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Chimpy · 17 March 2007, 04:21 AM

I was putzing around on my lunch break an hour ago and damned if I should have had my camera.

A local watch dealer had a gorgeous TT Blue Sub. I took a few minutes to inspect it up and down, listening to the salesman tell me how great of a watch, accurate, durable, blazi blazi blazi.

I ask if it's genuine, and he swears up and down that it is.

Guess he didn't think I'd notice the etched coronet on the crystal had 6 points on it instead of the 5 it should have had.

Tommer · 17 March 2007, 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Chimpy

Guess he didn't think I'd notice the etched coronet on the crystal had 6 points on it instead of the 5 it should have had.

i am a newbie here, can you explain what is this 6 points thing?

pcarson · 17 March 2007, 05:05 AM

There's a nice thread that deals with this if you look a bit further down the forums. Since about 2002, Rolex has been phasing in a laser-etched coronet (their logo) at 6 o'clock on the saphire crystal. It's a bit tricky to see and almost impossible without some sort of magnification. Fakes now have them but they're usually sloppy. Six points is really sloppy, but I guess it's the thought that counts. Check out the thread, there's nice pictures and some tips for finding it.

colemanitis · 17 March 2007, 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Tommer

i am a newbie here, can you explain what is this 6 points thing?

Coronet with 5 points.

Alex Stylianou · 17 March 2007, 05:09 AM

Well Done

Prince · 17 March 2007, 05:14 AM

Don't discount the (unlikely) possibility that ONLY the sapphire crystal itself is an off-brand item, and that the rest of the watch is actually authentic. In any event, the watch would not be original, and certainly not totally authentic Rolex. The only really fail-safe method of verifying the authenticity of the watch is for an AD RSC to examine it thoroughly.

Tommer · 17 March 2007, 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by pcarson

Since about 2002, Rolex has been phasing in a laser-etched coronet (their logo) at 6 o'clock on the saphire crystal.

my sub was made back in 93' maybe this is why i didn't see one on my, but thanks for the info, learn something new here everyday.

Ironstark · 17 March 2007, 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by colemanitis

Coronet with 5 points.

Just to add to this, if for whatever reason the glass has to be replaced, the new genuine glass will have an "S" horizontially in the elipse in the base of the "crown"/"coronet". This is to signify it has been replaced, the "S" stands for service. The coronets without the "S" are only used in the factory in the production line. Actually the coronet is etched in the glass after it has been fitted to the watch, it`s done by laser, I saw it demonstrated the last time I was in Geneva.

Fiwi · 17 March 2007, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Chimpy

Guess he didn't think I'd notice the etched coronet on the crystal had 6 points on it instead of the 5 it should have had.

Did you point it out to him? If so, what did he say?

Prince · 17 March 2007, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Ironstark

Just to add to this, if for whatever reason the glass has to be replaced, the new genuine glass will have an "S" horizontially in the elipse in the base of the "crown"/"coronet". This is to signify it has been replaced, the "S" stands for service...

Indeed. I had my Datejust's sapphire crystal replaced, due to some small chips on the sides (I knew they were there!!!), and it has the horizontal "S" at the base of the coronet.

It would be interesting to see what is the case with the watch Chimpy is discussing. I suspect that if the watch itself is authentic, then it is possible that the crystal has been replaced with a third-party poor relative of the genuine article. Or...the entire watch is a fake! Either way, it is not a totally authentic Rolex.

Ragu · 17 March 2007, 12:29 PM

Geezzz,
and I thought you were gonna talk about "falsies" (+)(+)

Prince · 17 March 2007, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Ragu

Geezzz,
and I thought you were gonna talk about "falsies"

LOL - so did I!!!

JJ Irani · 17 March 2007, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Ragu

Geezzz,
and I thought you were gonna talk about "falsies"

That's right....the bugger got me all excited!!

Ragu · 17 March 2007, 12:42 PM

JJ,
now don't make your "herd" jealous now.

Prince · 17 March 2007, 12:43 PM

Here ya go, JJ. Wouldn't want you to be disappointed!

JJ Irani · 17 March 2007, 12:55 PM

Chimpy · 17 March 2007, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Fiwi

Did you point it out to him? If so, what did he say?

No I didn't. I wasn't going to get into it with him.

To the posters regarding the replaced third-party crystals, I abandoned that thought after he started telling me it was brand new from the factory.

Tommer · 17 March 2007, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by pcarson

Since about 2002, Rolex has been phasing in a laser-etched coronet (their logo) at 6 o'clock on the saphire crystal.

yes indeed, i just saw my wife's datejust, she has an Y series, took me a while to spot it, you can't really see it with your visible eyes but with magnify glass and tilt angle; bingo, this is cool, thanks for the information pcarson

pcarson · 17 March 2007, 02:06 PM

You're welcome. Once you get the knack, you'll never miss one again (if it's there!).

Arturo · 17 March 2007, 02:13 PM

So did you bust the twirp trying to sell the fako?

Blue Bull · 17 March 2007, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Arturo

So did you bust the twirp trying to sell the fako?

Very good point Mr Lawman ..

He should be busted,because he is going to sell the rubbish to the uninformed.Not fair

Wayno · 17 March 2007, 02:24 PM

I am not a fan of any "falsies" watch or otherwise

Chimpy · 17 March 2007, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Blue Bull

Very good point Mr Lawman ..

He should be busted,because he is going to sell the rubbish to the uninformed.Not fair

Who do I bring this information to to have him busted? I'm hardly thinking of standing outside his booth with a sign that informs the public of his trade secrets.

Arturo · 17 March 2007, 02:42 PM

I am a nasty guy in those situations. I would probably have smiled and started to cross examine him in front of his clients. I can get into a mean zone. But he deserves it if he really knows that it is a fake. He is committing fraud, and false advertising and theft. So once he was exposed as a fraud in front of his customers, I would report him to the Rolex master narc squad wherever they are.

Gaijin · 17 March 2007, 02:49 PM

The guy is a thief. Plain and simple...and a scumbag. I say that though only if he really knows it is a fake. If he runs a watch shop he shoud know. No excuses. However he really has not committed a crime until the watch is actually sold. Then the buyer becomes the victim and you have a crime. Just possesing the watch (even for sale) is not something that most police departments have time to deal with.

No complainant, no crime is how most Police Agencies operate. Budget cuts and staffing issues. Its not going to be a priority to them unless it is made one by someone who got ripped off. Even then I could see them refering the victim to civil court saying that it is a civil matter and not a criminal one.

17 March 2007, 04:21 AM	#1
Chimpy "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Real Name: Ryan Location: New England Watch: Omega AT Posts: 61	A $6800falsie was found today.... I was putzing around on my lunch break an hour ago and damned if I should have had my camera. A local watch dealer had a gorgeous TT Blue Sub. I took a few minutes to inspect it up and down, listening to the salesman tell me how great of a watch, accurate, durable, blazi blazi blazi. I ask if it's genuine, and he swears up and down that it is. Guess he didn't think I'd notice the etched coronet on the crystal had 6 points on it instead of the 5 it should have had.

17 March 2007, 05:14 AM	#6
Prince "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Real Name: Allan Location: St. Augustine, FL Watch: Daytona/Sub/GMT/DJ Posts: 20,323	Don't discount the (unlikely) possibility that ONLY the sapphire crystal itself is an off-brand item, and that the rest of the watch is actually authentic. In any event, the watch would not be original, and certainly not totally authentic Rolex. The only really fail-safe method of verifying the authenticity of the watch is for an AD RSC to examine it thoroughly. __________________ Member: Rolex Keeper's Society "You see, you can't please everyone, so you got to please yourself." - Rick Nelson

17 March 2007, 12:29 PM	#11
Ragu "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Real Name: Ragu Sauce Location: Southern, FL Watch: the Sauce ;) Posts: 782	Geezzz, and I thought you were gonna talk about "falsies" (+)(+) __________________ "Waiting is so time consuming" -- Unknown Proud Member #2391

17 March 2007, 12:42 PM	#14
Ragu "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Real Name: Ragu Sauce Location: Southern, FL Watch: the Sauce ;) Posts: 782	JJ, now don't make your "herd" jealous now. __________________ "Waiting is so time consuming" -- Unknown Proud Member #2391

17 March 2007, 12:43 PM	#15
Prince "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Real Name: Allan Location: St. Augustine, FL Watch: Daytona/Sub/GMT/DJ Posts: 20,323	Here ya go, JJ. Wouldn't want you to be disappointed! __________________ Member: Rolex Keeper's Society "You see, you can't please everyone, so you got to please yourself." - Rick Nelson

17 March 2007, 05:05 AM	#3
pcarson Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Real Name: Peter Carson Location: Australia Watch: 16610 Sub Date Posts: 265	There's a nice thread that deals with this if you look a bit further down the forums. Since about 2002, Rolex has been phasing in a laser-etched coronet (their logo) at 6 o'clock on the saphire crystal. It's a bit tricky to see and almost impossible without some sort of magnification. Fakes now have them but they're usually sloppy. Six points is really sloppy, but I guess it's the thought that counts. Check out the thread, there's nice pictures and some tips for finding it.

17 March 2007, 05:09 AM	#5
Alex Stylianou "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: UK Posts: 1,785	Well Done

17 March 2007, 12:55 PM	#16
JJ Irani Fondly Remembered Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: JJ Location: Auckland, NZ Watch: ALL SOLD!! Posts: 74,319	__________________ Words fail me in expressing my utmost thanks to ALL of you for this wonderful support during my hour of need!! I firmly believe that my time on planet earth is NOT yet up!! I shall fight this to the very end.......and WIN!!

17 March 2007, 02:06 PM	#19
pcarson Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Real Name: Peter Carson Location: Australia Watch: 16610 Sub Date Posts: 265	You're welcome. Once you get the knack, you'll never miss one again (if it's there!).

17 March 2007, 02:13 PM	#20
Arturo "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: Arturo Location: Pacific Northwest Watch: Black GMT ll Posts: 1,271	So did you bust the twirp trying to sell the fako?

17 March 2007, 02:24 PM	#22
Wayno Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Real Name: Wayne Location: Nashville, TN. Watch: TTDJ Posts: 275	I am not a fan of any "falsies" watch or otherwise

17 March 2007, 02:42 PM	#24
Arturo "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: Arturo Location: Pacific Northwest Watch: Black GMT ll Posts: 1,271	I am a nasty guy in those situations. I would probably have smiled and started to cross examine him in front of his clients. I can get into a mean zone. But he deserves it if he really knows that it is a fake. He is committing fraud, and false advertising and theft. So once he was exposed as a fraud in front of his customers, I would report him to the Rolex master narc squad wherever they are.

17 March 2007, 02:49 PM	#25
Gaijin 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Japan Watch: ing your back. Posts: 16,179	The guy is a thief. Plain and simple...and a scumbag. I say that though only if he really knows it is a fake. If he runs a watch shop he shoud know. No excuses. However he really has not committed a crime until the watch is actually sold. Then the buyer becomes the victim and you have a crime. Just possesing the watch (even for sale) is not something that most police departments have time to deal with. No complainant, no crime is how most Police Agencies operate. Budget cuts and staffing issues. Its not going to be a priority to them unless it is made one by someone who got ripped off. Even then I could see them refering the victim to civil court saying that it is a civil matter and not a criminal one.

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