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Watchvirgin · 8 June 2011, 08:34 PM

I love my Exp, so versatile and goes with any occasion! I looked at the 111 pam, didn't like it in person, felt light and not what I wanted from a PAM, you may want to look at the PAM 251. The 251 has a nice brushed look and feels great on the wrist!

slcbbrown · 8 June 2011, 11:31 PM

14060, but the ExpII is a great option and one of the few white-dial sport models. Both can be had for under $4,000, depending on the age, but I don't see very many pre-owned polars out there. About 3 years ago, I bought 2, 1990's Exp II's for sons and a 1995-ish 14060 for myself. The 14060 was under $3,000 and the Exp's were $3,200 to $3,400.

IMO, the PAM is much more of a fashion thing than a watch brand like Rolex. I'm much more comfortable "investing" in Rolex than Panerai.

tomchicago · 8 June 2011, 11:41 PM

you already have a watch with black dial. you will love the polar eII. only thing is that polar Eii prices have been rising. you should be able to get a decent one right around 4k or just under depending on age/condition/etc. 3186 polar eii's have been selling around $5k these days since they are last of non-maxi case but with parachrom blu.

ally · 8 June 2011, 11:49 PM

In an earlier post I said get the Sub..

I have changed my mind now, I love my Expo II

redrider333 · 9 June 2011, 03:45 AM

I went in to my local AD yesterday and tried on the 14060, 111, and exp ii...and all I can say is it definitely didn't make the decision any easier! Part of me loves the PAM and the fact that it looks so great with such a variety of straps but the 14060 and EXp are great. The non-supercase sub is such a different feel that my GMT and wears much smaller of course...needless to say I may be leanig towards the 14060 but I still have a while before the decision is made!

ikovalchuk17 · 9 June 2011, 03:46 AM

Sub

Chipmunk · 9 June 2011, 03:52 AM

White ExpII

ally · 9 June 2011, 04:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redrider333

I went in to my local AD yesterday and tried on the 14060, 111, and exp ii...and all I can say is it definitely didn't make the decision any easier! Part of me loves the PAM and the fact that it looks so great with such a variety of straps but the 14060 and EXp are great. The non-supercase sub is such a different feel that my GMT and wears much smaller of course...needless to say I may be leanig towards the 14060 but I still have a while before the decision is made!

Your making progress then

Just out of interest how did the 14060 feel in relation to the Expo II ??

redrider333 · 9 June 2011, 04:34 AM

The Expo definitely wears bigger and I like the familiar feeling of the supercase and of course the white dial was a beaut! Both of them would take some getting used to after wearing the TT GMT (that gold is heavier than I thought!)

UJU · 9 June 2011, 04:50 AM

Seems like an ever recurring question.

I would pick the Sub above any other Rolex, and certainly the PAM. The Explorer II and the PAM are nice watches, but they don't come close when it comes to that good feeling of a Sub on the wrist.

Btw, I sold my Expl II to fund the Sub. No regrets. still want the Explorer, but there's no way it will push the Sub out.

ally · 9 June 2011, 04:53 AM

I dont think you can go wrong with either to be honest.

When you buy one your going to get the other after a while anyway

mgsimmer · 9 June 2011, 04:57 AM

111

Woody · 9 June 2011, 06:09 AM

I would opt for the 14060M - it is a superb watch and one of only two watches in my collection that I would never consider parting with (the other is the Sub-C

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stockae92 · 9 June 2011, 06:23 AM

For the Exp II, its an awesome watch but do you mind if it has similar feature to your GMT IIc? And it wears even smaller than the Sub ND, you are ok with the size?

For the Sub ND, your GMT IIc has nice bracelet, would you mind the rattle of the folded links and clasps? Whats good about the Sub ND is that it has lug holes for easy strap change if you want to wear the watch on NATO. Something to think about if you want to add variaty of how you can wear it.

For the PAM 111, since you have an auto, would you mind winding the watch every other day? And if you are going to wear the watch frequently, do you mind the watch being bigger and taller?

Some people were "surprised" to find out that the 111 doesn't have a hacking movement. Just making sure you are aware of it.

You need to think about what you want before deciding which one to go with :)

aleiberman · 9 June 2011, 12:06 PM

Exp II is the way to go. White dial!

fc3s2k · 9 June 2011, 01:25 PM

Go to "the dark side"

It's time!!!!!

George Ab · 9 June 2011, 03:26 PM

The PAM 111 is a big hunk of polished stainless. If you are considering the PAM look at the PAM 176. Same watch in brushed titanium vice polished stainless. The polished stainless is like your center links it shows everything. The brushed titanium is very forgiving. Definitely a different look with the PAM, and there is something about winding your watch.

I love an Exp II polar. It is an under the radar watch that always fits, and doesn't scream look at me. The PAM 176 on a distressed strap is also a very cool look.

Shade · 9 June 2011, 03:27 PM

I would go for the PAM, second choice is the Vintage Sub, last choice would be the Polar. I prefer to have brand and model variations. I think the sub and the polar is kinda similar to the GMT you have now - but others may have a different opinion.

wrxsti · 9 June 2011, 04:01 PM

definitely pam 111 the others are too similar to your gmt

Shade · 9 June 2011, 07:03 PM

At least Andy is on the same page as I am! Haha..

redrider333 · 19 June 2011, 05:47 AM

After a lot of deliberation Im about 99% sure I am going for a 14060 so now I just have to decide between COSC and non-COSC...almost as difficult of a decision but I am leaning towards the 14060m non-COSC

CEG · 19 June 2011, 05:52 AM

Does this help :
Exp wrist.jpg

EXP.jpg

SaddleSC · 19 June 2011, 07:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by George Ab

The PAM 111 is a big hunk of polished stainless. If you are considering the PAM look at the PAM 176. Same watch in brushed titanium vice polished stainless. The polished stainless is like your center links it shows everything. The brushed titanium is very forgiving. Definitely a different look with the PAM, and there is something about winding your watch.

I love an Exp II polar. It is an under the radar watch that always fits, and doesn't scream look at me. The PAM 176 on a distressed strap is also a very cool look.

Actually George, the 177 is the Titanium version of the 111. The 176 is a Base model (NO seconds hand) and is the Titanium version of the 112.

HKtoter · 19 June 2011, 07:35 AM

Submariner

blackout · 19 June 2011, 07:42 AM

Exp 2 and Sub gets my vote... IVe got my 14060M but, I Would love to get a new 42mm blk Exp2!

8 June 2011, 11:49 PM	#34
ally "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Real Name: Alan Location: london Watch: Explorer II Posts: 790	In an earlier post I said get the Sub.. I have changed my mind now, I love my Expo II __________________ 14060M Explorer II TT DJ. 16610 LV.

9 June 2011, 03:52 AM	#37
Chipmunk "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Alvin Location: So Cal Watch: ROLEXES Posts: 5,390	White ExpII __________________ "A thing of beauty is a joy forever"............John Keats

9 June 2011, 04:53 AM	#41
ally "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Real Name: Alan Location: london Watch: Explorer II Posts: 790	I dont think you can go wrong with either to be honest. When you buy one your going to get the other after a while anyway __________________ 14060M Explorer II TT DJ. 16610 LV.

9 June 2011, 06:09 AM	#43
Woody "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Africa Posts: 1,127	I would opt for the 14060M - it is a superb watch and one of only two watches in my collection that I would never consider parting with (the other is the Sub-C)

9 June 2011, 01:25 PM	#46
fc3s2k "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Real Name: Barry Location: california Watch: OFFICINE PANERAI Posts: 1,289	Go to "the dark side" It's time!!!!! __________________

8 June 2011, 08:34 PM	#31
Watchvirgin Banned Join Date: Dec 2010 Real Name: Ash_Flash Location: Washington, DC Watch: AP Posts: 901	I love my Exp, so versatile and goes with any occasion! I looked at the 111 pam, didn't like it in person, felt light and not what I wanted from a PAM, you may want to look at the PAM 251. The 251 has a nice brushed look and feels great on the wrist!

8 June 2011, 11:31 PM	#32
slcbbrown "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2009 Real Name: steve Location: dallas area Watch: 50's TT t-bird Posts: 3,689	14060, but the ExpII is a great option and one of the few white-dial sport models. Both can be had for under $4,000, depending on the age, but I don't see very many pre-owned polars out there. About 3 years ago, I bought 2, 1990's Exp II's for sons and a 1995-ish 14060 for myself. The 14060 was under $3,000 and the Exp's were $3,200 to $3,400. IMO, the PAM is much more of a fashion thing than a watch brand like Rolex. I'm much more comfortable "investing" in Rolex than Panerai.

8 June 2011, 11:41 PM	#33
tomchicago Banned Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Chicago Watch: 16710BLRO, 214270. Posts: 2,717	you already have a watch with black dial. you will love the polar eII. only thing is that polar Eii prices have been rising. you should be able to get a decent one right around 4k or just under depending on age/condition/etc. 3186 polar eii's have been selling around $5k these days since they are last of non-maxi case but with parachrom blu.

9 June 2011, 03:45 AM	#35
redrider333 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Real Name: Ken Location: Oakland, CA Watch: Rolex GMTIIc TT Posts: 14	I went in to my local AD yesterday and tried on the 14060, 111, and exp ii...and all I can say is it definitely didn't make the decision any easier! Part of me loves the PAM and the fact that it looks so great with such a variety of straps but the 14060 and EXp are great. The non-supercase sub is such a different feel that my GMT and wears much smaller of course...needless to say I may be leanig towards the 14060 but I still have a while before the decision is made!

9 June 2011, 03:46 AM	#36
ikovalchuk17 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: LA Watch: ND Sub Posts: 371	Sub

9 June 2011, 04:34 AM	#39
redrider333 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Real Name: Ken Location: Oakland, CA Watch: Rolex GMTIIc TT Posts: 14	The Expo definitely wears bigger and I like the familiar feeling of the supercase and of course the white dial was a beaut! Both of them would take some getting used to after wearing the TT GMT (that gold is heavier than I thought!)

9 June 2011, 04:50 AM	#40
UJU "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Norway Watch: 14060M Posts: 274	Seems like an ever recurring question. I would pick the Sub above any other Rolex, and certainly the PAM. The Explorer II and the PAM are nice watches, but they don't come close when it comes to that good feeling of a Sub on the wrist. Btw, I sold my Expl II to fund the Sub. No regrets. still want the Explorer, but there's no way it will push the Sub out.

9 June 2011, 04:57 AM	#42
mgsimmer Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: SF Bay Posts: 75	111

9 June 2011, 06:23 AM	#44
stockae92 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Socal Posts: 4,960	For the Exp II, its an awesome watch but do you mind if it has similar feature to your GMT IIc? And it wears even smaller than the Sub ND, you are ok with the size? For the Sub ND, your GMT IIc has nice bracelet, would you mind the rattle of the folded links and clasps? Whats good about the Sub ND is that it has lug holes for easy strap change if you want to wear the watch on NATO. Something to think about if you want to add variaty of how you can wear it. For the PAM 111, since you have an auto, would you mind winding the watch every other day? And if you are going to wear the watch frequently, do you mind the watch being bigger and taller? Some people were "surprised" to find out that the 111 doesn't have a hacking movement. Just making sure you are aware of it. You need to think about what you want before deciding which one to go with :)

9 June 2011, 12:06 PM	#45
aleiberman "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Aaron Location: MA Watch: Rolex Posts: 501	Exp II is the way to go. White dial!

9 June 2011, 03:26 PM	#47
George Ab "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Real Name: George Location: Seattle Watch: One of Them Posts: 6,924	The PAM 111 is a big hunk of polished stainless. If you are considering the PAM look at the PAM 176. Same watch in brushed titanium vice polished stainless. The polished stainless is like your center links it shows everything. The brushed titanium is very forgiving. Definitely a different look with the PAM, and there is something about winding your watch. I love an Exp II polar. It is an under the radar watch that always fits, and doesn't scream look at me. The PAM 176 on a distressed strap is also a very cool look. __________________

9 June 2011, 03:27 PM	#48
Shade "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: Norman Location: Jakarta Watch: All of 'em.. Posts: 2,926	I would go for the PAM, second choice is the Vintage Sub, last choice would be the Polar. I prefer to have brand and model variations. I think the sub and the polar is kinda similar to the GMT you have now - but others may have a different opinion. __________________ My collections.. Plus PAM 233, 232, 249 & PAM 417.

9 June 2011, 04:01 PM	#49
wrxsti "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Earth Posts: 1,695	definitely pam 111 the others are too similar to your gmt __________________ PP Geneva

9 June 2011, 07:03 PM	#50
Shade "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: Norman Location: Jakarta Watch: All of 'em.. Posts: 2,926	At least Andy is on the same page as I am! Haha.. __________________ My collections.. Plus PAM 233, 232, 249 & PAM 417.

19 June 2011, 05:47 AM	#51
redrider333 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Real Name: Ken Location: Oakland, CA Watch: Rolex GMTIIc TT Posts: 14	After a lot of deliberation Im about 99% sure I am going for a 14060 so now I just have to decide between COSC and non-COSC...almost as difficult of a decision but I am leaning towards the 14060m non-COSC

19 June 2011, 05:52 AM	#52
CEG "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Real Name: Dan Location: ENGLAND Watch: 116505 Posts: 1,587	Does this help : Exp wrist.jpg EXP.jpg __________________ 16710-116505-116660-116680-116610LV-216570-126331-116710-114060-126621-TudorGMT-Tudor BB58-Sapphire Speedy Pro-Speedy Rising Sun

19 June 2011, 07:35 AM	#54
HKtoter "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Real Name: Steve Location: Roll Tide Watch: 16710 Pepsi Posts: 1,025	Submariner __________________ LUG HOLE LOYALIST

19 June 2011, 07:42 AM	#55
blackout "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Everywhere Watch: SubC LN & LV Posts: 743	Exp2 and Sub Exp 2 and Sub gets my vote... IVe got my 14060M but, I Would love to get a new 42mm blk Exp2!

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