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Chozn1 · 2 December 2011, 09:14 PM

Yes! Here's a really bad shot from my phone of the T serial Daytona which I will follow with the quandry part

She's getting her first desk diving swirls as I post this. Thanks to everyone for their input and I'll post more\better pics when I can. Here's the rub... I was in negotiations for a 116619 (WG Smurf Sub) before I pulled the trigger on this beauty. It was an Ebay auction that I offered to end early with a buy-it-now, and things just didn't work out. Now the seller of that watch has come back to me and dropped his price to &15k if I'll act quickly. He only has a few feedback points on the bay (100% though), and has posted plenty of pics of the watch.

What do you guys and gals think of this? He's not trying to circumvent PayPal or anything (he offered it in fact), but in my reading of the "Buyer Protection" with PayPal, the details are kind of murky. Any advice would be appreciated as to what you would do in this situation as I value the forum's opinion.

(Speaking of PayPal, I just realized my Pledge had lapsed during my extensive break. Donation sent

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HL65 · 2 December 2011, 09:21 PM

A WG Sub for $15k---Now that is funny!! Need i say:"If it is to good to be true it is." Walk away--no better yet RUN!! Sorry---no chance it is legit in my book.

matt4hand · 2 December 2011, 09:32 PM

As Ken said RUN!
FYI you can only use PayPal up to. 10,000 usd. For that much of a deal I would fly there, inspect it in person at an AD and let them hold it while I do a wire transfer. That is the ONLY way.
My opinion is that this eBayer is trying to scam you.
Lovely Daytona! I've been looking for one since March.

77T · 2 December 2011, 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteelerFan65

A WG Sub for $15k---Now that is funny!! Need i say:"If it is to good to be true it is." Walk away--no better yet RUN!! Sorry---no chance it is legit in my book.

+100

Chozn1 · 2 December 2011, 09:47 PM

That's my feeling as well. I realize there are some "deals" out there as I enjoy researching the watches and negotiations almost as much as wearing the pieces themselves. But some other things have come to light since I made the OP. His location on Ebay is only about 90 miles from me so I offered to go meet at an AD for the deal (when we originally spoke and I thought this was still part of the deal), and now he says he's in Chicago until next Friday. Meh... take what I've got and be happy.

Art 1 · 2 December 2011, 09:55 PM

Yes, keep what you have.

Casey VP-26 · 2 December 2011, 10:58 PM

A bird in the hand is, well you know. Nice Zenith.

Chozn1 · 2 December 2011, 11:00 PM

I should add that I'd be keeping the Zenith even if I got the Sub.

gqllc · 2 December 2011, 11:39 PM

Sounds like a complete scam...Almost $9,000 off of a UCR fee of 24K....NOT!

Cabaiguan · 2 December 2011, 11:49 PM

Don't do it.

kcmo · 3 December 2011, 02:30 AM

Unless you can personally inspect the watch (by way of a closeby AD) and feel totally comfortable with the buyer, don't do it! Better to be safe than VERY sorry!

Congrats on the Daytona...such an awesome piece!

Mikel212 · 3 December 2011, 04:30 AM

You should buy us all a drink for saving you $15,000.

This item is not covered by paypal protection, the guy changes his location and comes back to you with a lower price after the auction? What makes up his low feedback? Is it high-end stuff or things found in a garage and received a positive feedback for it?

In person, 1/2 way meeting point at AD or no deal at all. Let see who flintches first. Keep it mind, we are talking about $15,000 tax-free. BTW: Jack and coke for me.

Mosco · 3 December 2011, 04:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikel212

You should buy us all a drink for saving you $15,000.

This item is not covered by paypal protection, the guy changes his location and comes back to you with a lower price after the auction? What makes up his low feedback? Is it high-end stuff or things found in a garage and received a positive feedback for it?

In person, 1/2 way meeting point at AD or no deal at all. Let see who flintches first. Keep it mind, we are talking about $15,000 tax-free. BTW: Jack and coke for me.

+1

McCallan 18 please.

cgjane · 3 December 2011, 04:39 AM

DO NOT BUY the 15k SUB.

Chozn1 · 3 December 2011, 06:01 AM

Nah I'm not. Like I said, once the face to face wasn't an option I was out, and he didn't let me in on that little tidbit until after my original post. There's not an AD between here and there (his supposed eBay locale) and that's the only place I'd do the deal. And if I buy you a drink and you mix it with a coke, it'll be the last I buy you. You're welcome to a swig of my Lagavulin 16 year though

HL65 · 3 December 2011, 11:25 PM

By the way...I emailed him to see what he said and he offered it to me for $14k...

SCAM CITY!!

matt4hand · 4 December 2011, 01:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteelerFan65

By the way...I emailed him to see what he said and he offered it to me for $14k...

SCAM CITY!!

HAHA

Chozn1 · 4 December 2011, 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteelerFan65

By the way...I emailed him to see what he said and he offered it to me for $14k...

SCAM CITY!!

Yeah well since you went there too... I kinda started screwing with him and told him I only had $14k after purchasing the Zenith. He accepted and I just replied, "Ok see you when you get back then". Then, of course, he started stalling and offered to send 2 PayPal invoices for under $10k so I'd be protected by PayPal. Yeah... I'm sure they'd just hand me my money right back.

HL65 · 4 December 2011, 11:17 PM

I got him down to $12k --How about you??

2 December 2011, 09:14 PM	#1
Chozn1 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: South GA Watch: Sub and President Posts: 1,501	Zenith Daytona has landed... and a quandry Yes! Here's a really bad shot from my phone of the T serial Daytona which I will follow with the quandry part She's getting her first desk diving swirls as I post this. Thanks to everyone for their input and I'll post more\better pics when I can. Here's the rub... I was in negotiations for a 116619 (WG Smurf Sub) before I pulled the trigger on this beauty. It was an Ebay auction that I offered to end early with a buy-it-now, and things just didn't work out. Now the seller of that watch has come back to me and dropped his price to &15k if I'll act quickly. He only has a few feedback points on the bay (100% though), and has posted plenty of pics of the watch. What do you guys and gals think of this? He's not trying to circumvent PayPal or anything (he offered it in fact), but in my reading of the "Buyer Protection" with PayPal, the details are kind of murky. Any advice would be appreciated as to what you would do in this situation as I value the forum's opinion. (Speaking of PayPal, I just realized my Pledge had lapsed during my extensive break. Donation sent ) __________________ Current Models... (K)Bluesy (M) TT DJ In search of DayDate Prior models... Just about everything.

2 December 2011, 09:21 PM	#2
HL65 TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Ken Location: SW Florida Watch: One on my wrist. Posts: 63,989	A WG Sub for $15k---Now that is funny!! Need i say:"If it is to good to be true it is." Walk away--no better yet RUN!! Sorry---no chance it is legit in my book. __________________ *SPEM SUCCESSUS ALIT*

2 December 2011, 09:47 PM	#5
Chozn1 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: South GA Watch: Sub and President Posts: 1,501	That's my feeling as well. I realize there are some "deals" out there as I enjoy researching the watches and negotiations almost as much as wearing the pieces themselves. But some other things have come to light since I made the OP. His location on Ebay is only about 90 miles from me so I offered to go meet at an AD for the deal (when we originally spoke and I thought this was still part of the deal), and now he says he's in Chicago until next Friday. Meh... take what I've got and be happy. __________________ Current Models... (K)Bluesy (M) TT DJ In search of DayDate Prior models... Just about everything.

2 December 2011, 11:00 PM	#8
Chozn1 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: South GA Watch: Sub and President Posts: 1,501	I should add that I'd be keeping the Zenith even if I got the Sub. __________________ Current Models... (K)Bluesy (M) TT DJ In search of DayDate Prior models... Just about everything.

2 December 2011, 11:39 PM	#9
gqllc "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: Steve Location: Albany NY Watch: Blue Bezel SubC Posts: 1,511	Sounds like a complete scam...Almost $9,000 off of a UCR fee of 24K....NOT! __________________ K-TT Datejust, Random Blue Bezel SubC

2 December 2011, 09:32 PM	#3
matt4hand Banned Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: Matt Location: Atlanta Watch: Tramp Posts: 2,369	As Ken said RUN! FYI you can only use PayPal up to. 10,000 usd. For that much of a deal I would fly there, inspect it in person at an AD and let them hold it while I do a wire transfer. That is the ONLY way. My opinion is that this eBayer is trying to scam you. Lovely Daytona! I've been looking for one since March.

2 December 2011, 09:55 PM	#6
Art 1 Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Florida, Canada Watch: Rol/Seik/Tud/Omega Posts: 30,244	Yes, keep what you have.

2 December 2011, 10:58 PM	#7
Casey VP-26 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: America Posts: 2,718	A bird in the hand is, well you know. Nice Zenith.

2 December 2011, 11:49 PM	#10
Cabaiguan "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: Raf Location: NJ Watch: GMTII Posts: 2,155	Don't do it. __________________ "A ship of war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell

3 December 2011, 02:30 AM	#11
kcmo "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Real Name: Karis Location: USA Posts: 19,377	Unless you can personally inspect the watch (by way of a closeby AD) and feel totally comfortable with the buyer, don't do it! Better to be safe than VERY sorry! Congrats on the Daytona...such an awesome piece!

3 December 2011, 04:30 AM	#12
Mikel212 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: NYC Posts: 228	You should buy us all a drink for saving you $15,000. This item is not covered by paypal protection, the guy changes his location and comes back to you with a lower price after the auction? What makes up his low feedback? Is it high-end stuff or things found in a garage and received a positive feedback for it? In person, 1/2 way meeting point at AD or no deal at all. Let see who flintches first. Keep it mind, we are talking about $15,000 tax-free. BTW: Jack and coke for me.

3 December 2011, 04:39 AM	#14
cgjane "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Houston Watch: 116509 BlackArabic Posts: 1,176	DO NOT BUY the 15k SUB. __________________ Life is an adventure or nothing at all.

3 December 2011, 06:01 AM	#15
Chozn1 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: South GA Watch: Sub and President Posts: 1,501	Nah I'm not. Like I said, once the face to face wasn't an option I was out, and he didn't let me in on that little tidbit until after my original post. There's not an AD between here and there (his supposed eBay locale) and that's the only place I'd do the deal. And if I buy you a drink and you mix it with a coke, it'll be the last I buy you. You're welcome to a swig of my Lagavulin 16 year though __________________ Current Models... (K)Bluesy (M) TT DJ In search of DayDate Prior models... Just about everything.

3 December 2011, 11:25 PM	#16
HL65 TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Ken Location: SW Florida Watch: One on my wrist. Posts: 63,989	By the way...I emailed him to see what he said and he offered it to me for $14k... SCAM CITY!! __________________ *SPEM SUCCESSUS ALIT*

4 December 2011, 11:17 PM	#19
HL65 TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Ken Location: SW Florida Watch: One on my wrist. Posts: 63,989	I got him down to $12k --How about you?? __________________ *SPEM SUCCESSUS ALIT*

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