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Alex_sks · 27 May 2010, 09:29 PM

I bought my Pam 312 K last year on september 09.
The watch was BNIB with papers and accesories.
I wear it nearly everyday and the accuracy was quite good, by the month it happen that the watch stopped twice.
That wasn't a big problem as i though that it wasn't enought wound. But this problem become more and more regular and this month my Pam 312 breakdown finally.

I am quite disapointed because this is my first Panerai and i was expecting on the quality and reliablity of such a watch.
I also own 2 Rolex and I never had any trouble with them.

I don't know what is the problem exactely, I though that Panerai work hard on quality control and test all watches perfectly before putting them on the market...

I am hesitating between Paris or HK service centre, any advice !!!

Cheers.

andrew79 · 27 May 2010, 09:53 PM

just got my first pam 3 weeks ago and i flipped to another model... hope it doesn't have movement defect etc otherwise i will

Kapture1 · 27 May 2010, 09:55 PM

Still under warranty?

Psmith · 27 May 2010, 10:06 PM

Sorry to hear. Warranty job, no doubt

Cheers

andrew79 · 27 May 2010, 10:07 PM

yes... should be under warranty

Psmith · 27 May 2010, 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andrew79

just got my first pam 3 weeks ago and i flipped to another model... hope it doesn't have movement defect etc otherwise i will

Hi Andrew - your ex- 000 and new 111 use a movement that's been around for years. Most of the Historic range use base ETA movements that have been re-engineered to some degree by Panerai. The 111's movement is based on the Unitas 6497, which is rugged and relatively simple. Any competent watchmaker should be able to fix/service it. It also looks good and is capable of great accuracy.

Cheers

andrew79 · 27 May 2010, 10:47 PM

yes, clive... thanks.. i know that and i hope for the strongest quality from a pam.... :) that is what a pam should be, simple, elegant, strong !

Psmith · 27 May 2010, 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andrew79

yes, clive... thanks.. i know that and i hope for the strongest quality from a pam.... :) that is what a pam should be, simple, elegant, strong !

Yes, I think you've got the best one Andrew

Cheers

ckcspice · 28 May 2010, 01:03 AM

so pam in-house mvmt not as reliable as ETA or UNITAS??...hmmm....

htc8p · 4 June 2010, 12:47 PM

sorry to hear that.

but my 112 is rock solid and dependable. i also chose it because its simple movement

sort of like a pocket watch on your wrist.

Uros · 14 June 2010, 07:41 PM

Sorry but I have to add to this my experience as well...

Bought my 312 less than 2 months ago and it has stopped for two times. Last time it stopped I looked at the back and i was amazed to see small screw which comletely fell of and bloked mechanism inside...Lucky for me it was 10 minutes job in local AD but still I was so dissapointed...

So check the screws not wandering around...

Just hope it will not happen in the future...but the watch does look amazing:))))

jdH · 14 June 2010, 08:03 PM

Uros is your pam K or L series?

Uros · 14 June 2010, 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdH

Uros is your pam K or L series?

Its L series...

Now when I look at it I first look whether is small second hand working and then what time it is:))

paulshih · 16 June 2010, 10:49 PM

i would definitely take it to a service center to get it checked out!

i bought my 312L a couple months ago and it's great so far! (knock on wood)
gains about 6s/day, but not really a big deal for me.

the 312 is a great piece!!

B. Doggy · 16 June 2010, 11:42 PM

Mine runs perfectly!!!

kilyung · 17 June 2010, 01:36 PM

Bought my L back in March and it was running 15 secs fast. I sent it TX and got it back in two weeks (!!!). It's now spot on. My guess is Panerai could do a better job of regulating before shipping but nothing inherently wrong with the in-house movement.

Of course my 111/005 were dead accurate OOTB but we're talking about time tested and proven movements in those.

bigmikebee · 19 June 2010, 11:07 PM

i ve herd this from 9 different 312 owners. problems problems and more problems.

Tommysol · 20 June 2010, 12:24 AM

When I pulled out the crown to move the hands to set the time....the hour hand would only move forwards and not backwards.

I think we are the guinea pigs for these early 3 day in-house movements. Not a big deal...but it makes you wonder why these in-house movements were developed in the first place if no more reliable and accurate than the base movements in older Panerai's. I think Swatch had a lot to do with forcing Panerai to make in-house movements than it was Panerai wanting to be a movement manufacturer.

ckcspice · 21 June 2010, 12:40 PM

guess i m gona put my plans 2 hunt for the 312 on hold for the moment...great info n feedback guys...n thanks 4 sharing...cheers

27 May 2010, 09:29 PM	#1
Alex_sks Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Hong Kong & Paris Watch: Rollie and Pam Posts: 58	Bad experience with my Pam 312 I bought my Pam 312 K last year on september 09. The watch was BNIB with papers and accesories. I wear it nearly everyday and the accuracy was quite good, by the month it happen that the watch stopped twice. That wasn't a big problem as i though that it wasn't enought wound. But this problem become more and more regular and this month my Pam 312 breakdown finally. I am quite disapointed because this is my first Panerai and i was expecting on the quality and reliablity of such a watch. I also own 2 Rolex and I never had any trouble with them. I don't know what is the problem exactely, I though that Panerai work hard on quality control and test all watches perfectly before putting them on the market... I am hesitating between Paris or HK service centre, any advice !!! Cheers.

27 May 2010, 09:53 PM	#2
andrew79 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Real Name: Andrew Location: Indonesia Watch: Rolex Posts: 2,277	just got my first pam 3 weeks ago and i flipped to another model... hope it doesn't have movement defect etc otherwise i will __________________ Baume & Mercier Riviera Rolex GMT II c, DJ 116234, Sub 16610, EXP 2 16570 Panerai 111 , 232

27 May 2010, 09:55 PM	#3
Kapture1 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: Matt Location: Flint, MI Watch: Ω 3570.50.00 Posts: 2,058	Still under warranty? __________________ Miss you JJ Wash out this tired notion that the best is yet to come

27 May 2010, 10:06 PM	#4
Psmith "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Real Name: Clive Location: Exoplanet Watch: spring-driven Posts: 38,855	Sorry to hear. Warranty job, no doubt Cheers __________________

27 May 2010, 10:07 PM	#5
andrew79 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Real Name: Andrew Location: Indonesia Watch: Rolex Posts: 2,277	yes... should be under warranty __________________ Baume & Mercier Riviera Rolex GMT II c, DJ 116234, Sub 16610, EXP 2 16570 Panerai 111 , 232

27 May 2010, 10:47 PM	#7
andrew79 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Real Name: Andrew Location: Indonesia Watch: Rolex Posts: 2,277	yes, clive... thanks.. i know that and i hope for the strongest quality from a pam.... :) that is what a pam should be, simple, elegant, strong ! __________________ Baume & Mercier Riviera Rolex GMT II c, DJ 116234, Sub 16610, EXP 2 16570 Panerai 111 , 232

28 May 2010, 01:03 AM	#9
ckcspice Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Real Name: damon Location: Malaysia Watch: 16610 Posts: 95	so pam in-house mvmt not as reliable as ETA or UNITAS??...hmmm....

4 June 2010, 12:47 PM	#10
htc8p "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: Bert Location: philippines Watch: 116710 ln Posts: 3,490	sorry to hear that. but my 112 is rock solid and dependable. i also chose it because its simple movement sort of like a pocket watch on your wrist.

14 June 2010, 07:41 PM	#11
Uros "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Europe Posts: 447	Sorry but I have to add to this my experience as well... Bought my 312 less than 2 months ago and it has stopped for two times. Last time it stopped I looked at the back and i was amazed to see small screw which comletely fell of and bloked mechanism inside...Lucky for me it was 10 minutes job in local AD but still I was so dissapointed... So check the screws not wandering around... Just hope it will not happen in the future...but the watch does look amazing:))))

14 June 2010, 08:03 PM	#12
jdH "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: South Posts: 285	Uros is your pam K or L series?

16 June 2010, 10:49 PM	#14
paulshih "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Real Name: Paul Location: Taipei, Taiwan Watch: PP5711 BLUE Posts: 49	i would definitely take it to a service center to get it checked out! i bought my 312L a couple months ago and it's great so far! (knock on wood) gains about 6s/day, but not really a big deal for me. the 312 is a great piece!!

16 June 2010, 11:42 PM	#15
B. Doggy "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Real Name: Bryan Location: Oregon Posts: 7,399	Mine runs perfectly!!! __________________ Rolex / Panerai / Omega

17 June 2010, 01:36 PM	#16
kilyung "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Cave Watch: Sundial Posts: 33,954	Bought my L back in March and it was running 15 secs fast. I sent it TX and got it back in two weeks (!!!). It's now spot on. My guess is Panerai could do a better job of regulating before shipping but nothing inherently wrong with the in-house movement. Of course my 111/005 were dead accurate OOTB but we're talking about time tested and proven movements in those.

19 June 2010, 11:07 PM	#17
bigmikebee "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: USA Posts: 359	i ve herd this from 9 different 312 owners. problems problems and more problems.

20 June 2010, 12:24 AM	#18
Tommysol "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: California Posts: 591	My 312 is in for servicing as we speak as well..... When I pulled out the crown to move the hands to set the time....the hour hand would only move forwards and not backwards. I think we are the guinea pigs for these early 3 day in-house movements. Not a big deal...but it makes you wonder why these in-house movements were developed in the first place if no more reliable and accurate than the base movements in older Panerai's. I think Swatch had a lot to do with forcing Panerai to make in-house movements than it was Panerai wanting to be a movement manufacturer.

21 June 2010, 12:40 PM	#19
ckcspice Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Real Name: damon Location: Malaysia Watch: 16610 Posts: 95	guess i m gona put my plans 2 hunt for the 312 on hold for the moment...great info n feedback guys...n thanks 4 sharing...cheers

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