Hello..... Newman!

[TARDIS]

It seems that quite a few forum members are buying up watches that have more than passing similaries to models costing many times their price. I have no problem with this (each to their own) however there is a point where one has to laugh at the nerve of a certain Chinese manufacturer who has a model which is named a 'Newman'.

Now for benefit of the less experienced.. this is a photo of a Newman Rolex Daytona:



This is the great man after whom the above watch was named:



OK? Fine, lets move on.....



Now boys and girls, take a look at this:




This is a photo of a Chinese made 'Newman':

I would suggest that the Newman that this is name after might be this fellow!



Most of us know this is the rotund postal worker who Seinfeld dislikes and always greets him "Oh hello....NEWMAN" in a disparaging tone.

Yeah I know I've read all about value for money etc etc, but to state this as a 'homage' watch is to me beyond the pale and laughable, hence my comparison which to me is amusing. I posted this as I think someone has a warped (dry) humor like me.

[Lol-x]

Yeah, I agree it is hardly a 'homage' watch. O.K. it is a watch, but as they say the best form of flattery is imitation.
Oh, and I so loved Newman from Seinfeld, that guy was one of my favorite characters, only problem is he didn't get a lot of show time, I guess because Jerry liked it better not seeing bumping into Newman.

[mikey]

I had the cream dial alph newman. I only sold it because I was not happy with how the sale experience. I have not personally ever held or touched the Rolex Cosmograph newman watch pictured above. If this watch is any detail of the multiple thousand dollar watch then I am all for it.

[amanda]

Lots of people on this site own these watches and they all rave about them. A few of the owners are very well respected enthusiasts - if they say they are great then thats enough for me.

My Alpha is running beautifully, its a strong solid watch and gives many other brands a run for their money. It's serving me well whilst I wait for my other watch to arrive. There's lots of posts about the Newman on this site already, they arent new news!

EDIT: I never liked Seinfeld or that horrible Newman guy!!!! Thats just my sense of humour tho...

[padi56]

Originally Posted by TARDIS

It seems that quite a few forum members are buying up watches that have more than passing similaries to models costing many times their price. I have no problem with this (each to their own) however there is a point where one has to laugh at the nerve of a certain Chinese manufacturer who has a model which is named a 'Newman'.
Now for benefit of the less experienced.. this is a photo of a Newman Rolex Daytona:


This is the great man after whom the above watch was named:

OK? Fine, lets move on.....



Now boys and girls, take a look at this:



This is a photo of a Chinese made 'Newman':

I would suggest that the Newman that this is name after might be this fellow!



Most of us know this is the rotund postal worker who Seinfeld dislikes and always greets him "Oh hello....NEWMAN" in a disparaging tone.

Yeah I know I've read all about value for money etc etc, but to state this as a 'homage' watch is to me beyond the pale and laughable, hence my comparison which to me is amusing. I posted this as I think someone has a warped (dry) humor like me.

Well myself own both a genuine what you call a Newman Rolex Daytona 6263, and the Alpha white and a black dial that I gave to my grandson.Both Alpha Newman watches are very accurate and very well built and very good value for the money.Sure they are similar to the Rolex 6263/5 but they are not built to deceive in any way.They are just Alpha watches like many other brands today making watches that look like other brands.Perhaps the same could be said of Rolex themselves,because the Blancpain 50 fathoms bears more than a striking resemblance the the Rolex sub.And the Blancpain was on the market almost a year before the Rolex sub.Now on this forum and several others I often see posts that poo Pooh ETA movement,yet in the 6263/5 they use a ETA Valjoux 72,but now its a Rolex Daytona and that somehow miraculously changes everything.Myself have not got a problem with any homage watches,fakes made to deceive with the brand name on dial yes.There is quite a debate how exactly how the Daytona exotic dial got the Newman name.But in reality its just a name like many others,and true Newman dials are normally considered to be three colour dials with the red minute markers.And in the 70s and 80s the Daytona's was a very poor seller,being a manual wind.And in the 80s a SS watch cost just £880,and at this time only the all Gold ones were COSC tested,but both SS and gold had exactly the same movement.And cannot see anywhere that it states its a homage,all it states its a Alpha Paul Newman Chronograph.Very much like Doxa calls there diving watches Subs.Rolex never called any of there Daytona's the Paul Newman,it was just a name that got associated to a particular sort of exotic Daytona dial.And at the time my Father really wanted the Sub but it was almost £200 dearer than the Daytona.So because the Daytona had been in the shop quite some time,they gave him a £25 discount.So thats the one he bought,wonder what most would choose today a 80s Daytona with a ETA movement.Or a 80s Rolex Sub with a Rolex in-house movement,or would the price, and how much its worth today,be the main factor.





Alpha Movement.


6263 Daytona Valjoux 72 movement.

[TARDIS]

Hey I didn't get one on this!

You guys must be a joy to live with.

Where are your thoughts JJ?

[JJ Irani]

Originally Posted by TARDIS

[SIZE="2"]
[COLOR="Blue"]Where are your thoughts JJ?

That I cannot mix Alpha and Rolex into the same sentence!!

[TARDIS]

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

That I cannot mix Alpha and Rolex into the same sentence!!

OR EVEN ALPHA WITH OMEGA!

[Welshwatchman]

The Alpha daytona 'homage' watch is made in China, possibly in the same huge factory as the Rolex daytona fakes. The only difference being the logo on the dial.

Homage, fake, replica? I guess it's all in the name.

[Spark]

Originally Posted by Welshwatchman

The Alpha daytona 'homage' watch is made in China, possibly in the same huge factory as the Rolex daytona fakes. The only difference being the logo on the dial.

Homage, fake, replica? I guess it's all in the name.

Homage and Replica are usually just words to justify FAKE to make FAKE less offensive and more acceptable, but at least they don't put Rolex on the dial of the Newman watch for that they deserve some credit IMO.
It is the dial which is so appealing about the so called Newman Daytona, so I guess people with less than £30,000/$60,000 to spend can enjoy the look of the watch, myself I prefer the 6263/5 with the dial Padi has on his, which strangely is the Watch Mr Newman wears himself to this day and has done since his wife Joanne Woodward bought him one as a gift in around 1972.

[padi56]

Originally Posted by Spark

Homage and Replica are usually just words to justify FAKE to make FAKE less offensive and more acceptable, but at least they don't put Rolex on the dial of the Newman watch for that they deserve some credit IMO.
It is the dial which is so appealing about the so called Newman Daytona, so I guess people with less than £30,000/$60,000 to spend can enjoy the look of the watch, myself I prefer the 6263/5 with the dial Padi has on his, which strangely is the Watch Mr Newman wears himself to this day and has done since his wife Joanne Woodward bought him one as a gift in around 1972.

Well myself can enjoy all watches whether wearing the 6263 or the Alpha I am still the same person,and dont change in any way.But myself not got any problem at all with any homage watches.Like I said above you could say that Rolex played homage to the Blancpain 50 fathom. It bares a quite remakable resemblence to the early 50s Rolex Sub,you could say the same for the Alpha to the Vintage Daytona a resemlence but nothing more.But fakes now thats a totally different matter, with the brand they are faking on the dial or goods.Again a replica again not a problem with myself,like many will have a replica made of a expensive bit of jewelry you might own.But a fake in my book is something thats purposely made to deceive, that the product is the real thing.And not talking pacifically about these cheap fakes you can buy on holiday.I am talking about some of the fakes that can even fool the real experts.

[Spark]

Originally Posted by padi56

Well myself can enjoy all watches whether wearing the 6263 or the Alpha I am still the same person,and dont change in any way.But myself not got any problem at all with any homage watches.Like I said above you could say that Rolex played homage to the Blancpain 50 fathom. It bares a quite remakable resemblence to the early 50s Rolex Sub,you could say the same for the Alpha to the Vintage Daytona a resemlence but nothing more.But fakes now thats a totally different matter, with the brand they are faking on the dial or goods.Again a replica again not a problem with myself,like many will have a replica made of a expensive bit of jewelry you might own.But a fake in my book is something thats purposely made to deceive, that the product is the real thing.And not talking pacifically about these cheap fakes you can buy on holiday.I am talking about some of the fakes that can even fool the real experts.

Hopefully we are on a similar wavelength here Padi.
I can see where you are coming from with the 50 Fathom, which is a watch I have long admired and curse the day I missed one for £500 about a year ago.
I think the Rolex Submariner is probably the most copied watch in history with just about every make known to man and a few unknown to anybody having a divers watch with Oyster bracelet, black dial with luminous triangle at 12 O'Clock and Mercedes hands.
If however a watch makes you smile then it is good for you and to that end it doesn't really matter.
I do still think you have the true Newman Daytona though, not the exotic dialled one everyone accepts as the Newman Daytona.
Personal opinion, but that is what everything is with watches and all other matters including the two never to be spoken politics and religion.

[padi56]

Originally Posted by Spark

Hopefully we are on a similar wavelength here Padi.
I can see where you are coming from with the 50 Fathom, which is a watch I have long admired and curse the day I missed one for £500 about a year ago.
I do still think you have the true Newman Daytona though, not the exotic dialled one everyone accepts as the Newman Daytona.
Personal opinion, but that is what everything is with watches and all other matters including the two never to be spoken politics and religion.

Yes the Newman debate have been going on for years,but if everyone was perfectly honest.If you took the name Rolex of the dial,the vintage Daytona would not even get a look.By the average watch enthusiast,a few on this forum, and many others, would not buy on think that ETA is a inferior movement.But because the name Rolex or perhaps its the price,and thought of owning now make them very sort after.There are many other brands out there of the same period,with exactly the same Valjoux movement.But you can pick them up for very little money,it just shows the power of the Rolex name.But it makes me think do most buy a name,or do they just buy a watch.

[TARDIS]

Wow you guys have gone in depth on this!

I only posted this as a laugh. Maybe I should've put it the Jokes section.

[padi56]

Originally Posted by TARDIS

Wow you guys have gone in depth on this!

I only posted this as a laugh. Maybe I should've put it the Jokes section.

Not in depth at all, just the simple truth, and most of the real facts.

[mikey]

Seriously, the name, Rolex, sells. We are a society driven to luxury items if we can afford them. It doesn't matter if Rolex isn't accurate to the second. As for the in depth explanation, the alpha homage is a replica of the 6263. How could this not be a debate on that? What other watch in the world does that watch look like?? The entire alpha watch line is based on replicating other Rolex, Paneria, Patek models. The list goes on and on. Homage and Replica do co-exist in the same sentence. Alpha is cool nonetheless

[padi56]

Originally Posted by mikey

Seriously, the name, Rolex, sells. We are a society driven to luxury items if we can afford them. It doesn't matter if Rolex isn't accurate to the second. As for the in depth explanation, the alpha homage is a replica of the 6263. How could this not be a debate on that? What other watch in the world does that watch look like?? The entire alpha watch line is based on replicating other Rolex, Paneria, Patek models. The list goes on and on. Homage and Replica do co-exist in the same sentence. Alpha is cool nonetheless

Well there are quite a few brands around that look similar to the 6263/5 are they paying homage to Rolex or visa versa.And can assure you that myself not driven to buy any luxury items whether I can afford them or not.Myself quite happy to wear a Alpha or my Rolex 6263.And no matter what watch I am wearing I will still be the same person.And that you can never change even by what you, or anyone wears.





Bucherer featuring Lemania 873 movement is this a Rolex homage,made far before Rolex started the Daytona.





Heuer Autavia featuring Valjoux 7736 movement perhaps a Daytona homage too again predates the Daytona 6263 range and there are plenty more.




Blancpain 50 fathoms in production almost a year before the Rolex Sub is
the Rolex sub below a homage to the Blancpain, there is a unmistakable striking resemblance and the first Rolex model sub had plain stick hands as well,and a different bezel with no minute markers.




Early Rolex Sub.

[Spark]

Originally Posted by padi56

Yes the Newman debate have been going on for years,but if everyone was perfectly honest.If you took the name Rolex of the dial,the vintage Daytona would not even get a look.By the average watch enthusiast,a few on this forum, and many others, would not buy on think that ETA is a inferior movement.But because the name Rolex or perhaps its the price,and thought of owning now make them very sort after.There are many other brands out there of the same period,with exactly the same Valjoux movement.But you can pick them up for very little money,it just shows the power of the Rolex name.But it makes me think do most buy a name,or do they just buy a watch.

I agree whole heartedly on all points in this and your later posts, but I personally would look at least twice at the 6263 etc as I find the watch stunning, my other half says it looks like a Philishave and she is probably correct, but that silver dial with black subs and black bezel are the business in my eyes whether it says Rolex on the dial or not.
I wouldn't have the engraved Tachy it has to be the black acrylic or nothing.
As for ETA movements Omega, Heuer and Tag Heuer, Longines and Tudor well I for one am not going to argue with that list as to the movement quality.

[Spark]

Originally Posted by TARDIS

Wow you guys have gone in depth on this!

I only posted this as a laugh. Maybe I should've put it the Jokes section.

Not too serious, just sparked a conversation really no harm in that and the humour wasn't completely lost HONEST

[padi56]

Originally Posted by Spark

I agree whole heartedly on all points in this and your later posts, but I personally would look at least twice at the 6263 etc as I find the watch stunning, my other half says it looks like a Philishave and she is probably correct, but that silver dial with black subs and black bezel are the business in my eyes whether it says Rolex on the dial or not.
I wouldn't have the engraved Tachy it has to be the black acrylic or nothing.
As for ETA movements Omega, Heuer and Tag Heuer, Longines and Tudor well I for one am not going to argue with that list as to the movement quality.

Thank you and at last a guy who looks with his own eyes,not not what the brochure or media dictates.

Originally Posted by Spark

Not too serious, just sparked a conversation really no harm in that and the humour wasn't completely lost HONEST

Yes I could see the funny side of it too,but funny don't always equal the true facts.