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Wisconsin Proud · 10 January 2011, 06:30 AM

Similarly, I have a Bose radio/CD player that won't play CDs unless they are store bought. Any CDs that are created via a copy will not work.

BarkMaster · 10 January 2011, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by CashGap

If folks can read the difference, then they can "hear" the difference after reading the spec sheet.

Much of it is "Oh... you can hear a difference? Uh, well of COURSE I can hear the difference!".

Monster Cable built a business on this phenomenon!!!

Atl · 10 January 2011, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by therolexguy

Just curious if the CD actually had a sticker, or mark of somekind noting it was a protected CD....or are all of the new CDs now unable to be downloaded? I've never had this problem...yet.

It seems to be the newer stuff, and might just be Sony-BMG CDs only, but as I said it's a crap shoot. I bought two John Coltrane CDs today, and downloaded just fine. Pink Floyd, no problem. And Sting's new live album, that just came out, no problem. But Santana, BIG PROBLEM. I emailed Sony BMG, like they will care.

Atl · 10 January 2011, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by renfield33

if i am really pumped up about an album, i still buy the cd then rip into lossless.

That's what I am saying! You can't! It won't even play on my computer, much less be downloaded, PC or Mac, makes no difference. I don't know what they are putting on these CDs, but it stops your computer's CD/DVD drive cold. Which is my point, I paid $14.00, I expect to be able to enjoy it in my car or exercising, on my iPod. Or my home stereo thru my Wadia DAC.

renfield33 · 10 January 2011, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Atl

That's what I am saying! You can't! It won't even play on my computer, much less be downloaded, PC or Mac, makes no difference. I don't know what they are putting on these CDs, but it stops your computer's CD/DVD drive cold. Which is my point, I paid $14.00, I expect to be able to enjoy it in my car or exercising, on my iPod. Or my home stereo thru my Wadia DAC.

yeah, i was just posting a little support! i just bought the new 2010 remaster of NIN pretty hate machine, and it rocks!

t e x · 10 January 2011, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by renfield33

yeah, i was just posting a little support! i just bought the new 2010 remaster of NIN pretty hate machine, and it rocks!

i was at trent's 2nd live performace of that tour.

Welshwatchman · 10 January 2011, 12:32 PM

Sony pulled this crap before and quietly installed a nasty rootkit on Windows PC to assist in the anti rip protection.

They got a really bad press though and removed this from their CDs fairly quickly.

There are ways to rip these types of disks but you feel like you're a flipping criminal doing so.

I can also hear the difference between Flac and HBR AAC (harder with 500kbs OGG though) but that's me being an old saddo music lover. Nothing digital sounds quite as good as my decent LPs used to.

Watch Professor · 10 January 2011, 02:54 PM

Try a PC

GradyPhilpott · 10 January 2011, 03:08 PM

This is not easy to advice to follow, but stop giving those thieves your money.

I'm fortunate to have most of all the music, I'll ever want. I do sometimes download some music, but it's rare and usually very old music and the record companies don't seem interested in protecting it too much, so I can make copies for my car or my phone.

It should be noted that according to the law, it is only legal to make copies from CDs on stereo components, but not on computers.

I'm not sure how one does that, but that's what I've read.

The upshot is that for more than thirty years, we've been being set up by record companies to control all our music that we pay for.

I do understand the necessity for copyright law and I do respect that law, but all I ask is to be able to listen to the music I buy on the devices that I own.

daveathall · 10 January 2011, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by daveathall

When one downloads an album from iTunes, is it by default downloaded using the best quality available? Not being computer savvy I would also ask the same question when one rips straight from a cd into ones iTunes library please?

Anyone please?

Nicko · 10 January 2011, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by daveathall

Anyone please?

Yes, on my MacBook it does.

Trev · 10 January 2011, 08:05 PM

I guess you've learned what paying for CD's will get you. Everything in lossless quality is only clicks away.

Good luck

daveathall · 10 January 2011, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Nicko

Yes, on my MacBook it does.

Thank you.

Welshwatchman · 10 January 2011, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by daveathall

Anyone please?

As far as I am aware both Itunes download and Itunes CD rip default to AAC 128kps.

Not good !

You can certainly tweak Itunes CD rip but I'm not so sure if Itunes download site caters for higher quality downloads.

It is a fact that Ipods use a far less expensive internal DAC/HP amp than does Sony or Cowon and of course the stock bud earphones are an absolute joke. Cowon's "buds" are also the same crud but they know that the customer will never use these and will instead throw a little coin into something that will make your ears sing instead of bleed.

marcinthemiddle · 10 January 2011, 11:20 PM

"Sing instead of bleed." It's true!

CashGap · 10 January 2011, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Welshwatchman

As far as I am aware both Itunes download and Itunes CD rip default to AAC 128kps.

Not good !

The bit rate for iTunes Plus (which is the format used for all music from the iTunes Store) is 256kbps, and that's also the default for the Import Settings used when you rip CDs. Article

Puffy · 11 January 2011, 12:36 AM

Google "name of artist" and "torrrent"

daveathall · 11 January 2011, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Welshwatchman

As far as I am aware both Itunes download and Itunes CD rip default to AAC 128kps.

Not good !

You can certainly tweak Itunes CD rip but I'm not so sure if Itunes download site caters for higher quality downloads.

It is a fact that Ipods use a far less expensive internal DAC/HP amp than does Sony or Cowon and of course the stock bud earphones are an absolute joke. Cowon's "buds" are also the same crud but they know that the customer will never use these and will instead throw a little coin into something that will make your ears sing instead of bleed.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CashGap

The bit rate for iTunes Plus (which is the format used for all music from the iTunes Store) is 256kbps, and that's also the default for the Import Settings used when you rip CDs. Article

Thank you fellas.

Atl · 11 January 2011, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Watch Professor

Try a PC

PC or Mac, neither work, I tried it on my PC at work. Sony has REALLY made me mad! There is no other way to get the album on an iPod that I know if. If anyone has a different method, do tell! I hate Sony/BMG!!!!!

Atl · 11 January 2011, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Puffy

Google "name of artist" and "torrrent"

I did this, Bit Torrent only has his music as MP3's, not at all good enough, MP3's sound horrible on my system. I am willing to pay to get a good un-compressed (AIFF, or Apple Lostless) copy of his new album, but have no clue where to find it.

Trev · 11 January 2011, 02:57 PM

Mp3's don't sound horrible, only some bad encodings do. A good mp3 is flawless. Grab something at 256kbit+ CBR (constant bit rate), or "extreme" setting VBR (variable bit rate).

The album in question is already out there in nearly every format, including lossless ones.

10 January 2011, 12:32 PM	#37
Welshwatchman "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Real Name: Paul Location: Wales, UK Posts: 14,578	Sony pulled this crap before and quietly installed a nasty rootkit on Windows PC to assist in the anti rip protection. They got a really bad press though and removed this from their CDs fairly quickly. There are ways to rip these types of disks but you feel like you're a flipping criminal doing so. I can also hear the difference between Flac and HBR AAC (harder with 500kbs OGG though) but that's me being an old saddo music lover. Nothing digital sounds quite as good as my decent LPs used to. __________________ ..33

10 January 2011, 03:08 PM	#39
GradyPhilpott 2025 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: New Mexico Watch: Seiko #SRK050 Posts: 34,477	This is not easy to advice to follow, but stop giving those thieves your money. I'm fortunate to have most of all the music, I'll ever want. I do sometimes download some music, but it's rare and usually very old music and the record companies don't seem interested in protecting it too much, so I can make copies for my car or my phone. It should be noted that according to the law, it is only legal to make copies from CDs on stereo components, but not on computers. I'm not sure how one does that, but that's what I've read. The upshot is that for more than thirty years, we've been being set up by record companies to control all our music that we pay for. I do understand the necessity for copyright law and I do respect that law, but all I ask is to be able to listen to the music I buy on the devices that I own. __________________ JJ Inaugural TRF $50 Watch Challenge Winner

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Wisconsin Proud Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 351	Similarly, I have a Bose radio/CD player that won't play CDs unless they are store bought. Any CDs that are created via a copy will not work.

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Trev "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: AU Watch: Ω 2599.80 Posts: 387	I guess you've learned what paying for CD's will get you. Everything in lossless quality is only clicks away. Good luck

11 January 2011, 02:57 PM	#51
Trev "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: AU Watch: Ω 2599.80 Posts: 387	Mp3's don't sound horrible, only some bad encodings do. A good mp3 is flawless. Grab something at 256kbit+ CBR (constant bit rate), or "extreme" setting VBR (variable bit rate). The album in question is already out there in nearly every format, including lossless ones.

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