Newbie questions on Panerai

[watchf]

I was wanting to ask what in the world is a sandwich dial but I found out its actually a lume disc sandwiched underneath a top cut out dial so the cut out reveal the lume from the disc underneath compared to a painted dial which is simply lume painted on the dial like most watches.

What I would still like to find out from Panerai enthusiast is what are the pros and cons between a sandwich and a painted dial?

Also the manual wind models like the 111 has what they call the 8-day Angelus movement. This 8 day has nothing to do with the power reserve does it? I don't quite see a watch at this price point having an 8 day power reserve. What does this 8-day in the Angelus movement represent? What is the power reserve of the manual wind series?

All the common models auto/manual (not limited models) are all ETA movements I assume?

If I were to have only one common sized (44mm) Panerai (I don't really like the Radiomir case design, I like the Marina type case better) and I would also like a moving second hand and a date without magnification, not too sure about steel or display caseback and SS or Titanium, which will be the one for an average price of say $6000+ (Grey price) so that would put GMT models out of the question.

How well does Panerai retain its resale value?

[L-16610]

I was wanting to ask what in the world is a sandwich dial but I found out its actually a lume disc sandwiched underneath a top cut out dial so the cut out reveal the lume from the disc underneath compared to a painted dial which is simply lume painted on the dial like most watches.

What I would still like to find out from Panerai enthusiast is what are the pros and cons between a sandwich and a painted dial?

there are no real differences, it's just a maater of taste. On some watches I prefer painted which imo gives a more vintage look. Others look great with a sandwich dial. But the quality or lume is the same

Also the manual wind models like the 111 has what they call the 8-day Angelus movement. This 8 day has nothing to do with the power reserve does it? I don't quite see a watch at this price point having an 8 day power reserve. What does this 8-day in the Angelus movement represent? What is the power reserve of the manual wind series?

The 111 has an ETA and NOT an Angulus. The only watches with Angulus are some vintage pieces and the Panerai 203
The 203 was made about 6 years ago in a LE of 150 pce. And today they are impossible to get unless you're willing to pay 80K
They also has a Rabiomir 8 days with a JLV movement , PAM 190
And since a couple of years they have their inhouse 8-days movement.
Prices for one of these inhouse will start at more or less 14K

Some watches have also the logo 8 GIORNI which is italian for 8 days. Examples are the 203 and a LE from last year, the 339 composite

An ETA based will have a power reserve between 2 and 3 days. Their standard inhouse movements also more or less 3 days.
Panerai also has a 10 days movement

All the common models auto/manual (not limited models) are all ETA movements I assume?

No not at all. The entry levels are ETA indeed but Panerai uses more and more inhouse movements http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id...&id_sezione=37
These start at a very reasonalbe price , I think about 6.5K
I'm pretty sure panerai will only use inhouse in the near future
Last year at Geneva SIHH ther presented more or less 15 new models, I think ONLY 1 used an ETA, the rest was inhouse

If I were to have only one common sized (44mm) Panerai (I don't really like the Radiomir case design, I like the Marina type case better) and I would also like a moving second hand and a date without magnification, not too sure about steel or display caseback and SS or Titanium, which will be the one for an average price of say $6000+ (Grey price) so that would put GMT models out of the question.

This model is called Luminor and not Marina.
The marina is in fact a luminor with 3 hands like the 111
The one with 2 hands like the 000 is just called Luminor without Marina
I think an inhouse with dat and automatic can be yours for about 6.5K
BUT you're a bit too late , Tomorow all Panerai will go up with 10%


How well does Panerai retain its resale value?


Good, very good
In most cases even better than a SS Rolex sportswatch
If you buy the simple pieces . Only 2 or 3 hands they keep very good value
Complications like GMT, Chrono, ... loose a bit more but still very acceptable.
Quite a lot of their limited editions are sold with HUGE premiums


I hope this helps

[watchf]

Originally Posted by L-16610

I hope this helps

Thanks, you answered alot of my questions

I read about the 8-day Angelus movement from here http://www.luxurybazaar.com/items/it...AM_00111.html# it might have been referring to the vintae model it was modeled after.

Does Panerai's date modelall come with cylops, which model doesn't have a cyclop? Cyclop on a Panerai looks quite out of place and messes up with the bold and simple dial of the Panerai.

[jay_man2]

Originally Posted by watchf

Thanks, you answered alot of my questions

I read about the 8-day Angelus movement from here http://www.luxurybazaar.com/items/it...AM_00111.html# it might have been referring to the vintae model it was modeled after.

Does Panerai's date modelall come with cylops, which model doesn't have a cyclop? Cyclop on a Panerai looks quite out of place and messes up with the bold and simple dial of the Panerai.

The PAM 164 has date magnification, but it's not a Cyclops in the traditional sense. The magnification lens is mounted on the bottom of the crystal, not the top, so there's magnification of the date but no "Cyclops bump" on the top of the crystal.

[L-16610]

Originally Posted by watchf

Thanks, you answered alot of my questions

I read about the 8-day Angelus movement from here http://www.luxurybazaar.com/items/it...AM_00111.html# it might have been referring to the vintae model it was modeled after.

Does Panerai's date modelall come with cylops, which model doesn't have a cyclop? Cyclop on a Panerai looks quite out of place and messes up with the bold and simple dial of the Panerai.

Like Jay Man2 answered, they have a cyclops but it's different from Rolex.
The 'bubble' is inside the case

Others like the 312 don't have this cyclop. and the 312 has an inhouse movement


and a beauty it is, that 312







About the 8 days , on the site they say
The Luminor Marina watch is inspired to one of the first Luminor models of the 1940s, equipped with an 8-day Angelus movement,
The 8 days Angulus refered to the original from the 1940's
And this is even a lot more than 80K today

[Carlo Miguel]

I suggest 312/320/233 for your requirements

[watchdaddy1]

Very informative post.....

[texex91]

Look at 351 if you want the 312 look but lighter because of Titanium.

[watchf]

Thanks guys. 312 looks like the one meeting all the criteria. Do you guys buy original leather strap with the Panerai on the clasp or do you guys buy 3rd party straps? How much would an original leather strap cost on average and how do you buy it online?

The watch comes only with a rubber strap and a screwdriver for changing strap in the box? No leather strap + rubber strap in the box?

[watchf]

Originally Posted by texex91

Look at 351 if you want the 312 look but lighter because of Titanium.

Wow 351 is a chocolate dial. I just realised 312 and 351 has a polished bezel but the rest of the case is brushed whereas the common 111/112 has a fully polished bezel and case.

[Cru Jones]

Originally Posted by watchf

Thanks guys. 312 looks like the one meeting all the criteria. Do you guys buy original leather strap with the Panerai on the clasp or do you guys buy 3rd party straps? How much would an original leather strap cost on average and how do you buy it online?

The watch comes only with a rubber strap and a screwdriver for changing strap in the box? No leather strap + rubber strap in the box?

re: luminor (000, 111, etc.) and 1950 case (312, etc.), it's worth checking both on the wrist, as they do fit and wear differently.

re: straps, i'm still pretty new to panerai, but, i've mostly been searching non-OEM as the prices are better and the selection is greater. that, and panerai's Web site doesn't feature all of their straps, which i find a bit annoying.

check on simona, abp, toshi, micah, greg stevens, ted su, etc......the list goes on and on. the hunt is part of the fun.

Originally Posted by watchf

Wow 351 is a chocolate dial. I just realised 312 and 351 has a polished bezel but the rest of the case is brushed whereas the common 111/112 has a fully polished bezel and case.

yup, that's right. if you like the 312's brushed/bezel combo but prefer luminor over 1950 case, check out the 164.

[esm]

Originally Posted by watchf

How well does Panerai retain its resale value?

Thinking of joining us over at the dark side?

[watchf]

Originally Posted by Cru Jones

re: luminor (000, 111, etc.) and 1950 case (312, etc.), it's worth checking both on the wrist, as they do fit and wear differently.

re: straps, i'm still pretty new to panerai, but, i've mostly been searching non-OEM as the prices are better and the selection is greater. that, and panerai's Web site doesn't feature all of their straps, which i find a bit annoying.

check on simona, abp, toshi, micah, greg stevens, ted su, etc......the list goes on and on. the hunt is part of the fun.



yup, that's right. if you like the 312's brushed/bezel combo but prefer luminor over 1950 case, check out the 164.

The 164 looks like it has the cyclop underneath the crystal, am I right?

TBH I can't tell the difference in case style between 1950 and Luminor. What are the difference?

OEM = Panerai authorised strap with the Panerai name on the clasp?

Originally Posted by esm

Thinking of joining us over at the dark side?

A little tempted but still thinking it through.

[Cru Jones]

Originally Posted by watchf

The 164 looks like it has the cyclop underneath the crystal, am I right?

yes, all luminors with date have the inverted cyclops, as do some rads. no 1950 cases have the cyclops.

Originally Posted by watchf

TBH I can't tell the difference in case style between 1950 and Luminor. What are the difference?

1950 wears bigger/wider and is thicker. best would be to try them on for yourself.

000 vs. 312:

Originally Posted by watchf

OEM = Panerai authorised strap with the Panerai name on the clasp?

"OEM" = "original equipment manufacturer", or, in this case, original panerai-made. panerai makes straps for deployant (a/k/a adjustable buckle) and tongue buckles. the watch will come with one of the two, and, if you don't feel like switching buckles between straps and want original panerai buckles, be prepared to pay quite a bit of cash.

[watchf]

Originally Posted by Cru Jones

yes, all luminors with date have the inverted cyclops, as do some rads. no 1950 cases have the cyclops.
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Thanks for teaching me so much about Panerai

Can you tell me more about the main feature of each case type/line and what are the significance of each case style in terms of 1950, Luminor and Radomir? I chanced upon a pic of a Radomir without straps on and the spring bar looks like its actually part of the case and can be split into two. How does that work? For easy strap swapping? It does look quite fragile in the pic with the bar opened up into two parts.

I would like to try them on but like Rolex and Omega I am far away from any Panerai AD. I bought all my watches that I have already owned without first trying them on due to that so I am asking, reading and looking as much as I can to get a feel of what is best if I decide to get one.

[Cru Jones]

Originally Posted by watchf

Thanks for teaching me so much about Panerai

Can you tell me more about the main feature of each case type/line and what are the significance of each case style in terms of 1950, Luminor and Radomir? I chanced upon a pic of a Radomir without straps on and the spring bar looks like its actually part of the case and can be split into two. How does that work? For easy strap swapping? It does look quite fragile in the pic with the bar opened up into two parts.

I would like to try them on but like Rolex and Omega I am far away from any Panerai AD. I bought all my watches that I have already owned without first trying them on due to that so I am asking, reading and looking as much as I can to get a feel of what is best if I decide to get one.

sorry, don't have a rad, so, others will have to chime in.

[Shade]

Changing straps on a Rad takes less than 3 minutes for me. It may get a bit tricky for first timers, and I must say changing straps on a luminor is much easier and I can do it faster. But no big deal on the rad strap change, I change mine every two or three days.