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BamaBanker · 4 June 2011, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr.B

Interesting..... Especially from a MD who has seen people suffer and die from cancer as well as other not so nice medical conditions.
All I can say is that everyone is entitled to an opinion.
I can tell you that my father, also a physician has a "plan" if need be.

Obviously your father is a very smart Physician.

t e x · 4 June 2011, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by gsd119

I guess we did not know Jack.

Maybe the movie "Liar Liar" shoud be his calling.

...ah, perhaps his quality of life was most execellent 'til the end

Dr.Brian · 4 June 2011, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by gsd119

Wrong!

I do the circumstances, he was sent to prison for murder, costing a legal system millions of dollars that could have been used for something more useful.

You clearly don't appreciate the astronomical cost of futile end of life care.
I see it all the time. ALL the time. We're wasting BILLIONS and BILLIONS every year. A couple million dollars isn't even a drop in the bucket.

gsd119 · 4 June 2011, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by t e x

...ah, perhaps his quality of life was most execellent 'til the end

I do not know, he was in prison this past decade.

Launch Mini · 4 June 2011, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Numismatist

Why do we put our dogs to sleep to end their suffering, but not our terminally ill, in pain, parents or children?

Very good question.

TheDude · 4 June 2011, 07:39 AM

This is bloody morbid.

Help this thread die oh moderator - bringer of death.

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SLRdude · 4 June 2011, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDude

This is bloody morbid.

Help this thread die oh moderator - bringer of death.

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Congrats on your post number 3000!

(a bit of friendly hijack here)

JimSnyder · 4 June 2011, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Lisa

My 87 year old father died last year in the emergency room from a subdural hemorrhage after I signed the DNR papers while my mom stared into space, helpless and lost. We went home before he was officially pronounced dead. The person that he was was gone before the ambulance even showed up at his home, though a vent kept his body breathing and, technically, alive.

A few days later I went to the hospital's medical records department and looked at the charting done those two hours after I took Mom home. Tears of relief flowed as I read how he was given massive amounts of morphine and other drugs... given every 20 minutes or so... until his heart stopped beating. Thank goodness the doctors knew how to let him die a good death, in peace and with dignity.

Lisa it seems like yesterday. We all went through some tough times then. My mom went for 2 months before she passed away. Although she didn't suffer I wish she would not have had to go that long. You and the gang were a big help through those rough times.

Puffy · 4 June 2011, 08:08 AM

Euthanasia should be available to anyone suffering a terminal illness. he was ahead of his time

RIP

chicfarmer1 · 4 June 2011, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Lisa

Well, this thread isn't going to last but I believe Dr. Kervorkian was a man well ahead of his time. Some people already understand that.

Completely agree. It takes empathy, or direct experience, to recognize that unending suffering is not a social good (setting aside the economics of it) as compared to personal agency and dignity.

Gagebuilder · 4 June 2011, 08:17 AM

OP, "Judge not lest ye be judged." Since you brought up the R subject.

My birth was planned, why not my death? If I have a choice?

.458Chris · 4 June 2011, 08:18 AM

I have seen grandparents and friends die. Unfortunately it is inevitable. We will not know how the "Universe" works until we pass.

Mosco · 4 June 2011, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by .458Chris

I have seen grandparents and friends die. Unfortunately it is inevitable. We will not know how the "Universe" works until we pass.

Apparently, the OP does.

DCgator · 4 June 2011, 08:44 AM

I have in my will for my survivors to "pull the plug" after it's been medically determined there is no way I would live with much pain or always heavily drugged. I do not want to be kept alive by some machine. That is not living. So, yes I respect Dr. Kevorkian for helping those people.

RIP, doctor.

Saxon007 · 4 June 2011, 08:53 AM

Why must some people feel that they know what is best for everyone else?

I hate the thought of a long, lingering, inevitable death.

I hope when my time comes - hopefully a LONG time from now

- that I have the freedom to make my own choices in this matter.

I think that history will remember Dr. Kavorkian in a much kinder way than how he is portrayed now by those who pretend to know what is best for all of us without even knowing us.

sleddog · 4 June 2011, 09:17 AM

Not a topic that has any need for being on this forum.
Open section or not!!

As for the OP, he was a returning trouble maker and is now removed from these boards.
He was only here to cause trouble, and it appears it succeeded.

4 June 2011, 08:08 AM	#39
Puffy "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 12,485	Euthanasia should be available to anyone suffering a terminal illness. he was ahead of his time RIP __________________ Fine Quality is Long Remembered After the Pain of Spending Money is Forgotten

4 June 2011, 08:18 AM	#42
.458Chris "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2011 Real Name: Chris Location: Anchorage Watch: 116622 Posts: 41	we are mortal I have seen grandparents and friends die. Unfortunately it is inevitable. We will not know how the "Universe" works until we pass.

4 June 2011, 08:53 AM	#45
Saxon007 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 2,002	Why must some people feel that they know what is best for everyone else? I hate the thought of a long, lingering, inevitable death. I hope when my time comes - hopefully a LONG time from now - that I have the freedom to make my own choices in this matter. I think that history will remember Dr. Kavorkian in a much kinder way than how he is portrayed now by those who pretend to know what is best for all of us without even knowing us. __________________ Licensed to kill time.

4 June 2011, 09:17 AM	#46
sleddog TRF Moderator & 2025 Titanium Yacht-Master Patron Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: Rob Location: Nearby. Posts: 24,933	Not a topic that has any need for being on this forum. Open section or not!! As for the OP, he was a returning trouble maker and is now removed from these boards. He was only here to cause trouble, and it appears it succeeded. __________________ He who wears a Rolex is always on time, even when late!! TRF's "After Dark" Bar & Nightclub Patron-Founding Member..

4 June 2011, 07:39 AM	#36
TheDude "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: DC Area, USA Watch: IIc,1680 Red,16660 Posts: 4,492	This is bloody morbid. Help this thread die oh moderator - bringer of death. Sent from my Nexus S 4G using Tapatalk

4 June 2011, 08:17 AM	#41
Gagebuilder "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Real Name: Doug Location: Detroit Area Watch: out for yelow snow Posts: 1,067	OP, "Judge not lest ye be judged." Since you brought up the R subject. My birth was planned, why not my death? If I have a choice?

4 June 2011, 08:44 AM	#44
DCgator "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: PNW Watch: DS,BLNR,SubLV,DJ2 Posts: 8,123	I have in my will for my survivors to "pull the plug" after it's been medically determined there is no way I would live with much pain or always heavily drugged. I do not want to be kept alive by some machine. That is not living. So, yes I respect Dr. Kevorkian for helping those people. RIP, doctor.

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