. (and all the others who replied)

I drove 350 miles today and had lots of time to reflect.

What drove me ballistic yesterday was the feeling that I was the only member who saw the tone of Tyrone's posts as completely intolerable.

There were several replies which seemed to view his rascist mockery as funny, and played along.

Such demeaning stereotypes are a form of "Dehumanizing" - rendering the target group as less than a person - and therefore legitimizing sub-human treatment.

The depictions of Steppin Fetchit, Sambo, Mammy and Aunt Jemima - and the chicken eating jive talking "Yo Momma" character Tyrone brought yesterday - all of these reinforce and give continued life to a societal stigma which hurts us all.

And the end result of dehumanization - the logical and tragic truth - is that people get hurt, and people die. Whenever any person is considered less than another, it is that much easier to treat them that way.

Whenever we fail to stand up to such degrading language and behaviour, we give longer life and continued strength to the worst of human behavior.

Sorry for the rant, but I feel very strongly about this.

Mosco · 9 February 2010, 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rscmaine

Greg - thank you. (and all the others who replied)

I drove 350 miles today and had lots of time to reflect.

What drove me ballistic yesterday was the feeling that I was the only member who saw the tone of Tyrone's posts as completely intolerable.

There were several replies which seemed to view his rascist mockery as funny, and played along.

Such demeaning stereotypes are a form of "Dehumanizing" - rendering the target group as less than a person - and therefore legitimizing sub-human treatment.

The depictions of Steppin Fetchit, Sambo, Mammy and Aunt Jemima - and the chicken eating jive talking "Yo Momma" character Tyrone brought yesterday - all of these reinforce and give continued life to a societal stigma which hurts us all.

And the end result of dehumanization - the logical and tragic truth - is that people get hurt, and people die. Whenever any person is considered less than another, it is that much easier to treat them that way.

Whenever we fail to stand up to such degrading language and behaviour, we give longer life and continued strength to the worst of human behavior.

Sorry for the rant, but I feel very strongly about this.

Nat - you're 100% right. I didn't agree with Tyrone's ramblings, I simply wanted to highlight the idiocy which he represented, and came across as condoning of his behavior. Not so at all, believe me.

Glad to see you back, mate!

belk7 · 9 February 2010, 09:20 AM

Greg,
I can't begin to count the number of times that I've gotten myself cross-ways with someone over a written email. Things lose context when people can't hear the inflection of the voice or language of the body. I know first-hand that you are a class guy and your OP here further proves that. That thread yesterday was crazy (I just looked it over this afternoon and still don't completely understand what went on).

Now for a watch story (since that is really what we're all here for). I went to set my JLC Master Reserve de Marche last night thinking I'd wear it with a grown-up Zegna suit today. As I moved the time clockwise to do the final date adjustment, the crown started moving freely and no longer adjusted the watch hands. The thing would adjust counterclockwise, but felt like it was "unscrewing itself" in the CW direction. I immediately got that brick in the stomach feeling.

Now for the glass half full part of the story....

I pulled my papers and saw that my purchase date from an AD was April 8, 2008. If you're going to have this kind of problem, then good to have it just under that 2 year warranty wire!!! So, I'll send the watch to Ft. Worth for a warranty repair and request a regulation since it's always run a little slow. For the cost of registered mail (a lesson I learned on TRF from you!) I'll get a full inspection, regulation, basic service, and crown repair and we can restart that damn 5 year clock. In the mean time, I've got my Rolex and that nearly new PAM you set me up with to keep my wrist happy.

Mosco · 9 February 2010, 01:52 PM

Hey Chris!

Glad that JLC was under warranty - their service is pricey! Still, I think the 104 will look good with the Zegna as well...

As far as that thread, many responses were deleted by the mods, and I think it is better that way.

How are things in Tennessee, my friend?

Damage Inc. · 9 February 2010, 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by belk7

... I went to set my JLC Master Reserve de Marche last night thinking I'd wear it with a grown-up Zegna suit today.

I do like my Zegna clothing...only shirts (& a tie) for me, but at some point I just need to go get a single breasted suit.
Nice stuff!

belk7 · 9 February 2010, 10:16 PM

Things here are pretty good. We managed to dodge the nastiest parts of the weather that everyone else seems to be getting hammered with. Hope things are well in Cincinnati. We're looking forward to being up there next month.

belk7 · 9 February 2010, 10:21 PM

Vic,
I sprung for a couple of their made-to-measure suits a few years ago. Was a little bit of a stretch at the time, but they both still wear just like the day I got them so I guess you really do get what you pay for. The local guys quit carrying the line recently, so I'm glad I got them when I did. The sad thing is, I now pick my wardrobe for the day based on what watch I want to wear. Buying the PAM from Greg and having all of those strap options just makes it worse.....

Does this qualify as my first thread hi-jack?

Rscmaine · 9 February 2010, 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by belk7

Vic,
Does this qualify as my first thread hi-jack?

Yup

Damage Inc. · 10 February 2010, 12:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by belk7

Vic,...
Does this qualify as my first thread hi-jack?

Yes it does.

Very nice on the suits all the same!

Mosco · 10 February 2010, 01:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by belk7

Does this qualify as my first thread hi-jack?

Chris,

You're a smooth operator!

ducatidoc · 10 February 2010, 01:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by belk7

Vic,
I sprung for a couple of their made-to-measure suits a few years ago. Was a little bit of a stretch at the time, but they both still wear just like the day I got them so I guess you really do get what you pay for. The local guys quit carrying the line recently, so I'm glad I got them when I did. The sad thing is, I now pick my wardrobe for the day based on what watch I want to wear. Buying the PAM from Greg and having all of those strap options just makes it worse.....

Does this qualify as my first thread hi-jack?

I had to laugh when I saw this. I plan the next days ensemble by getting the watch ready the night before.

I would not admit this any where other than on the forum here. Boy are we ever sick !

8 February 2010, 01:53 PM	#1
Mosco "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Greg Location: Cincinnati Watch: I like to... Posts: 18,567	Sorry, Nat Things got heated on the 'sharp edges' thread. I got caught up in highlighting the d*head rather than thinking about how the guy who does not know me personally would perceive it. Sorry about that. Rest assured, I was not being jim crow, but simply a smartass. And - it is absolutely terrible when people die as a result of ignorance - once again, I AM VERY SORRY ABOUT YOUR FRIEND. Losing people before their time is a familiar concept to me as well. So - who the F nominated me to be the arsehole highlighter - I don't know. I responded the same way in one of the earlier threads, where the 'offender' comes in with sentence structure/punctuation which give you a migraine, spelling of someone who should use a crayon to sign his name, plus with an ulterior motive of being here to begin with (but that's a different story). Worst of all - this was clearly NOT a case of not knowing the language well enough, but of carelessness and ignorance. Hope we don't lose you, at least not permanently. Nat - you're a good dude and TRF is a good place. Good match __________________ Instagram - @CaliberSwiss “A man who procrastinates in his choosing will inevitably have his choice made for him by circumstance.” - Hunter S. Thompson**

8 February 2010, 02:18 PM	#2
ducatidoc "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: the doc side Watch: zenith Posts: 3,779	Greg, your one of the classiest guys here. Your apology like that shows part of the reason why. I, too, have posted sht that sounded funnier, or innocent at least, in my head than it read on the screen, especially if the recipient doesn't realize I'm typing with a big ol' sht-eatin' grin on my sorry mug. I have been known to do a few mea culpas by PM, as well. I think Nat will probably see this for what it is - nuthin' to get too riled up over. __________________ The payments remain long after the novelty has worn off. # 26371 NAWCC Member

8 February 2010, 02:53 PM	#6
PeteNYC13 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Pete Location: USA Watch: Rolex Posts: 1,607	I'm as confused as everyone... I must have missed the contrversial part of the thread, luckily! I always say that you can't see sarcasm, or a smile (even with the emoticons) via email or posting. I hope no feelings were permanently hurt and the Forum continues to self police the Trolls that come to "play" every now and then. I guess when all the other places on the interent fill up, they like to come here and try to cause trouble. So far, I have found TRF to be above most of the internet BS and it's the only place that I have felt good about posting and joining in the quality (and sometimes goofy) discussions. Hope all ends well and we take it for what it is... a place to talk about and enjoy Rolexes! -Pete __________________ SS Submariner K16610 SS Submariner F16610LV SS/P Yachtmaster M16622 SS Black Dial Daytona M116520 SS Explorer II D16570

8 February 2010, 09:49 PM	#8
bodybump ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ 2025 Boutique Seller Join Date: Sep 2008 Real Name: Oscar Location: Florida Watch: Me!!! Posts: 23,233	i would accept a Ulysees Nardin as an apology... __________________

9 February 2010, 02:29 AM	#11
Mosco "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Greg Location: Cincinnati Watch: I like to... Posts: 18,567	Dang... Recent development - seems like the OP from those threads was an offender himself. Sucks we have to lose good people because of trolls (and my impulsive nature). __________________ Instagram - @CaliberSwiss *“A man who procrastinates in his choosing will inevitably have his choice made for him by circumstance.” - Hunter S. Thompson*

8 February 2010, 02:23 PM	#3
JBat "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: John Location: Washington Watch: 16710, 16610, DJ Posts: 7,329	I think we've all been there at one time or another. It's an internet forum, and things like tone and intent are sometimes hard to convey in a written message. I still don't know where that thread went bad, but Nat's a good guy. I hope he comes back soon.

8 February 2010, 02:26 PM	#4
ParisDakarBmw Banned Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Paul Location: New Haven, CT Watch: 116610 Sub-C Posts: 6,552	Greg, Great apology! I hope nat sticks around too!

8 February 2010, 02:28 PM	#5
Safetrends Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: David Walz Location: San Diego CA USA Watch: my hand. :) Posts: 9,156	Greg Sent you PM

8 February 2010, 08:39 PM	#7
TheVTCGuy Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Paul Location: San Diego Watch: 126619LB Posts: 21,539	Well said Pete! And Greg, you're one of the best on here... in all respects!

9 February 2010, 03:55 AM	#12
TheVTCGuy Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Paul Location: San Diego Watch: 126619LB Posts: 21,539	Greg, do not blame yourself, we're all grown ups here, (well, except for Kyle ) we make our own decisions and accept the consequences for them. He, like all of us, had a choice to leave things alone and chose not to. So..... P.S. (That was sure not meant to be a Dis against Kyle, he's more mature then most of us on here! )

9 February 2010, 04:58 AM	#13
Welshwatchman "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Real Name: Paul Location: Wales, UK Posts: 14,578	These Trolls feed on the emotional response they can elicit from the decent likes of Nat and all. It must be difficult not to get suckered into these goadings, it's just a shame that they do. __________________ ..33

9 February 2010, 05:19 AM	#14
rfknauss 2025 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Richard Location: Macungie, PA Watch: 5513 Sub, LV Sub Posts: 14,498	Greg, please don't beat yourself up! I followed that thread yesterday, and thought that you did everything humanly possible to make things right. By the way, I always enjoy reading your posts! __________________ *"Few things in life give man as great a pleasure as wearing a Rolex!"* TRF's "AFTER DARK" Bar & NightClub Patron

9 February 2010, 06:34 AM	#15
Mosco "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Greg Location: Cincinnati Watch: I like to... Posts: 18,567	Thanks, guys - sad truth is, I showed no class yesterday whatsoever. I should have known better. I let that arse Tyrone get me down to his level, and typically I have more sense than that. Not yesterday, apparently. __________________ Instagram - @CaliberSwiss *“A man who procrastinates in his choosing will inevitably have his choice made for him by circumstance.” - Hunter S. Thompson*

9 February 2010, 06:41 AM	#16
Sweramic "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Europe Watch: Movies Posts: 4,531	Everybody has their good and bad days, unfortunately

9 February 2010, 08:16 AM	#17
Rscmaine "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: Nat Parkinson Location: Maine, USA Watch: me pull a rabbit.. Posts: 1,196	Greg - thank you. (and all the others who replied) I drove 350 miles today and had lots of time to reflect. What drove me ballistic yesterday was the feeling that I was the only member who saw the tone of Tyrone's posts as completely intolerable. There were several replies which seemed to view his rascist mockery as funny, and played along. Such demeaning stereotypes are a form of "Dehumanizing" - rendering the target group as less than a person - and therefore legitimizing sub-human treatment. The depictions of Steppin Fetchit, Sambo, Mammy and Aunt Jemima - and the chicken eating jive talking "Yo Momma" character Tyrone brought yesterday - all of these reinforce and give continued life to a societal stigma which hurts us all. And the end result of dehumanization - the logical and tragic truth - is that people get hurt, and people die. Whenever any person is considered less than another, it is that much easier to treat them that way. Whenever we fail to stand up to such degrading language and behaviour, we give longer life and continued strength to the worst of human behavior. Sorry for the rant, but I feel very strongly about this. __________________ When the alien spaceships actually landed, to everyone's surprise, it turned out that the world's governments had not been hiding anything. They were just as clueless as the rest of us!

9 February 2010, 09:20 AM	#19
belk7 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Chris Location: USA Posts: 1,439	Greg, I can't begin to count the number of times that I've gotten myself cross-ways with someone over a written email. Things lose context when people can't hear the inflection of the voice or language of the body. I know first-hand that you are a class guy and your OP here further proves that. That thread yesterday was crazy (I just looked it over this afternoon and still don't completely understand what went on). Now for a watch story (since that is really what we're all here for). I went to set my JLC Master Reserve de Marche last night thinking I'd wear it with a grown-up Zegna suit today. As I moved the time clockwise to do the final date adjustment, the crown started moving freely and no longer adjusted the watch hands. The thing would adjust counterclockwise, but felt like it was "unscrewing itself" in the CW direction. I immediately got that brick in the stomach feeling. Now for the glass half full part of the story.... I pulled my papers and saw that my purchase date from an AD was April 8, 2008. If you're going to have this kind of problem, then good to have it just under that 2 year warranty wire!!! So, I'll send the watch to Ft. Worth for a warranty repair and request a regulation since it's always run a little slow. For the cost of registered mail (a lesson I learned on TRF from you!) I'll get a full inspection, regulation, basic service, and crown repair and we can restart that damn 5 year clock. In the mean time, I've got my Rolex and that nearly new PAM you set me up with to keep my wrist happy.

9 February 2010, 01:52 PM	#20
Mosco "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Greg Location: Cincinnati Watch: I like to... Posts: 18,567	Hey Chris! Glad that JLC was under warranty - their service is pricey! Still, I think the 104 will look good with the Zegna as well... As far as that thread, many responses were deleted by the mods, and I think it is better that way. How are things in Tennessee, my friend? __________________ Instagram - @CaliberSwiss *“A man who procrastinates in his choosing will inevitably have his choice made for him by circumstance.” - Hunter S. Thompson*

9 February 2010, 10:16 PM	#22
belk7 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Chris Location: USA Posts: 1,439	Things here are pretty good. We managed to dodge the nastiest parts of the weather that everyone else seems to be getting hammered with. Hope things are well in Cincinnati. We're looking forward to being up there next month.

9 February 2010, 10:21 PM	#23
belk7 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Chris Location: USA Posts: 1,439	Vic, I sprung for a couple of their made-to-measure suits a few years ago. Was a little bit of a stretch at the time, but they both still wear just like the day I got them so I guess you really do get what you pay for. The local guys quit carrying the line recently, so I'm glad I got them when I did. The sad thing is, I now pick my wardrobe for the day based on what watch I want to wear. Buying the PAM from Greg and having all of those strap options just makes it worse..... Does this qualify as my first thread hi-jack?

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