Exp 2: k for g?

[bailey19]

Hi Guys,

I currently have a k serial, 16570 explorer which am thinking of flipping to obtain a (several months old) g serial one. My main reasons for doing so are: 1. To obtain one of the last versions produced for this model (I love the old exp2!!), not to mention a cosmetically newer and fresher case ; and 2. The 3186 movement.

While I do appreciate the lug holes-SEL combination of my K serial (additionally, many folks say that there is no significant difference between the 3185 and 3186 movement), I also feel that upgrading to the last iteration of the 16570 makes sense. The upgrade, however, will cost around $1400. I can come up with the funds but am thinking: is it too much money for what is essentially the same watch?

What do you guys think? What would you do in my shoes?

Thanks!

[toph]

I think you should be happy with what you have, $1400 wasted in my opinion. put it towrads something else.

Then again do what makes you happy

[MortgageGuy]

I guess it would depend on the condition of both watches... If yours has considerable wear and is in need of a service or has not been in the last 5-7 years then I say yes I would make the flip for 1k or so... If not then I would keep what you have.

Some love the lug holes others do not so you will get quite a mix of responses IMO but at the end of the day I think condition will make the decision. The minimal movement changes from a 3185 to 3186 would not get my $$$ alone

[w4rmk]

I agree, seems like a waste, and I think the lug holes/SEL combo is just as collectable, if not more so because this combo was only made for a short time. I have the same setup on my A serial and I think it's the best mix before the new solid bracelets came out.

[Monte Cristo]

"...... is it too much money for what is essentially the same watch?"

yes - IMO put the $1400 towards something else.

[stankeyleg]

Originally Posted by MortgageGuy

I guess it would depend on the condition of both watches... If yours has considerable wear and is in need of a service or has not been in the last 5-7 years then I say yes I would make the flip for 1k or so... If not then I would keep what you have.

x2 keep in mind service cost 600$ minimum.

[gimpex]

I also think the $1400 is too much. Half of that ( being the service costs ) would be more appropriate amount for me to make the switch.

[brettpaul]

Don't do it! Keep the one you have and save for a SEL Sub with lug holes!!

[ecsub44]

I think the question is the equivalent to taking your money to the bank and asking for all fresh, new, crisp bills. 100% pointless. Money does the same thing whether it's old and worn or new and fresh.

Same thing with your watch. It would be a waste of $1,400 in my opinion.

[93 Turbo]

Hey, I have 16570 Polar with the 3186 mvt, SEL and no lug holes. I want to add to the collection an earlier 3185 mvt, non SEL & lug holes black faced Exp II. I'm going backwards...

The 3186 movement improvements as stated previously by more learned members here are minor compared to the 3185 mvt. Each provided they are serviced and regulated will preform identically.

You have a great watch. I'd keep it. Just my 2c worth. Good luck

[bailey19]

Actually from my pov, the main and essential pros of the flip are: 1. Naturally, i get a watch case in better condition ( e.g. The crown guards of the k has lost some of its sharpness though the lugs are in fantastic shape) 2. Movement of the g wont need a service for another 5 years whereas the k is just about at that time. Would these factors in themselves be enough to justify the price?

[dysondiver]

better the devil you know ,,, id stick.

[tomchicago]

not sure if the K has lugholes & SEL but if it does, then I would NOT flip it to a G. I have M polar EII & have to say 3186 movement is nice. But, if I had older one with lugholes & SEL I would keep it.

[bailey19]

Originally Posted by tomchicago

not sure if the K has lugholes & SEL but if it does, then I would NOT flip it to a G. I have M polar EII & have to say 3186 movement is nice. But, if I had older one with lugholes & SEL I would keep it.

Yup- its included in that "small window" of serials with that combo ( i think from A serial to the Y)

[azguy]

I would not do it unless I could get the $1,400 down to $1,000. Your watch will need service at some point so call it $500, that would mena the new watch would cost about $500, net, which I could live with

[Cru Jones]

i don't agree with the comments that the two watches are the same, so, why pay more? now, i'm not saying the G is "better", but, it IS "different": bigger dial & case, it's thicker, it's heavier, it has the solid link bracelet, beefed up clasp with microadjustment, maxi dial, orange text/hand, huge hands, blue lume, A/R on underside of cyclops.

also, the G will have the 3187 (not 3186) movement (not that there is much of any important difference between it and the 3185).

if anything, i'm surprised the difference is "only" $1,400....sounds like a good deal. if you prefer the 216570, why not?

[Tools]

These things are always personal decisions.. If people didn't change around and sell/buy, there wouldn't be the active reseller business there is..

If you want a "fresher" version, go for it.

[bailey19]

Originally Posted by Cru Jones

i don't agree with the comments that the two watches are the same, so, why pay more? now, i'm not saying the G is "better", but, it IS "different": bigger dial & case, it's thicker, it's heavier, it has the solid link bracelet, beefed up clasp with microadjustment, maxi dial, orange text/hand, huge hands, blue lume, A/R on underside of cyclops.

also, the G will have the 3187 (not 3186) movement (not that there is much of any important difference between it and the 3185).

if anything, i'm surprised the difference is "only" $1,400....sounds like a good deal. if you prefer the 216570, why not?

The older 16570s reached g serialdom before they were discontinued.

[Cru Jones]

Originally Posted by bailey19

The older 16570s reached g serialdom before they were discontinued.

oh.....ooops! if OP was talking about switching one 16570 for another 16570 then, yes, 100% agree with the others, there is no point.

[corysontag]

I have learned from this forum in the short time, go for what you love. if you love the new model knock it out, if you would love a change put the 1400 toward something else. Either way good luck

[SILVERMX]

I would do it

[tomchicago]

Originally Posted by bailey19

Yup- its included in that "small window" of serials with that combo ( i think from A serial to the Y)

Then I say DON'T switch. lughole+SEL is an awesome watch. enjoy it.

[tomchicago]

and post pic!

[p_mcgee]

There was another thread awhile ago that illustrated that the black outlines around the markers were thinned out in the later 16570 series. I like the older look better.