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ipomfrey · 23 May 2012, 03:28 AM

Hello eveyone, i'm new to this forum and would appreciate some opinions on this Submariner. It is a 16610 t d series, it has the etched glass, the bracelet has 93250 and date stamp cl1. Sorry about the quality pic of the movement, took it quickly whilst the back was off!
Opinions appreciated.
Thanks
Ian
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ipomfrey · 26 May 2012, 05:05 PM

Come on guys, need some advice as to whether this is genuine or not.
Thanks

Spunga · 26 May 2012, 05:37 PM

Looks okay to me.
But I'm a fake spotting nooby.

ipomfrey · 26 May 2012, 08:36 PM

Thanks for the reply, wouldn't mind a few more opinions if poss

onions · 26 May 2012, 08:43 PM

Nothing alarming jumping out at me, but could do with some more photos, particularly of the clasp and number and also the pins joining... Tentitive

But I think you should wait until one of the experts chimes in...

TimeToGo · 26 May 2012, 08:43 PM

Do you have a better picture of the clasp with the codes?

ipomfrey · 26 May 2012, 08:52 PM

Sorry but the watch is not in my possesion and these are the only photos i have

TimeToGo · 26 May 2012, 08:55 PM

I would not buy this watch based on those pictures. Who is selling this watch? Ebay, individual?

The dial does not look right. Look at the spacing on "certified" between the C E R ...

Galump · 27 May 2012, 01:14 AM

Just looked at my watch under a loupe. The C and E are not touching. They are on the dial of this wat

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Blong · 27 May 2012, 01:36 AM

Swiss Made looks to be spaced too far, the crown looks too close to the L in Rolex.....plus I don't think you should be able to see the crown etching that easily in the first pic.....definite fake to me!!

ipomfrey · 27 May 2012, 02:47 AM

It's a difficult one as some of the things mentioned could be because of camera angle and light refraction. I googled the glass etching and there are many references to it being seen when using a flash. As for spacing, Ive compared many.
http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=209232
This one looks almost the same.
Thanks
For the opinions and keep them coming

bondtoys · 27 May 2012, 02:54 AM

The background of the "movement shot" is different, so you may get a different movement in the watch shown in the other pics.
Besides of the printing issues, I would never buy a watch only based on pics.

Ask the seller where you can meet in person because you want the watch being checked by a local expert and see what he replies

P.S.
Rhe lume at 5" does not look right. It seems to sit too high compared th the lume of a genuine watch.

And the end link at 6 looks dodgy as well

ipomfrey · 27 May 2012, 03:04 AM

Thanks for your input guys. I'm a total newbie to Rolex and all your opinions at greatly received. I would know no better. Obviously not a obvious copy if it is.
Thanks

jhupp · 27 May 2012, 03:20 AM

The end links look terrible to me. Why not buy from a trusted seller on here?

4vCoupe · 27 May 2012, 04:23 AM

I'm a newbie but the font in Rolex seems to be all the same width.

cajunron · 28 May 2012, 12:10 AM

Look at how large the lume dot is on the second hand compared to other subs.

ROGERB · 28 May 2012, 09:01 AM

LEC way too visible...face looks like a maxi dial ...end SEL links poorly shaped.....bad looking pearl....out of focus picture of movement WAY TOO convienent....Pass I think it's a Fake!
IMHO
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mrbill2mrbill2 · 28 May 2012, 09:06 AM

I have held off for a while waiting to see where this would go.

My advise:

Run Forrest Run!

rolex_london · 28 May 2012, 09:38 AM

I'd say fake because of the fonts

rolex_london · 28 May 2012, 09:40 AM

The 1000 is ridiculous and the 123 and 4 looks smaller than the rest, plus I've seen them fake movements

GradyPhilpott · 28 May 2012, 10:16 AM

It's an absolute fake.

The pearl is all wrong. The date font is messy, in fact all the fonts are messy. The solid end-links are wrong and the LEC is as big as a horsefly.

crowncollection · 28 May 2012, 10:58 AM

lec is to prominent and not dotted like the real one it appears with solid lines, fake imho, movement photo is different to all the others, band markings are obscure, yet he can get a pretty clear photo of the face ??

Sig228 · 28 May 2012, 01:15 PM

The 10 on the bezel is not centered. The date looks almost hand stenciled. I vote fake too.

robertneville · 29 May 2012, 09:52 PM

junk.

MoBe · 29 May 2012, 10:34 PM

100% genuine counterfeit!

1675-David · 29 May 2012, 10:37 PM

the movement is also fake

Blong · 29 May 2012, 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ipomfrey

It's a difficult one as some of the things mentioned could be because of camera angle and light refraction. I googled the glass etching and there are many references to it being seen when using a flash. As for spacing, Ive compared many.
http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=209232
This one looks almost the same.
Thanks
For the opinions and keep them coming

The spacing is completely different....the spacing on your photo has the Swiss Made outside of the 28 and 32 markers, while the example you chose of a real submariner shows the proper spacing inside of the 28 and 32 markers....the Swiss Made as shown on your photos is a tell tale sign of a fake.

azguy · 30 May 2012, 12:57 AM

Fake, no reason to messa round with a late model 16610, just buy one from a trusted TRF seller and you be fine...

23 May 2012, 03:28 AM	#1
ipomfrey Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Brighton Posts: 18	Submariner Opinion Hello eveyone, i'm new to this forum and would appreciate some opinions on this Submariner. It is a 16610 t d series, it has the etched glass, the bracelet has 93250 and date stamp cl1. Sorry about the quality pic of the movement, took it quickly whilst the back was off! Opinions appreciated. Thanks Ian

27 May 2012, 01:14 AM	#9
Galump Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Real Name: Martin Location: MS Gulf Coast Watch: Rolex 116203 Posts: 78	Looks wrong Just looked at my watch under a loupe. The C and E are not touching. They are on the dial of this watch

27 May 2012, 01:36 AM	#10
Blong "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Real Name: Brian Location: Manhattan Watch: 116520 Black Posts: 287	Also... Swiss Made looks to be spaced too far, the crown looks too close to the L in Rolex.....plus I don't think you should be able to see the crown etching that easily in the first pic.....definite fake to me!!

28 May 2012, 12:10 AM	#16
cajunron 2025 TitaniumYM Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Ronnie Location: Southeastern USA Watch: Omega Seamaster PO Posts: 3,885	Look at how large the lume dot is on the second hand compared to other subs. __________________

28 May 2012, 09:01 AM	#17
ROGERB "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Roger Location: WHITE ROCK BC Watch: 89 16610, 57 7914, Posts: 897	LEC way too visible...face looks like a maxi dial ...end SEL links poorly shaped.....bad looking pearl....out of focus picture of movement WAY TOO convienent....Pass I think it's a Fake! IMHO R Last edited by ROGERB; 28 May 2012 at 09:03 AM.. Reason: pearl comment

26 May 2012, 05:05 PM	#2
ipomfrey Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Brighton Posts: 18	Come on guys, need some advice as to whether this is genuine or not. Thanks

26 May 2012, 05:37 PM	#3
Spunga Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: England Posts: 650	Looks okay to me. But I'm a fake spotting nooby.

26 May 2012, 08:36 PM	#4
ipomfrey Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Brighton Posts: 18	Thanks for the reply, wouldn't mind a few more opinions if poss

26 May 2012, 08:43 PM	#5
onions "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Worldwide Posts: 381	Nothing alarming jumping out at me, but could do with some more photos, particularly of the clasp and number and also the pins joining... Tentitive But I think you should wait until one of the experts chimes in...

26 May 2012, 08:43 PM	#6
TimeToGo 2025 TitaniumYM Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: North Florida Posts: 16,793	Do you have a better picture of the clasp with the codes?

26 May 2012, 08:52 PM	#7
ipomfrey Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Brighton Posts: 18	Sorry but the watch is not in my possesion and these are the only photos i have

26 May 2012, 08:55 PM	#8
TimeToGo 2025 TitaniumYM Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: North Florida Posts: 16,793	I would not buy this watch based on those pictures. Who is selling this watch? Ebay, individual? The dial does not look right. Look at the spacing on "certified" between the C E R ...

27 May 2012, 02:47 AM	#11
ipomfrey Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Brighton Posts: 18	It's a difficult one as some of the things mentioned could be because of camera angle and light refraction. I googled the glass etching and there are many references to it being seen when using a flash. As for spacing, Ive compared many. http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=209232 This one looks almost the same. Thanks For the opinions and keep them coming

27 May 2012, 02:54 AM	#12
bondtoys "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: World Watch: 16750 Posts: 2,736	The background of the "movement shot" is different, so you may get a different movement in the watch shown in the other pics. Besides of the printing issues, I would never buy a watch only based on pics. Ask the seller where you can meet in person because you want the watch being checked by a local expert and see what he replies P.S. Rhe lume at 5" does not look right. It seems to sit too high compared th the lume of a genuine watch. And the end link at 6 looks dodgy as well

27 May 2012, 03:04 AM	#13
ipomfrey Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Brighton Posts: 18	Thanks for your input guys. I'm a total newbie to Rolex and all your opinions at greatly received. I would know no better. Obviously not a obvious copy if it is. Thanks

27 May 2012, 03:20 AM	#14
jhupp "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: NJ / PA / FL Watch: Exp 1 and 2 Posts: 284	The end links look terrible to me. Why not buy from a trusted seller on here?

27 May 2012, 04:23 AM	#15
4vCoupe "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: USA Watch: GMT Master 16750 Posts: 795	I'm a newbie but the font in Rolex seems to be all the same width.

28 May 2012, 09:06 AM	#18
mrbill2mrbill2 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Real Name: Mr. Bill Location: South Florida Watch: 16610 Posts: 6,148	I have held off for a while waiting to see where this would go. My advise: Run Forrest Run! __________________ Card Carrying Member of the Global Association of the Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons - ID # 13

28 May 2012, 09:38 AM	#19
rolex_london "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: london Watch: Sub n DJ Posts: 78	I'd say fake because of the fonts

28 May 2012, 09:40 AM	#20
rolex_london "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: london Watch: Sub n DJ Posts: 78	The 1000 is ridiculous and the 123 and 4 looks smaller than the rest, plus I've seen them fake movements

28 May 2012, 10:16 AM	#21
GradyPhilpott 2025 TitaniumYM Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: New Mexico Watch: 116900 Posts: 34,494	It's an absolute fake. The pearl is all wrong. The date font is messy, in fact all the fonts are messy. The solid end-links are wrong and the LEC is as big as a horsefly. __________________ JJ Inaugural TRF $50 Watch Challenge Winner

28 May 2012, 10:58 AM	#22
crowncollection "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: David Location: australia Posts: 20,247	lec is to prominent and not dotted like the real one it appears with solid lines, fake imho, movement photo is different to all the others, band markings are obscure, yet he can get a pretty clear photo of the face ?? __________________ watches many

28 May 2012, 01:15 PM	#23
Sig228 Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Real Name: Jim Location: Miami Watch: 14060M Posts: 102	The 10 on the bezel is not centered. The date looks almost hand stenciled. I vote fake too.

29 May 2012, 09:52 PM	#24
robertneville "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: Greg Location: PA Watch: me burn Posts: 1,435	junk. __________________ Motocross is life!

29 May 2012, 10:34 PM	#25
MoBe "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Canada Posts: 6,773	100% genuine counterfeit!

29 May 2012, 10:37 PM	#26
1675-David "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Stockholm Posts: 6,069	the movement is also fake

30 May 2012, 12:57 AM	#28
azguy Banned Join Date: Sep 2011 Real Name: ------- Location: ------- Watch: --------- Posts: 12,609	Fake, no reason to messa round with a late model 16610, just buy one from a trusted TRF seller and you be fine...

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