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SUPERDOC · 25 August 2010, 09:31 PM

Does anyone else feel this way?

For a while my only issue with the GMT was that it lacked a certain

'Rolexesque' quality...

A number of times I considered trading it back for a 16610...

I saw the new sub the other day and I have to say, it's a fine watch, and If I were to buy a SS sub, it would be the 116610 over the 16610, but, it was nothing really special.

What it did for me was instantly make me love my GMTc even more!!

I think that the Sub sets the standard for Rolex, and now my GMT "feels" like a Rolex, and I love it more than ever!!!

dddrees · 25 August 2010, 09:35 PM

I've have not had the privledge of owning a Sub, but since the GMTIIC and the SUB look so much alike I am not sure that I will ever see the need of owning a Sub.

If I get another, I currently would like to have a SS Daytona.

Rolesor · 25 August 2010, 10:55 PM

The watches are very similar up front - to the non-wis they may only really notice the PCL's verses brushed bracelet of the sub and MAYBE that the bezels are different but I doubt they'd notice that lol

To us there are very obvious differences and uses for the watch but I concur with your statement - it would be one or the other for me!

Unless the GMT was TT, then maybe I'd still get a Sub C :) just MHO

theken · 25 August 2010, 11:25 PM

In my eyes, the new 116610 Sub Date-C is almost identical in appearance to the iconic 16610 Sub date that it replaced.
In contrast, the 116710 GMT2-C and 16710 GMT2 are very different in appearance.
I agree that the most obvious difference between the the Sub-C and the GMT2-C are the polished vs. non polished center links.

petesjag · 25 August 2010, 11:26 PM

I would like to have the sub c but having the GMT IIc it may be too much of a likeness to the sub...thats why im waiting to see the green subc. One day I would love to have the TT sub....dreaming....

sakuraba · 25 August 2010, 11:58 PM

It would come down to the PCLs for me.

For the casual buyer, the consideration would probably be how the watch will be used.

DOUBLE 0 SE7EN · 26 August 2010, 02:27 AM

16610 is the end of the sub story in my opinion...

steubi1 · 26 August 2010, 05:33 AM

Me not, no.

I think I am going to sell my GMTIIc now that I have got the SubC black; don't like the bezel anymore, the numbers are too fat.

Regards
Tom

psv · 26 August 2010, 08:19 AM

I'm not sure I quite understand the logic here, but if it makes you happy, I'm all for it! :-)

timetravel125 · 26 August 2010, 08:25 AM

Fair assumption. But give the 116610 a fair chance, so give it enough time, as a worthy opponent.

SUPERDOC · 26 August 2010, 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by psv

I'm not sure I quite understand the logic here, but if it makes you happy, I'm all for it! :-)

I agree the logic is somewhat blurry..

basically I had always loved the GMTc but I always thought that it didn't quite seem like a rolex...

that lacking in "rolexness" always plagued me...

But now that the rest of the oyster sport line has caught up, the definition of "rolexness" has changed, and now the GMTc fits in! - maxi-dial, maxi case, ceramic bezel.

for whatever reason, the GMT feels like a rolex to me now.

I think it's because of the new Sub...

jets · 26 August 2010, 09:52 AM

Yeah I just saw the new subs. The LV looks wrong to me and the black is nice but boring. Yay Deepsea.

Dan2010 · 26 August 2010, 11:18 AM

Andrés G · 26 August 2010, 11:30 AM

I agree. That´s why I´m considering the Sub C LV but I´m still not sure.

Art 1 · 26 August 2010, 11:37 AM

I agree, I would much rather have the GMT2c than the new sub.

darthmouse · 26 August 2010, 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steubi1

Me not, no.

I think I am going to sell my GMTIIc now that I have got the SubC black; don't like the bezel anymore, the numbers are too fat.

Regards
Tom

This is one of the things that turned me off from a 116710 and led me to go for the 16710.

mpkRolex · 26 August 2010, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SUPERDOC

Does anyone else feel this way?

For a while my only issue with the GMT was that it lacked a certain

'Rolexesque' quality...

A number of times I considered trading it back for a 16610...

I saw the new sub the other day and I have to say, it's a fine watch, and If I were to buy a SS sub, it would be the 116610 over the 16610, but, it was nothing really special.

What it did for me was instantly make me love my GMTc even more!!

I think that the Sub sets the standard for Rolex, and now my GMT "feels" like a Rolex, and I love it more than ever!!!

Couldnt agree more

for two grand less SS gmtiic is the way to go

mpkRolex · 26 August 2010, 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by psv

I'm not sure I quite understand the logic here, but if it makes you happy, I'm all for it! :-)

simple logic..Ten feet from the wrist and you cant tell the difference between the two except from may be the pcls.. and the price difference of 2 grand

.. I would add another two and get a Millie

honestly the bezel numbers are very subtle due to the reflection from the ceramic.. they almost blend in.. my wife keeps telling me to sell off the 16610 they look so similar.

wisguy · 26 August 2010, 12:30 PM

I own a GMTIIc and if I had to do it again I would buy the Sub, the PCL's don't do it for me and the sub bezel is so much cleaner.

When I bought the GMTIIc it was a no brainer, better bracelet, better movement, better bezel, nowadays, not so much...

I don't plan on selling, I'm just saying, given the choice today it would be a sub.

Now a new Sub LV, that would be a nice addition!

scarlet knight · 26 August 2010, 12:33 PM

I am enjoying my GMTIIc and i'll keep it long term.

Don't feel the need for a Sub, because it looks so similar.

I also own an Omega Seamaster Pro and it looks like the Sub, too.

I think I have the black bezel sports watch field covered.

esm · 26 August 2010, 07:43 PM

i was loving my SS GMTIIC before i tried the Sub-C in person. i was even wearing the SS GMTIIC on the day.

agree that both would look the same from a distance by non-WIS.... but come on, who do we really wearing the watch for at the end of the day?

2nd day with the Sub-C, and im still trying to get used to the smaller ceramic bezel insert markings than the GMTIIC.... but all is well.

the 116610 def. feels more "solid" than 16610, but feels "the same" as the SS GMTIIC imo.

love them both

Quicksilver · 26 August 2010, 08:07 PM

Its the lack of a Pepsi or Coke bezel that makes the GMTIIc look like a Sub. Even with my 16710, when I swap the Pepsi bezel to the black, to the untrained eye the watch is virtually indistinguishable from a Sub. Both models share the generic Rolex look that we all love so much.

Watch Professor · 26 August 2010, 10:23 PM

I totally agree. I find that the GMT IIC has more character than the new Sub, that's why I just bought the original 16610.

25 August 2010, 09:31 PM	#1
SUPERDOC "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: R.J. Location: Canada Posts: 1,546	The new Submariner has made me love my GMTc more than ever... Does anyone else feel this way? For a while my only issue with the GMT was that it lacked a certain 'Rolexesque' quality... A number of times I considered trading it back for a 16610... I saw the new sub the other day and I have to say, it's a fine watch, and If I were to buy a SS sub, it would be the 116610 over the 16610, but, it was nothing really special. What it did for me was instantly make me love my GMTc even more!! I think that the Sub sets the standard for Rolex, and now my GMT "feels" like a Rolex, and I love it more than ever!!!

25 August 2010, 09:35 PM	#2
dddrees "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2010 Real Name: Dan Location: USA Watch: This N That Posts: 34,253	I've have not had the privledge of owning a Sub, but since the GMTIIC and the SUB look so much alike I am not sure that I will ever see the need of owning a Sub. If I get another, I currently would like to have a SS Daytona. __________________ When it captures your imagination, that's when you know you have found your passion. Loyal Foot Soldier of The Nylon Nation. Card Carrying Member of the Global Association of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons

25 August 2010, 10:55 PM	#3
Rolesor "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2009 Real Name: Brandon Location: Toronto, ON Watch: 116234 Posts: 4,150	The watches are very similar up front - to the non-wis they may only really notice the PCL's verses brushed bracelet of the sub and MAYBE that the bezels are different but I doubt they'd notice that lol To us there are very obvious differences and uses for the watch but I concur with your statement - it would be one or the other for me! Unless the GMT was TT, then maybe I'd still get a Sub C :) just MHO __________________ 116234 - Blue Concentric Dial - Fluted Bezel - Oyster Bracelet Tudor Black Bay 54 - Rubber Strap

25 August 2010, 11:26 PM	#5
petesjag "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: netherlands Posts: 2,177	I would like to have the sub c but having the GMT IIc it may be too much of a likeness to the sub...thats why im waiting to see the green subc. One day I would love to have the TT sub....dreaming.... __________________ 116718LN Black dial

25 August 2010, 11:58 PM	#6
sakuraba "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2009 Real Name: Jib Location: SJ, California Watch: sun dial Posts: 8,189	It would come down to the PCLs for me. For the casual buyer, the consideration would probably be how the watch will be used. __________________ F 14000 AirKing black F 16710 GMT Pepsi F 16570 Explorer II white T 16600 SD D 16610 LV "fine quality is remembered long after the pain of spending money" -Steve Mulholland

25 August 2010, 11:25 PM	#4
theken "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: USA Watch: GMT-Master II Posts: 3,417	In my eyes, the new 116610 Sub Date-C is almost identical in appearance to the iconic 16610 Sub date that it replaced. In contrast, the 116710 GMT2-C and 16710 GMT2 are very different in appearance. I agree that the most obvious difference between the the Sub-C and the GMT2-C are the polished vs. non polished center links.

26 August 2010, 02:27 AM	#7
DOUBLE 0 SE7EN "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: KAAN Location: ISTANBUL Watch: Explorer-PAM233 Posts: 1,648	16610 is the end of the sub story in my opinion...

26 August 2010, 05:33 AM	#8
steubi1 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Real Name: Tom Location: Switzerland Watch: too many Posts: 1,150	Me not, no. I think I am going to sell my GMTIIc now that I have got the SubC black; don't like the bezel anymore, the numbers are too fat. Regards Tom

26 August 2010, 08:19 AM	#9
psv 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: USA & France Posts: 11,078	I'm not sure I quite understand the logic here, but if it makes you happy, I'm all for it! :-)

26 August 2010, 08:25 AM	#10
timetravel125 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Real Name: Louie Location: California Watch: Rolex Posts: 644	Fair assumption. But give the 116610 a fair chance, so give it enough time, as a worthy opponent.

26 August 2010, 09:52 AM	#12
jets "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Mario Location: CANADA Posts: 2,483	Yeah I just saw the new subs. The LV looks wrong to me and the black is nice but boring. Yay Deepsea. __________________ ♛ DJII 116234 · Submariner 126610LV · Yacht Master 42 226659 ✿ Pelagos 25600TN Ω X-33 Speedmaster Skywalker · 1861 Speedmaster Modsukoshi · SMP 2254.50 · SMP 2230.50 NAC · Seamaster 300 166.0324 · Genève 162.037 Seiko SLA033 Willard · SKX007

26 August 2010, 11:18 AM	#13
Dan2010 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: South Carolina Watch: Panerai 914 Posts: 6,540

26 August 2010, 11:30 AM	#14
Andrés G "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Guatemala Posts: 3,392	I agree. That´s why I´m considering the Sub C LV but I´m still not sure.

26 August 2010, 11:37 AM	#15
Art 1 Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Florida, Canada Watch: Rol/Seik/Tud/Omega Posts: 30,244	I agree, I would much rather have the GMT2c than the new sub.

26 August 2010, 12:30 PM	#19
wisguy "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Earth Posts: 2,406	I own a GMTIIc and if I had to do it again I would buy the Sub, the PCL's don't do it for me and the sub bezel is so much cleaner. When I bought the GMTIIc it was a no brainer, better bracelet, better movement, better bezel, nowadays, not so much... I don't plan on selling, I'm just saying, given the choice today it would be a sub. Now a new Sub LV, that would be a nice addition! __________________ 5230G / 5146G / 124060 / BB58 / '59 Constellation

26 August 2010, 12:33 PM	#20
scarlet knight "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: USA Watch: Good ones Posts: 8,458	I'll keep my GMTIIC I am enjoying my GMTIIc and i'll keep it long term. Don't feel the need for a Sub, because it looks so similar. I also own an Omega Seamaster Pro and it looks like the Sub, too. I think I have the black bezel sports watch field covered.

26 August 2010, 07:43 PM	#21
esm "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Eric Location: Location,Location Watch: this, bro... Posts: 15,340	i was loving my SS GMTIIC before i tried the Sub-C in person. i was even wearing the SS GMTIIC on the day. agree that both would look the same from a distance by non-WIS.... but come on, who do we really wearing the watch for at the end of the day? 2nd day with the Sub-C, and im still trying to get used to the smaller ceramic bezel insert markings than the GMTIIC.... but all is well. the 116610 def. feels more "solid" than 16610, but feels "the same" as the SS GMTIIC imo. love them both

26 August 2010, 08:07 PM	#22
Quicksilver "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: David Location: London+Guangzhou Watch: ing watches Posts: 2,603	Its the lack of a Pepsi or Coke bezel that makes the GMTIIc look like a Sub. Even with my 16710, when I swap the Pepsi bezel to the black, to the untrained eye the watch is virtually indistinguishable from a Sub. Both models share the generic Rolex look that we all love so much. __________________ Rolex Sea Dweller 116600, GMT Master II 16710 (Pepsi) and 116710 BLNR, Daytona 116500LN, Submariner 14060M.

26 August 2010, 10:23 PM	#23
Watch Professor "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: Myron Location: New York Watch: GMT IIC; Sub Date Posts: 3,166	I totally agree. I find that the GMT IIC has more character than the new Sub, that's why I just bought the original 16610.

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