Fake on ebay!!! Report this junk

[Tomi]

another..

http://cgi.ebay.com/ROLEX-MENS-DATEJ...QQcmdZViewItem

[Zack]

Originally Posted by tomijantunen

another..

http://cgi.ebay.com/ROLEX-MENS-DATEJ...QQcmdZViewItem

Please explain....

[Tools]

Originally Posted by llsteve80

I admit, I am also enjoying this. I stayed home sick today and can't even sleep due to persistent coughing. This is keeping me very well distracted.

No coughing on the keyboard....

Think of all your fellow TRFers...............

[llsteve80]

Originally Posted by tomijantunen

another..

http://cgi.ebay.com/ROLEX-MENS-DATEJ...QQcmdZViewItem

That one looks ok to me actually. I might be misinformed about that watermark on the images, can anyone confirm?

That datejust is a 16013, so it would have the clasp marking of 62523h 18, I don't remember when they changed it, but it was recent. Anyway, that one adds up to me, however the low feedback makes me nervous

[timebroker]

Was looking at the number between the lugs, although quite blurry seems ok?

I wonder who of our fellow TRF members will chime in and make fun of us :)

[llsteve80]

Originally Posted by Tools

No coughing on the keyboard....

Think of all your fellow TRFers...............

I have been covering my mouth, don't worry. No need to quarantine the thread

[Zack]

Originally Posted by llsteve80

I admit, I am also enjoying this. I stayed home sick today and can't even sleep due to persistent coughing. This is keeping me very well distracted.

Here's another doubtful one, the images appear stolen from an auction that used auctiva, because of the camera logo in the bottom right corner of the pictures. I think auctiva puts that watermark in there when people use them. Plus 0 feedback, and the ever popular among fake sellers, a female name. Don't know why, but it seems a majority of the scam auctions have a female seller's name for some reason. Maybe to some bidders a female seems more trustworthy.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Rolex-Submariner...QQcmdZViewItem
Item 170151726514

I can't find anything wrong with this one except for the winning bidders name which is the same type of name as the bidders in the first auction in this thread.

[llsteve80]

Originally Posted by Zack

I can't find anything wrong with this one except for the winning bidders name which is the same type of name as the bidders in the first auction in this thread.

I thought it looked like stolen pics, plus the ever famous female name......I'm not saying that women are scam artists, just that scam artists use women's names (maybe) because most buyers are men, Where's the psychologists on TRF? We need a prof. opinion on this matter, stat!

[Tomi]

HI; DOES THIS HAVE THE ORIGINAL 3035 CALIBER ROLEX MOVEMENT? THANKS, ANDY Sep-26-07
A: NOPE IT HAS THE ETA AUTOMATIC SWISS MOVEMENT. JEWELERS USE THIS MOVEMENT WHEN THEY REPLACE THE ORIGINAL ONE. I CAN GIVE YOU 3MONTH GUARANTEE ON THE MOVEMENT, THE GUARANTEE IS BETTER THAN MOST OF THE ROLEX WATCHES THEY SELL ON EBAY

[watchloverdave]

Hmmm..........that's interesting. E-bay prohibits shill bidding as well. Perhaps that should be reported as well.

[llsteve80]

Well guys this was entertaining, but the medicine is kicking in and I'm getting sleepy. Perhaps I'll be back later.

[watchloverdave]

Re: ebay item 110172093722. Did you notice that he describes the oyster bracelet as a jubilee bracelet? I have reported this listing to e-bay for whatever that is worth. Buyer beware for sure!

[watchloverdave]

Here's the reply I got from e-bay (this is long)

We will review the listing(s) you have reported for violations of our
Replica and Counterfeit Items Policy. We often rely on members like you
to bring such violations to our attention.

In light of eBay's privacy policy, we cannot share with you any action
taken by eBay with respect to this listing. If we determine that the
listing violates this policy, we will remove the listing or suspend the
seller. Account suspensions are usually reserved for those sellers that
repeatedly disregard policy.

If the item you reported does not appear on its face to violate this
policy, we may refer it to the intellectual property rights owner for
review. If the rights owner has a good faith belief that the item is
infringing, they may choose to send eBay a formal request to remove the
listing. For more information on eBay's cooperation with rights owners,
please visit:

http://pages.ebay.com/help/confidenc...s-vero-ov.html

For more information on eBay's Replica and Counterfeit Items Policy,
please visit:

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/...unterfeit.html

Thank you for your report.

Regards,

The eBay Community Watch Team

[EvEr34]

Originally Posted by Spacedweller

Yes, you can under certain circumstances. It is called "Bid retraction".

http://pages.ebay.com/help/buy/quest...tract-bid.html

Not popular on eBay, but nevertheless possible.

No I mean you can't contact the bidder. Or at least I don't think so.

[BigHat]

Actually posting pics of a fake is a sign of a moron at work. Real sc*mbags use pics of perfect watches and what shows up in the box is an entirely different matter.

When the thief has tracking info that proves delivery, ebay couldn't care less and the matter often boils down to "you two need to work out this slight quality misunderstanding."

So when I got a piece of crap TAG knock-off instead of a $12K Panerai 233 it was a simple "condition of goods issue" for "scam bay." I thought the 233 was too new and too complex to fake. Didn't matter, he never had one anyway.

[timebroker]

Originally Posted by BigHat

Actually posting pics of a fake is a sign of a moron at work. Real sc*mbags use pics of perfect watches and what shows up in the box is an entirely different matter.

When the thief has tracking info that proves delivery, ebay couldn't care less and the matter often boils down to "you two need to work out this slight quality misunderstanding."

So when I got a piece of crap TAG knock-off instead of a $12K Panerai 233 it was a simple "condition of goods issue" for "scam bay." I thought the 233 was too new and too complex to fake. Didn't matter, he never had one anyway.

You never retrieved the money?

[BigHat]

Originally Posted by EvEr34

No I mean you can't contact the bidder. Or at least I don't think so.

ebay would rather see people get ripped off than allow you too warn a bidder. See if you could converse with a bidder, you might also poach an ebay sale and they'd lose their precious cut.

[BigHat]

Originally Posted by timebroker

You never retrieved the money?

Ebay and PayPal did nothing. Fortunately, the wire transfer from my brokerage account to my bank hit one day after the PayPal withdrawal. AMEX was used for $10K of it.

AMEX really went to bat for me but it was a big battle. When paypal ignored a few requests for data they just charged it back. I just ended the period where Paypal could challenge the charge back. Never heard a word on the subject.

Bottom line: It's ALL about their commissions and not about the customer. eBay claimed I needed to get a court order to remove the retribution nagative feedback I got for leaving it on the fraudulent seller. He asserted that I had failed to pay. Despite the fact that it was easy to prove that was a lie, they wouldn't do anything. A month later the negative feedback was pulled without comment. A very disorganized business. Steer clear.

So I lost just over the $1500.00 that was drafted from my checkbook. Stung, but actually feels pretty good when $11,500+ is at stake.

[timebroker]

Originally Posted by BigHat

Ebay and PayPal did nothing. Fortunately, the wire transfer from my brokerage account to my bank hit one day after the PayPal withdrawal. AMEX was used for $10K of it.

AMEX really went to bat for me but it was a big battle. When paypal ignored a few requests for data they just charged it back. I just ended the period where Paypal could challenge the charge back. Never heard a word on the subject.

Bottom line: It's ALL about their commissions and not about the customer. eBay claimed I needed to get a court order to remove the retribution nagative feedback I got for leaving it on the fraudulent seller. He asserted that I had failed to pay. Despite the fact that it was easy to prove that was a lie, they wouldn't do anything. A month later the negative feedback was pulled without comment. A very disorganized business. Steer clear.

So I lost just over the $1500.00 that was drafted from my checkbook. Stung, but actually feels pretty good when $11,500+ is at stake.

My thoughts exactly. Too bad of the 1500 but like you stated, take a loss and move on is better than losing everything.

[Lisa]

Well, wouldn't do any good to advise the bidders since it looks like they're shills, anyway.

[SPACE-DWELLER]

Originally Posted by EvEr34

No I mean you can't contact the bidder. Or at least I don't think so.

You can also contact the bidder, if the listing is not private, and if you have an eBay account yourself. Normally you would have to enter a "security" code (basically just enter some "distorted" numbers you get on your screen) and then you can send your post.

[XELOR]

Ha!

If you look at my first thread on TRF- my eBay seller was complaining because he normally charges a restocking fee...

this after he was advised that RUSA indicated the watch he sold me was a counterfeit...

I have the RUSA paperwork!

(eBay ID: AMORRIS9999)

Note: He did refund me with no "restocking fee". .

[Destroy]

Originally Posted by Zack

Honestly the movement is the only thing that looked fake at first glance to me. I just thought it was beat up real bad. I have a lot of work to do when it comes to spotting fakes. There's no better place to learn then here!


He's been a member since June and these are his 4 purchases...

Honda Acura Ultra Light 4340 Forged I-Beam Rods 909 (#230151352247)

Moroso 20911 1.8L Honda Acura B-Series Wet Sump Oil Pan (#300129139149)

ACURA HONDA RACE INTAKE MANIFOLD 97-01 B16A POLISHED (#220129829410)

Honda / Integra Civic Turbo Manifold and Downpipe (#250139299725)

Is it Shawncivic21?

If he's not using Mugen parts for his Honda, The Rolex is definitely a fake!!!

[llsteve80]

Well some poor sap bought it for around 1100 USD. Oops. We tried guys but the scammer may have one.

[Rockrolex]

Originally Posted by tomijantunen

HI; DOES THIS HAVE THE ORIGINAL 3035 CALIBER ROLEX MOVEMENT? THANKS, ANDY Sep-26-07
A: NOPE IT HAS THE ETA AUTOMATIC SWISS MOVEMENT. JEWELERS USE THIS MOVEMENT WHEN THEY REPLACE THE ORIGINAL ONE. I CAN GIVE YOU 3MONTH GUARANTEE ON THE MOVEMENT, THE GUARANTEE IS BETTER THAN MOST OF THE ROLEX WATCHES THEY SELL ON EBAY

Guaranteed fake. Not only is the seller a liar, but a bad one at that. No reputable jeweler is going to repalce a Rolex movement with an ETA. Why would you replace the movement in the first place? Sheesh, there are either stupid scammers or stupid buyers or both.

[ron17402]

Originally Posted by EvEr34

No I mean you can't contact the bidder. Or at least I don't think so.

I contacted the winning bidder. All you have to do is click on his screen name on the listing, and his recent transactions come up. There is a tab to contact the member on the left. I told him that the watch he just bought was fake.

I just hope he did not already pay for it.

[BigHat]

Originally Posted by ron17402

I contacted the winning bidder. All you have to do is click on his screen name on the listing, and his recent transactions come up. There is a tab to contact the member on the left. I told him that the watch he just bought was fake.

I just hope he did not already pay for it.

Glad that worked for you.

It's very spotty. I often get a notice that as you have no pending business with this member ebay precludes communication. If that person has something to sell on ebay you can indirectly inform them via the "Ask the seller a question" link.

[Tomi]

Originally Posted by Spacedweller

You can also contact the bidder, if the listing is not private, and if you have an eBay account yourself. Normally you would have to enter a "security" code (basically just enter some "distorted" numbers you get on your screen) and then you can send your post.

I've contacted a few winning bidders about fake watches. They've been very grateful about info I've gave for them. It's still possible for the winner to make a report about counterfeit products after the auction ends. With these private listings it's only the winner which can me contacted. I bet these sellers will contact every bidder which has took a part in their auction and give them a "good" offer about their junk.

Which I really don't get is why people keep buying watches without seeing the movement.
You can never know what you find inside the case...