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Atomant · 28 February 2010, 08:26 PM

Just was wondering, why would Rolex want to ditch that 'cobalt' blue seen on the 16613 and go with the 'smurf' blue? Would you do that as a manufacturer? From an aesthetique point of view, the 'cobalt' blue looks way better than the 'smurf' blue seen on the WG Sub and TT Sub Ceramic. From a technical stand point. Why do you think Rolex wanna do that?

Tombstone · 28 February 2010, 08:34 PM

Who knows? I do not like the new 'Smurf' blue as it looks like plastic blue to me.

padi56 · 28 February 2010, 08:37 PM

Well over the years there have been a few colour changes mainly then when Rolex was using different dial manufactures.Same for fonts there have been subtle changes but in reality Rolex watches in general have changed very little over the last 20 odd years.

The GMT Master · 28 February 2010, 08:39 PM

I think it must be to do with the shade of the ceramic. It all has to match up, and there would have been no way to get the same shade of deep blue that they had on the aluminium inserts on the ceramic ones. I think it was an unfortunate by-product of progress

Rikki · 1 March 2010, 12:18 AM

Another thought the cobalt blue was a very difficult color to produce and was subject to fading when in the presence of even the slightest amount of moisture. Usually turning gray or even a yellow green. I used to have a dial refinishing company that got there paint from Rolex and had nothing but problems with the cobalt blue although I am not fond of the new color it is probably a more stable color IMO. Rikki

HL65 · 1 March 2010, 12:23 AM

Smurf blue--I would never want that color on my watch--not me --never!!

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sakuraba · 1 March 2010, 01:00 AM

I think Rolex just wants to keep us guessing!

If you look at the LV, there are different shades to that green bezel. Same production era, same watch, but they still couldn't decide on the shade they wanted!

FWIW, I prefer the bluesy blue, but wouldn't mind the smurf on me.

Atomant · 1 March 2010, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by The GMT Master

I think it must be to do with the shade of the ceramic. It all has to match up, and there would have been no way to get the same shade of deep blue that they had on the aluminium inserts on the ceramic ones. I think it was an unfortunate by-product of progress

That's exactly the same thing I was trying to tell my friend who'se gonna get a TT Sub.

Atomant · 1 March 2010, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Rikki

Another thought the cobalt blue was a very difficult color to produce and was subject to fading when in the presence of even the slightest amount of moisture. Usually turning gray or even a yellow green. I used to have a dial refinishing company that got there paint from Rolex and had nothing but problems with the cobalt blue although I am not fond of the new color it is probably a more stable color IMO. Rikki

I think it cost much less to replace an aluminium insert than a ceramic bezel.

esm · 1 March 2010, 02:01 AM

imo - coblat blue looks fine against the gold and SS colour combo while the smurf blue looks fine against the full WG colour... I think colbat blue would look "funny" against full WG colour....

sevykor · 1 March 2010, 02:30 AM

My guess is that the cobalt looked "off" in contrast to the ceramic so they chose something that better matches the ceramic bezel. Or Rolex wanted to be different because many watches started using cobalt dials (have a Skagen in Cobalt blue :)

sea-dweller · 1 March 2010, 02:33 AM

I like the cobalt blue also...

Atomant · 1 March 2010, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by esm

imo - coblat blue looks fine against the gold and SS colour combo while the smurf blue looks fine against the full WG colour... I think colbat blue would look "funny" against full WG colour....

x2. too much bling with cobalt blue and WG. Makes it look cheap as well.

AF/1 · 1 March 2010, 02:35 AM

i love the new blue

SDDS · 1 March 2010, 02:37 AM

i love the smurfy Sub..wish it comes in SS...

Lost Texan · 1 March 2010, 02:42 AM

I love my new TT Sub C. Cannot stop looking at it.

MAWhite · 1 March 2010, 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Tombstone

Who knows? I do not like the new 'Smurf' blue as it looks like plastic blue to me.

Exactly!
Best,
Mike

Atomant · 1 March 2010, 02:47 AM

I guess the new blue would onlyl go well with the WG.

Deyn Man · 1 March 2010, 02:48 AM

drooling on either the bluesy or the smurfy...

but going back to your question, i think most have answered it already (dunno though if its the REAL answer but would have said the same) -- smurfy would match the ceramic better than the bluesy...

valentine · 1 March 2010, 02:49 AM

cuz they be stupid?

yemenmocha · 1 March 2010, 02:52 AM

Older blue is clearly better.

behardt · 1 March 2010, 01:49 PM

The older blue is kind of 1980. I think the new blue is classier.

Leasky · 1 March 2010, 05:25 PM

I have to say that I prefer the Cobalt blue.

The theory about getting the new blue to match to something else sounds very possible to me - why else change the "Sea blue" on a Sub to what looks like a lighter "Sky blue"?

MagedMS · 1 March 2010, 06:49 PM

The new Blue matches the Ceramic bezel material.. Looks new and rarely found on other watches brands.. And difficult to produce on fakes !!! Which makes the new Blue SUB unique..
For all who didn't see it in real,, please don't judge this color on your LCD screens.. Coz it's a beautiful blue.

Gaijin · 2 March 2010, 12:57 AM

Hate the new blue. Old blue all the way..

Soupsandwich · 2 March 2010, 02:12 AM

I love the blue WG blue Sub. Shares the "holy grail" spot along with a meteorite-dial Daytona.

Robert

ral · 2 March 2010, 02:37 AM

This article has nice side by side shots of cobalt and smurf blue: Rolex Submariner 16613 vs. the Rolex Submariner 116613

Nice pics of the new WG version can be seen in this article: Review of the Rolex Submariner 116619

mic6 · 2 March 2010, 02:45 AM

older blue is killer

RLXSTR · 2 March 2010, 03:08 AM

I've noticed the cobalt blue is sought after while many are steering away from the 'smurf' blue. It's easier to sell a 18K/SS cobalt blue Submariner than it is the new ceramic smurf. Not even sure why they went with the new blue. I sure hope they find a way to bring in a darker blue now that Rolex has turned to ceramic. I understand the ceramic doesn't fade and is alot more scratch resistant. But the smurf color is not a sale-able color.

28 February 2010, 08:26 PM	#1
Atomant "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Fernwood Posts: 3,455	Why do you think Rolex would wanna ditch 'cobalt' blue and go with the smurf blue? Just was wondering, why would Rolex want to ditch that 'cobalt' blue seen on the 16613 and go with the 'smurf' blue? Would you do that as a manufacturer? From an aesthetique point of view, the 'cobalt' blue looks way better than the 'smurf' blue seen on the WG Sub and TT Sub Ceramic. From a technical stand point. Why do you think Rolex wanna do that? __________________ 116613LN 16600SD 16610LV 116710 16710 16570 Speedy 3570.50 PAM25 Oris TT1 and a bunch of G-Shocks. Flipped: Daytona 116520 Seamaster 2231.80

28 February 2010, 08:34 PM	#2
Tombstone "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Real Name: Richard Location: LV, NV Watch: LV Sub and others Posts: 2,689	Who knows? I do not like the new 'Smurf' blue as it looks like plastic blue to me. __________________ Always working...by choice

28 February 2010, 08:37 PM	#3
padi56 "TRF" Life Patron Join Date: Jun 2005 Real Name: Peter Location: Llanfairpwllgwyng Watch: ing you. Posts: 53,034	Well over the years there have been a few colour changes mainly then when Rolex was using different dial manufactures.Same for fonts there have been subtle changes but in reality Rolex watches in general have changed very little over the last 20 odd years. __________________ ICom Pro3 All posts are my own opinion and my opinion only. "The clock of life is wound but once, and no man has the power to tell just when the hands will stop. Now is the only time you actually own the time, Place no faith in time, for the clock may soon be still for ever." Good Judgement comes from experience,experience comes from Bad Judgement,.Buy quality, cry once; buy cheap, cry again and again. www.mc0yad.club Second in command CEO and left handed watch winder

1 March 2010, 12:23 AM	#6
HL65 TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Ken Location: SW Florida Watch: One on my wrist. Posts: 63,988	Smurf blue--I would never want that color on my watch--not me --never!! SupercaseSub.jpg __________________ *SPEM SUCCESSUS ALIT*

1 March 2010, 01:00 AM	#7
sakuraba "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2009 Real Name: Jib Location: SJ, California Watch: sun dial Posts: 8,189	I think Rolex just wants to keep us guessing! If you look at the LV, there are different shades to that green bezel. Same production era, same watch, but they still couldn't decide on the shade they wanted! FWIW, I prefer the bluesy blue, but wouldn't mind the smurf on me. __________________ F 14000 AirKing black F 16710 GMT Pepsi F 16570 Explorer II white T 16600 SD D 16610 LV "fine quality is remembered long after the pain of spending money" -Steve Mulholland

28 February 2010, 08:39 PM	#4
The GMT Master "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Chris Location: England Posts: 8,150	I think it must be to do with the shade of the ceramic. It all has to match up, and there would have been no way to get the same shade of deep blue that they had on the aluminium inserts on the ceramic ones. I think it was an unfortunate by-product of progress

1 March 2010, 12:18 AM	#5
Rikki TechXpert Join Date: Jun 2009 Real Name: Rik Dietel Location: Seminole Fla Watch: 5512 s/s Sub Posts: 1,818	Another thought the cobalt blue was a very difficult color to produce and was subject to fading when in the presence of even the slightest amount of moisture. Usually turning gray or even a yellow green. I used to have a dial refinishing company that got there paint from Rolex and had nothing but problems with the cobalt blue although I am not fond of the new color it is probably a more stable color IMO. Rikki

1 March 2010, 02:01 AM	#10
esm "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Eric Location: Location,Location Watch: this, bro... Posts: 15,340	imo - coblat blue looks fine against the gold and SS colour combo while the smurf blue looks fine against the full WG colour... I think colbat blue would look "funny" against full WG colour....

1 March 2010, 02:30 AM	#11
sevykor "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Michigan Posts: 469	My guess is that the cobalt looked "off" in contrast to the ceramic so they chose something that better matches the ceramic bezel. Or Rolex wanted to be different because many watches started using cobalt dials (have a Skagen in Cobalt blue :)

1 March 2010, 02:33 AM	#12
sea-dweller "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Real Name: Dennis Location: Bay Area - 925 Posts: 40,018	I like the cobalt blue also... __________________ TRF Member #6699 (since September 2007)

1 March 2010, 02:35 AM	#14
AF/1 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: USA Posts: 61	i love the new blue

1 March 2010, 02:37 AM	#15
SDDS "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Real Name: Yazan Location: Canada Posts: 4,782	i love the smurfy Sub..wish it comes in SS... __________________ Patek Philippe 5167 Patek Philippe 5905P black dial Rolex Deepsea 116660 M series Rolex Oysterquartz 17000 N series Rolex OP 41MM 124300 Green Dial

1 March 2010, 02:42 AM	#16
Lost Texan "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Dallas Watch: TTSubC & DSSD Posts: 73	I love my new TT Sub C. Cannot stop looking at it.

1 March 2010, 02:47 AM	#18
Atomant "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Fernwood Posts: 3,455	I guess the new blue would onlyl go well with the WG. __________________ 116613LN 16600SD 16610LV 116710 16710 16570 Speedy 3570.50 PAM25 Oris TT1 and a bunch of G-Shocks. Flipped: Daytona 116520 Seamaster 2231.80

1 March 2010, 02:48 AM	#19
Deyn Man "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Real Name: Dean Location: Philippines Posts: 1,037	drooling on either the bluesy or the smurfy... but going back to your question, i think most have answered it already (dunno though if its the REAL answer but would have said the same) -- smurfy would match the ceramic better than the bluesy...

1 March 2010, 02:49 AM	#20
valentine Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Justin Location: Baltimore, MD Watch: TT Diamond DJ Posts: 2,809	cuz they be stupid?

1 March 2010, 02:52 AM	#21
yemenmocha "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Arizona Watch: SS & TT Daytonas Posts: 471	Older blue is clearly better. __________________ Day-Date President, Champagne Dial SS Daytona Black Dial TT Daytona Slate Dial Omega Railmaster Tudor Submariner

1 March 2010, 01:49 PM	#22
behardt "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Real Name: Yoda Location: USA Posts: 468	I think they wanted to modernize The older blue is kind of 1980. I think the new blue is classier. __________________ "The world embarrasses me, and I cannot dream that this watch exists and has no watchmaker." Voltaire

1 March 2010, 05:25 PM	#23
Leasky "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Real Name: Colin Leask. Location: Scotland, UK. Watch: 118238 YG DD. Posts: 723	I have to say that I prefer the Cobalt blue. The theory about getting the new blue to match to something else sounds very possible to me - why else change the "Sea blue" on a Sub to what looks like a lighter "Sky blue"?

1 March 2010, 06:49 PM	#24
MagedMS "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: Maged Location: Egypt Watch: SUBMARINER 114060 Posts: 514	The new Blue matches the Ceramic bezel material.. Looks new and rarely found on other watches brands.. And difficult to produce on fakes !!! Which makes the new Blue SUB unique.. For all who didn't see it in real,, please don't judge this color on your LCD screens.. Coz it's a beautiful blue. __________________ ROLEX SUBMARINER-114060/116610 LN/116613 LB ROLEX DEEPSEA-116660/116660 DBL/SD43-126600 ROLEX GMT II C-116710 LN/EXPLORER II-216570 BK ROLEX DAYTONA-116503 BLABR ROLEX MILLGAUSS-116400 GV

2 March 2010, 12:57 AM	#25
Gaijin 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Japan Watch: ing your back. Posts: 16,179	Hate the new blue. Old blue all the way..

2 March 2010, 02:12 AM	#26
Soupsandwich "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Robert Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 13	I love the blue WG blue Sub. Shares the "holy grail" spot along with a meteorite-dial Daytona. Robert

2 March 2010, 02:37 AM	#27
ral Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Philippines Posts: 650	This article has nice side by side shots of cobalt and smurf blue: Rolex Submariner 16613 vs. the Rolex Submariner 116613 Nice pics of the new WG version can be seen in this article: Review of the Rolex Submariner 116619

2 March 2010, 02:45 AM	#28
mic6 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Europe Watch: 116718 green Posts: 1,944	older blue is killer __________________

2 March 2010, 03:08 AM	#29
RLXSTR "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: Donald Location: Texas Watch: Sub5513 / Choc1675 Posts: 826	I've noticed the cobalt blue is sought after while many are steering away from the 'smurf' blue. It's easier to sell a 18K/SS cobalt blue Submariner than it is the new ceramic smurf. Not even sure why they went with the new blue. I sure hope they find a way to bring in a darker blue now that Rolex has turned to ceramic. I understand the ceramic doesn't fade and is alot more scratch resistant. But the smurf color is not a sale-able color.

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