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Sunshine · 10 August 2010, 09:47 PM

This is a picture of a 2002 and 2003 3185 movement. I can’t get over the difference in the two? Could one be a fake? Or did they change that much in one year. I can’t 100% confirm the dates and from other websites it’s hard to pick out which one is correct or if they just changed? I am not up to date with the 3185 movement but I am looking to buy a GMT so I would like to get to know it a little better. Hell it might be me are they the same

2002 54-5.jpg

54-6.jpg

2003 F415n.jpg

F415o.jpg

rajurama · 10 August 2010, 09:55 PM

Jackxv · 10 August 2010, 10:01 PM

Seems the same to me, please enlighten me with the differences you see.

Jack

Flyjet601 · 10 August 2010, 10:32 PM

looks the same to me too

Colnago · 10 August 2010, 10:35 PM

I think it's basically just the lighting.....it seems very different in each of the pictures....movement looks the same to me too

padi56 · 10 August 2010, 10:38 PM

The cal 3185 was introduced 1988/9 and has remained unchanged though out its life to present day.There was a slight modification to the cal 3185 quite recently into the cal 3186 that gave slightly better second time zone setting.Same for the Cal 3135 introduction 1988/9 and unchanged except now some have the in-house escapement parts.The only difference I can see is the winding rotor is in different positions in the pictures.

Sunshine · 10 August 2010, 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jackxv

Seems the same to me, please enlighten me with the differences you see.

Jack

I am not sure

I think it's me over analyzing the watch.

Andad · 10 August 2010, 10:55 PM

Wizzys do that.

Welshwatchman · 10 August 2010, 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sunshine

This is a picture of a 2002 and 2003 3185 movement. I can’t get over the difference in the two?

One difference as far as I can see.

The resting position of the winding rotor on the second picture is a couple of cm clockwise. Considering it spins freely to do it's job this should not be something to get concerned about.

1.jpg 2.jpg

Are you sure you're not just pulling our tails?

sakuraba · 10 August 2010, 11:52 PM

+1 Paul.

The rotor position is giving you a peek of different parts of the movement.

roger0770 · 11 August 2010, 01:22 AM

all 3185 movements are the same. can't tell which is real or fake from just ONE shot. if you want authenticity check, it's best to take them to an experienced rolex certified watchmaker. otherwise, like many have said above, they both look the same except the positioning of the escapement wheel.

ayres · 11 August 2010, 02:43 AM

the photo of the second watch shown is not over exposed. some watch people/jewelers will take their photos under those high-powered work bench lamps, and it washes everything out.

Tools · 11 August 2010, 02:46 AM

They are all fine..

Nobody makes a fake 3185........

scl6118 · 11 August 2010, 03:56 AM

Lighting is the difference it seems.

10 August 2010, 09:47 PM	#1
Sunshine "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: James Location: Republic of Domin Watch: 116400GV Posts: 733	3185 movement ???? This is a picture of a 2002 and 2003 3185 movement. I can’t get over the difference in the two? Could one be a fake? Or did they change that much in one year. I can’t 100% confirm the dates and from other websites it’s hard to pick out which one is correct or if they just changed? I am not up to date with the 3185 movement but I am looking to buy a GMT so I would like to get to know it a little better. Hell it might be me are they the same 2002 54-5.jpg 54-6.jpg 2003 F415n.jpg F415o.jpg

10 August 2010, 09:55 PM	#2
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Flyjet601 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Hong Kong Watch: All of them Posts: 2,789	looks the same to me too __________________ I used to be indecisive, now I'm not sure

10 August 2010, 10:35 PM	#5
Colnago "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Real Name: Bill Hart Location: Richmond, NY, UK Watch: Rlx=3, Tdr=3, Om=3 Posts: 3,053	I think it's basically just the lighting.....it seems very different in each of the pictures....movement looks the same to me too __________________ Bill "There's only three kinds of people in this world....those that can count....and those that can't" TRF's "JJ's" Bar & NightClub Patron

10 August 2010, 10:38 PM	#6
padi56 "TRF" Life Patron Join Date: Jun 2005 Real Name: Peter Location: Llanfairpwllgwyng Watch: ing you. Posts: 53,035	The cal 3185 was introduced 1988/9 and has remained unchanged though out its life to present day.There was a slight modification to the cal 3185 quite recently into the cal 3186 that gave slightly better second time zone setting.Same for the Cal 3135 introduction 1988/9 and unchanged except now some have the in-house escapement parts.The only difference I can see is the winding rotor is in different positions in the pictures. __________________ ICom Pro3 All posts are my own opinion and my opinion only. "The clock of life is wound but once, and no man has the power to tell just when the hands will stop. Now is the only time you actually own the time, Place no faith in time, for the clock may soon be still for ever." Good Judgement comes from experience,experience comes from Bad Judgement,.Buy quality, cry once; buy cheap, cry again and again. www.mc0yad.club Second in command CEO and left handed watch winder

10 August 2010, 10:01 PM	#3
Jackxv "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 969	Seems the same to me, please enlighten me with the differences you see. Jack

10 August 2010, 10:55 PM	#8
Andad 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Eddie Location: Australia Watch: A few. Posts: 37,484	Wizzys do that. __________________ E

10 August 2010, 11:52 PM	#10
sakuraba "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2009 Real Name: Jib Location: SJ, California Watch: sun dial Posts: 8,189	+1 Paul. The rotor position is giving you a peek of different parts of the movement. __________________ F 14000 AirKing black F 16710 GMT Pepsi F 16570 Explorer II white T 16600 SD D 16610 LV "fine quality is remembered long after the pain of spending money" -Steve Mulholland

11 August 2010, 01:22 AM	#11
roger0770 Banned Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: On Earth Watch: A Few Posts: 1,510	all 3185 movements are the same. can't tell which is real or fake from just ONE shot. if you want authenticity check, it's best to take them to an experienced rolex certified watchmaker. otherwise, like many have said above, they both look the same except the positioning of the escapement wheel.

11 August 2010, 02:43 AM	#12
ayres "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: honolulu Watch: whatever runs Posts: 551	the photo of the second watch shown is not over exposed. some watch people/jewelers will take their photos under those high-powered work bench lamps, and it washes everything out.

11 August 2010, 02:46 AM	#13
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,494	They are all fine.. Nobody makes a fake 3185........ __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

11 August 2010, 03:56 AM	#14
scl6118 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: Shawn Location: United States Watch: SS GMT IIC Posts: 1,624	Lighting is the difference it seems. __________________ Current: SS GMT IIC Former: Panerai 114 Former: Breitling Hercules :

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