Parachrom Hairspring and Why it is so Good!

[ayres]

i have to agree with padi56 on this one... i'm thinking to myself as i watch the video, 'okay, they're putting a magnetic tip up against the movement... and i'm sure every day, we watch wearers are putting similar stresses on a watch!'

how many would notice a difference if they did not know if the watch were outfitted with the pc hairspring? i'd guess fewer owners. and i would like to shed light on some experimental design...

can you really compare a 3186 with a 3135, and say that the difference in accuracy/consistency is truly due to only the hairspring?... i don't know... i'm asking others to chime in here. but i know enough about stats and science to know that you cannot use just two watches (and different models, at that) to draw any conclusions. your sample size needs to be vastly larger.

the people at cosc would have telling data.

[Thai]

Originally Posted by ayres

i have to agree with padi56 on this one... i'm thinking to myself as i watch the video, 'okay, they're putting a magnetic tip up against the movement... and i'm sure every day, we watch wearers are putting similar stresses on a watch!'

how many would notice a difference if they did not know if the watch were outfitted with the pc hairspring? i'd guess fewer owners. and i would like to shed light on some experimental design...

can you really compare a 3186 with a 3135, and say that the difference in accuracy/consistency is truly due to only the hairspring?... i don't know... i'm asking others to chime in here. but i know enough about stats and science to know that you cannot use just two watches (and different models, at that) to draw any conclusions. your sample size needs to be vastly larger.

the people at cosc would have telling data.

The difference may not be much at all...since COSC does not test for magnetism...nor shock resistance of a watch. The main difference is for someone who exposes his/her Rolex to magnetism frequently or daily...that is when you will see the main difference. Even though you may not pass a magnet over your caseback, it is still nice to know that your hairspring won't change if you leave your watch on your computer or next to your kids toy magnet. It happens.

[padi56]

Originally Posted by Thai

The difference may not be much at all...since COSC does not test for magnetism...nor shock resistance of a watch. The main difference is for someone who exposes his/her Rolex to magnetism frequently or daily...that is when you will see the main difference. Even though you may not pass a magnet over your caseback, it is still nice to know that your hairspring won't change if you leave your watch on your computer or next to your kids toy magnet. It happens.

Quite true the COSC don't test for magnetism but if bare movement was magnetised the movement would not pass the COSC test because it would run very very erratic. But magnetism today effects a tiny amount of all mechanical watches made.And you would have to come into contact with quite a strong magnetic field to get temporally magnetised. And its a very very simple task to de-magnetise any watch if ever needed.And the Swiss standard test for anti-magnetic watches which most Swiss watches have to pass including Rolex. Is to withstand a strong magnetic field of 4800 Amps per meter,and to keeps on running with a maximum deviation of 15- 30 seconds per day.Now this test I am 100% sure that 99% of all watch wearers would never subject or come into contact with such a strong magnetic field.Like I said in my previous post I work around high power radio and testing equipment that puts out quite a strong magnetic field much higher than any computer etc never had any problem.Now if you put any mechanical watch directly on a powerful magnet then it could get magnetised but a very simple process to de-magnetise it.

[Thai]

Originally Posted by padi56

Quite true the COSC don't test for magnetism but if bare movement was magnetised the movement would not pass the COSC test because it would run very very erratic.

Huh?!! Well, if a Rolex movement is magnetized before being sent to COSC, then Rolex has a whole different bigger set of problems at Rolex factory!! I think that most magnetism issues occur AFTER someone buys a Rolex, not during the building of the movement at Rolex factory. Not sure why you brought that up....

I understand that YOU may not have had an issue, padi, but there are plenty of owners who have had their watch magnetized by daily activity. Sure, you can "de-magnetized" a watch, but this is yet another additional hassel that people with PC hairspring-equipped watch won't need to deal with.

To put it another way, magnetism and shock resistance are real issues that every watch manufacturer is now trying to solve. Why do you think that there is such a push for Si14 hairspring? Si14 has the additional benefit over PC hairspring in the lack of need of lubrication...so, i have been told. The creation of S14 and PC hairsprings is due to the need to IMPROVE the mechanical watch. Does it help marketing? Sure, but there is more to it. Being a wise moderator of this forum, i am shock (no pun intended) that you do not see the benefit of a PC hairspring.

Simple fact...PC hairspring is significantly better than hairsprings before it. And the above video CLEARLY shows it. You have argued in the past how the Nivarox hairspring

Originally Posted by padi56

is 99.99% anti magnetic.

This is obviously not the case from the video above.

[padi56]

What I am saying but for some reason you just cannot understand on paper perhaps the PC has slight benefits.But in the real world to the average wearer I would doubt if they would notice any real difference.Unless you have a magnet dangling over a open case back then the PC will show a slight benefit.

[Casey VP-26]

Great Post Thai. Very Interesting

[Moggo]

May be asking silly question but.......

What would it take to change the Nivarox for PC? Is it even possible??

Thanks.

[Thai]

Originally Posted by padi56

What I am saying but for some reason you just cannot understand on paper perhaps the PC has slight benefits.But in the real world to the average wearer I would doubt if they would notice any real difference.Unless you have a magnet dangling over a open case back then the PC will show a slight benefit.

See this interesting thread: http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?t=361573

As you can see, mechanical watches can be affect by magnetism a whole lot more frequent than you think, Padi. So, please, spare me the 100% or 99.99999% statistics that you so frequently quote! Lets stick to facts and hard data.

[Thai]

Originally Posted by Moggo

May be asking silly question but.......

What would it take to change the Nivarox for PC? Is it even possible??

Thanks.

Buy a new Rolex?? Sorry, i just had to put that in. I doubt that it is easily interchangeable.

[DadsWatch72]

Originally Posted by sparky_magoo

Is this an example of reverse engineering from Area 51?

Maybe......who knows????? I want to believe.

[Moggo]

Originally Posted by Thai

Buy a new Rolex?? Sorry, i just had to put that in. I doubt that it is easily interchangeable.

I probably will, thanks.

[DadsWatch72]

Originally Posted by DadsWatch72

Maybe......who knows????? I want to believe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mUwqD1oiYQ

[JJ Irani]

Originally Posted by padi56

So what you are saying JJ your watches self regulate in different positions.So in fact they are not ZERO deviation.If you left them in the same position there would be some gain or loss correct.???

I should have mentioned it, Padi - ZERO Deviation on the wrist whilst wearing at all times.

JJ

[padi56]

Originally Posted by Thai

See this interesting thread: http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?t=361573

As you can see, mechanical watches can be affect by magnetism a whole lot more frequent than you think, Padi. So, please, spare me the 100% or 99.99999% statistics that you so frequently quote! Lets stick to facts and hard data.

I always deal in facts and with well over 30 years in rolex wearing and experience. I have forgotten more things about Rolex watches than some will ever learn.Remember it takes 12 months to make a Rolex oyster a Rolex past quote.

Question by acce1999 for (watchmaker) a Rolex TechXpert on 7/1/10

Do you have any technical specifications of the Parachrome Bleu, other than its improved resistance to magnetism and the added consistency of the rate?

watchmaker answer below.
7-What do you want to know? There is little to say about it other than in my opinion it is just a step away from Nivarox. There are advantages on paper, but in reality, you will never know the difference.

[Thai]

Originally Posted by padi56

I always deal in facts and with well over 30 years in rolex wearing and experience. I have forgotten more things about Rolex watches than some will ever learn.

Hmmm...a bit of arrogance in what we type today, aren't we?? That is some hilarious crap that i just read. Thanks for the joke of the day.

Read the thread linked above...magnetism of a mechanical watch is more than just a 0.000000001% chance!! Sure, it does not happen to every mechanical watch, but it does happen, esp. with more and more electronics making their way into daily living (cell phones, computers, etc). The magnetism may be short-lived, but it does affect accuracy/precision of a watch, if not for a short time. Therefore, a PC hairspring, at the very least, allows for more consistent time keeping in our daily lives. (Remember, PC hairspring is also more shock resistant too.)

In the past, you brought up in the past COSC and "chronometer" as two distinct entity (even though they are the same) as evidence against the PC hairspring superiority...yet, COSC does not test for magnetism nor for shock resistance. Is this one of those things that are "forgotten" from your 30 years experience???

Padi edit
And for your arrogance and being disrespectful with your crap
smilie have this infraction on me.

[ayres]

i'll chime in one more time and say that we should all be reminded that we deal in anecdotal evidence.

once a second thread reconfirms the first, we let it pass as gospel; for our intents and purposes, we need little else in our hobby. we should be reminded of our sample size compared to the global stock of watch wearers.

please remember that the only consistency amongst all of us is that there is a rolex model involved. so trying to draw facts from our collective experiences while overlooking the emotive and the vast differences is simply not constructive.

and by the way, i have a 3186 movement, and i definitely do not have zero deviation.

all the best...

[Welshwatchman]

Originally Posted by Thai

Hmmm...a bit of arrogance in what we type today, aren't we?? That is some hilarious crap that i just read. Thanks for the joke of the day.

The thought that occurs to me is that Thai rhymes with bye.

Let's see if we are further blessed with your piss taking skills.

[Thai]

Originally Posted by Welshwatchman

The thought that occurs to me is that Thai rhymes with bye.

Let's see if we are further blessed with your piss taking skills.

Huh? "Piss taking skills"? rhyme? Your attempt at a joke?

Can we stay on topic?

[JBat]

Originally Posted by Thai

Huh? "Piss taking skills"? rhyme? Your attempt at a joke?

Can we stay on topic?

Friendly advice: you'd better chill.

[Lol-x]

Originally Posted by Thai

Huh? "Piss taking skills"? rhyme? Your attempt at a joke?

Can we stay on topic?

Unnecessary aggression is entirely unacceptable.

[DadsWatch72]

Originally Posted by Thai

Huh? "Piss taking skills"? rhyme? Your attempt at a joke?

Can we stay on topic?

I see a number in your future........it's..........it's........the number 6....