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skyman51 · 12 April 2012, 11:23 PM

What is your opinion of a brand new 1991 Daytona that has sat on the shelf for 21 years with all original boxes,papers and tags. SS and 18kt gold with oyster bracelet and white face. What is a fair value in your opinion, and shouldn't it have a complete service after sitting so long? Model 16523. Asking price is $9,999.00 or best offer.

dpkong · 12 April 2012, 11:34 PM

is this even possible?

subtona · 12 April 2012, 11:37 PM

price seems more than fair (I would prefer SS.)
a zenith movement, i would definitely have a service, to put the grease and oil back where it belongs.
i suspect this could run you minimum of $600 but closer to $1000 for the zenith movement.

Keeperoftime · 12 April 2012, 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dpkong

is this even possible?

For a TT yes..

He said a shelf not at the A.Ds case

I personally wouldn't pay more than $6000.00ish (Needs servicing ect, its also TT--beautiful just not as desirable)

P.S I must just get "deals", I always feel like I'm the low-ball price guy lol.

datejust24 · 12 April 2012, 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dpkong

is this even possible?

I was thinking the same thing?

skyman51 · 13 April 2012, 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by subtona

price seems more than fair (I would prefer SS.)
a zenith movement, i would definitely have a service, to put the grease and oil back where it belongs.
i suspect this could run you minimum of $600 but closer to $1000 for the zenith movement.

It is a Zenith movement and I have been thinking the same ( is it possible) as many of you/ It is a Jeweler in Miami and I found it on ebay. The shop has very good feedback and many sales. I just thought it rather odd. Why was it never sold?

fusionstorm · 13 April 2012, 12:18 AM

The jeweler may have acquired it from the original owner more recently than 1991. There have been instances where a Rolex was gifted to or won by an individual who had no desire to wear it, and just stashed it away in a closet or desk.

Kingair · 13 April 2012, 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skyman51

It is a Zenith movement and I have been thinking the same ( is it possible) as many of you/ It is a Jeweler in Miami and I found it on ebay. The shop has very good feedback and many sales. I just thought it rather odd. Why was it never sold?

I noticed it to.
Ask he he gives you a service included in the sales price.
You never know if he agrees.

Good luck

Kingair · 13 April 2012, 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keeperoftime

For a TT yes..

He said a shelf not at the A.Ds case

I personally wouldn't pay more than $6000.00ish (Needs servicing ect, its also TT--beautiful just not as desirable)

P.S I must just get "deals", I always feel like I'm the low-ball price guy lol.

Do you know where I can find a Daytona for $ 6K ?
I can live with a TT.
This would be a nice birthday present for my wife (next year 40)
You can PM me ASAP !

Told you I was going to use the help from my Louisiana friends ;-)

Thanks

subtona · 13 April 2012, 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skyman51

It is a Zenith movement and I have been thinking the same ( is it possible) as many of you/ It is a Jeweler in Miami and I found it on ebay. The shop has very good feedback and many sales. I just thought it rather odd. Why was it never sold?

fyi, i bought my sub in 1991 when i couldn't get a daytona... last year i finally got my hands on a daytona and kept it for about 2 months, then sold it.
i just couldn't read the dial as easy as my sub... it was a buzz kill but i got my money back as it was a SS, these are easy to sell. selling the TT not as easy?

if its what you want, go for it.... but if you have any reservations, you may be out some cash for your adventure.

Kingair · 13 April 2012, 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by subtona

fyi, i bought my sub in 1991 when i couldn't get a daytona... last year i finally got my hands on a daytona and kept it for about 2 months, then sold it.
i just couldn't read the dial as easy as my sub... it was a buzz kill but i got my money back as it was a SS, these are easy to sell. selling the TT not as easy?

if its what you want, go for it.... but if you have any reservations, you may be out some cash for your adventure.

This is the first post I read about a non satisfied Daytona owner
Everybody I know is dreaming with their eyes wide open of owning one . . .
But I guess you are right . . . I never owned one . . .
Any other TRF's who have problem reading the time on their $ 10K+ watch ?
Would like to read some comments

Thanks

azguy · 13 April 2012, 12:34 AM

It's no special deal at $10,000

I keep hearing that white dial Daytona's are very hard to read

Myself, I'm a TT lover

lsavoldi · 13 April 2012, 12:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kingair

Do you know where I can find a Daytona for $ 6K ?
I can live with a TT.
This would be a nice birthday present for my wife (next year 40)
You can PM me ASAP !

Told you I was going to use the help from my Louisiana friends ;-)

Thanks

Don't think you will ever get a Daytona for 6k ( especially a full set).
I am not a big fan of TT Daytonas, but assuming this watch is OK, 7-8k seems pretty fair to me.

conrail · 13 April 2012, 01:00 AM

TTs come up around $7-8k. SS ones I've seen as low as $8,600 recently.

skyman51 · 13 April 2012, 01:09 AM

I have low vision problems and the watch that I can actually read the time is my vintage 1977 GMT Mster 1675, with the matte black dial and white hands and markers. Good contrast for me.

psv · 13 April 2012, 01:09 AM

To the OP:
it is a fair deal, but keep in mind that you'll lose money on it as soon as you resize the watch. This particular piece is only worth more because it is NOS, but as soon as you touch it, the value will be $7,500-$8,000 as the TT Zeniths are worth considerably less than the ss ones. They simply aren't as popular or in the same demand.

On the Daytona topic:
There are plenty of people who have bought and then sold the Daytonas. They possess a special place in Rolex and watch history, but many people, including myself, simply find the dial too cluttered and time too hard to tell. The lack of date doesn't help, nor does the polished center links.

I've both the 16520 and the 116520, I really wanted to love them but alas it wasn't for me.

subtona · 13 April 2012, 01:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kingair

This is the first post I read about a non satisfied Daytona owner
Everybody I know is dreaming with their eyes wide open of owning one . . .
But I guess you are right . . . I never owned one . . .
Any other TRF's who have problem reading the time on their $ 10K+ watch ?
Would like to read some comments

Thanks

you'll find a lot of folks have a hard time seeing this dial the hands catch and reflect light which makes them hard to see and the lume is but a thin strip, the hands on the zenith are also thinner than the newer daytonas (the new 116520 started with thin hands and switched midway) there are also debates over which dials are harder to see specifically black vs white... zenith in white was said to be more visible than black.

it is an iconic watch and i got more compliments on my daytona in 2 months than on my sub in the last 10 years... i traded it for a LV, my girlfriend really likes the green in my 16610LV, i have no regrets here and you can save a few bucks

surely this FS post will shed some light on the question:
https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=227927

Keeperoftime · 13 April 2012, 02:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kingair

Do you know where I can find a Daytona for $ 6K ?
I can live with a TT.
This would be a nice birthday present for my wife (next year 40)
You can PM me ASAP !

Told you I was going to use the help from my Louisiana friends ;-)

Thanks

I'll keep an eye out, I come across some interesting items down here

mannyv11 · 13 April 2012, 02:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keeperoftime

I'll keep an eye out, I come across some interesting items down here

If you're finding great deals keep an eye out for me SS sub of any kind =)

White_Au · 13 April 2012, 02:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by psv

The lack of date doesn't help, nor does the polished center links.

Funny, since that is exactly why I like it!

Guess that's why Rolex makes so many different models, something for everyone.

Kingair · 13 April 2012, 02:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keeperoftime

I'll keep an eye out, I come across some interesting items down here

Just let me know.
I'll buy an airline ticket and be at your door 15 hours later !
Anyway I am end of june in Miami.
Not that far depending where you live in Louisiana ;-)
Thanks

Robbyvm · 13 April 2012, 02:29 AM

the only Daytona that does it for me is the 6263... but that's a personal opinion...

if you like the watch, make him a best offer but i agree with the quote that the value will drop as soon as it stops being NOS

Kingair · 13 April 2012, 02:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbyvm

the only Daytona that does it for me is the 6263... but that's a personal opinion...

if you like the watch, make him a best offer but i agree with the quote that the value will drop as soon as it stops being NOS

I know . . .
There was a 6239 Dial Double Swiss for sale on Ebay last week $ 30K . .
A guy working at the Austrian Embassy in Moscow needing the money . . .
He also had a DDII and another Rolex for sale

You can give it a shot . . . . no guts no glory . . . .

I go for option number 2 !

yessir69 · 13 April 2012, 06:57 AM

I bought a NOS 16520 last year. 1991 model, last of the matte bracelets white dial and an inverted 6. Still had all the plastic on it. Paid 14k for it and was glad to do it for a truly new watch. Winding was a little tight, but it ran great. Because it was a Mark III it was rare, hence the price. Never regretted it. Hope this helps.

slcbbrown · 14 April 2012, 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by conrail

TTs come up around $7-8k. SS ones I've seen as low as $8,600 recently.

$8,500, or so, would be a good price for a well used, tt Daytona from the early to mid 90's. A completely unused version is a different matter. IMO, $9,000+ is an OK price if you want this exact watch.

Kingair · 14 April 2012, 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slcbbrown

$8,500, or so, would be a good price for a well used, tt Daytona from the early to mid 90's. A completely unused version is a different matter. IMO, $9,000+ is an OK price if you want this exact watch.

TT are mostly a little cheaper
But . . . . they are harder to resell.
And . . . I like them not that much . . .
A Sub TT is OK for me but the Daytona . . . maybe it needs to grow on me ?

HANW

Andad · 14 April 2012, 07:15 PM

Seems a bit expensive to me.

BTW I wear my white Daytona.

I use my iPhone for the time.

Passionata · 14 April 2012, 08:02 PM

For 6k i d buy a dozen

Kingair · 14 April 2012, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passionata

For 6k i d buy a dozen

I know we all do ;-)
But if one pops up somewhere . . .

HANW

12 April 2012, 11:23 PM	#1
skyman51 Banned Join Date: Feb 2012 Real Name: Rob Location: Pennsylvania, USA Watch: 114060 ND SUB C Posts: 230	1991 NOS Daytona What is your opinion of a brand new 1991 Daytona that has sat on the shelf for 21 years with all original boxes,papers and tags. SS and 18kt gold with oyster bracelet and white face. What is a fair value in your opinion, and shouldn't it have a complete service after sitting so long? Model 16523. Asking price is $9,999.00 or best offer.

12 April 2012, 11:37 PM	#3
subtona "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: gus Location: East Coast Watch: APK & sometimes Y Posts: 26,543	price seems more than fair (I would prefer SS.) a zenith movement, i would definitely have a service, to put the grease and oil back where it belongs. i suspect this could run you minimum of $600 but closer to $1000 for the zenith movement. __________________

13 April 2012, 12:18 AM	#7
fusionstorm "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Piedmont, CA Watch: various vintage Posts: 2,272	The jeweler may have acquired it from the original owner more recently than 1991. There have been instances where a Rolex was gifted to or won by an individual who had no desire to wear it, and just stashed it away in a closet or desk. __________________ 1680 MK II 2.2M (my daily); 1655 MK IV 8.1M (my 1st vintage); 16660 x 4 - 8.0M spider & matte 7.4M, 8.0M, 8.0M; 16610LV F MK I/MK I; 116528 Z; 14060 M COSC; Tudor 75090 Gone.....never forgotten: 14000 F, 14060 V COSC, PAM 048, 16623 F, 1680 MK V 3.1M, 16800 matte 8.3M & 1655 MK IV 7.4M

13 April 2012, 01:00 AM	#14
conrail "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Boston Posts: 3,177	TTs come up around $7-8k. SS ones I've seen as low as $8,600 recently. __________________ "Oh, you give a f****' aspirin a headache, pal!"

14 April 2012, 07:15 PM	#27
Andad 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Eddie Location: Australia Watch: A few. Posts: 37,475	Seems a bit expensive to me. BTW I wear my white Daytona. I use my iPhone for the time. __________________ E

12 April 2012, 11:34 PM	#2
dpkong "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: Don Location: Borneo Watch: it! Posts: 864	is this even possible?

13 April 2012, 12:34 AM	#12
azguy Banned Join Date: Sep 2011 Real Name: ------- Location: ------- Watch: --------- Posts: 12,609	It's no special deal at $10,000 I keep hearing that white dial Daytona's are very hard to read Myself, I'm a TT lover

13 April 2012, 01:09 AM	#15
skyman51 Banned Join Date: Feb 2012 Real Name: Rob Location: Pennsylvania, USA Watch: 114060 ND SUB C Posts: 230	I have low vision problems and the watch that I can actually read the time is my vintage 1977 GMT Mster 1675, with the matte black dial and white hands and markers. Good contrast for me.

13 April 2012, 01:09 AM	#16
psv 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: USA & France Posts: 11,078	To the OP: it is a fair deal, but keep in mind that you'll lose money on it as soon as you resize the watch. This particular piece is only worth more because it is NOS, but as soon as you touch it, the value will be $7,500-$8,000 as the TT Zeniths are worth considerably less than the ss ones. They simply aren't as popular or in the same demand. On the Daytona topic: There are plenty of people who have bought and then sold the Daytonas. They possess a special place in Rolex and watch history, but many people, including myself, simply find the dial too cluttered and time too hard to tell. The lack of date doesn't help, nor does the polished center links. I've both the 16520 and the 116520, I really wanted to love them but alas it wasn't for me.

13 April 2012, 02:29 AM	#22
Robbyvm "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Belgium Posts: 2,239	the only Daytona that does it for me is the 6263... but that's a personal opinion... if you like the watch, make him a best offer but i agree with the quote that the value will drop as soon as it stops being NOS

13 April 2012, 06:57 AM	#24
yessir69 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2011 Real Name: Kevin Location: Tornado Alley Posts: 3,287	I bought a NOS 16520 last year. 1991 model, last of the matte bracelets white dial and an inverted 6. Still had all the plastic on it. Paid 14k for it and was glad to do it for a truly new watch. Winding was a little tight, but it ran great. Because it was a Mark III it was rare, hence the price. Never regretted it. Hope this helps.

14 April 2012, 08:02 PM	#28
Passionata "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: N/A Watch: the girls Posts: 7,095	For 6k i d buy a dozen __________________ Best George "Also remember that feet don't get fat and a watch will always speak volumes." Robert Johnston --------------------- newhttps://youtu.be/EljAF-uddhE new http://youtu.be/ZmpLoO1Q8eQ IG @passionata1

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