BNIB 14060M 2005 "D" series a risk?

[knoffie]

I have the opportunity to buy a BNIB 2 line 14060M sub. But I am worried about the state of the oils. As it is nearly 7 years old would it need a service? Its a fairly high price and if it needed a service straight away that would be a "deal breaker " for me. If the watch has not been used will the oils dry out in 7 years?
Should I worry , or just buy it ?
Knoffie

[Art 1]

It could or is close to needing a service. Try to get a better price to reflect this.

[TakmaN]

I would have a service cost reflected in the price. Sometimes it's worse if a watch sits around not running. Either way it is due for a service.

[STEELINOX]

Tell the seller to knock $900 right off the top, that shuld cover the service - your time and any incidentals including some level of inconvenience...

Take it or leave it !

[edit> make it $1,200 better yet]

[Clay]

It depends on how bad you want an NOS 14060m???
They are no longer making that model so NOS examples are few and far between...

[knoffie]

Its a 2005 model. price is $5K which I realise is at the top end , but is $700 less than what was being asked. It comes with a 12 month guarantee. These models semed to have jumped up quite a lot in the past 12 months. My question still is : Do the oils deteriorate to the point that a service is a MUST ?
Knoffie

[chiko323]

I believe the synthetic oils they use now do not deteriorate much and you should be fine. I could be wrong tho...

[time168]

Originally Posted by knoffie

I have the opportunity to buy a BNIB 2 line 14060M sub. But I am worried about the state of the oils. As it is nearly 7 years old would it need a service? Its a fairly high price and if it needed a service straight away that would be a "deal breaker " for me. If the watch has not been used will the oils dry out in 7 years?
Should I worry , or just buy it ?
Knoffie

My wife's oyster date is from 1977 and has never seen the light of service, yet still runs incredibly accurate. it's a testament to rolex build quality and longevity. If it's running fine, it should continue to do so beyond the 12 month guarantee.

[Clay]

Here's the question...Is it for wearing or keeping???
If it is indeed, NOS BNIB, and you are buying it to wear, the moment you put it on, the value goes down....If that is a concern, then buy a nice used example...
If, you are buying it as a collectors piece to put away, then I would buy it and hang on to it...
I just bought a beautiful P series 14060M complete with Box and papers. The watch is in fabulous condition and I paid WAY less then what this person is asking for this 14060M...And I can wear it to death with no worries...
I owe two 16600 Sea Dwellers....
A K series that I wear all the time, and a Y series (Last of the 16600 with lug holes) that is NOS with all the stickers still on that I am hanging on to...
It really depends on what your plans for the watch are...???

[joffrey888]

deduct an estimate service fee when you buy, so that if ever it will be needing one after you have it then you already have the budget....

[Time2time]

Factor the service cost in and buy it.

At the end of the day it's still 7 years old.

[NeedHelp]

I just picked up a NOS P series Explorer 1. I had the same concerns so I took it straight to my CW21 certified watchmaker. It was running +4 seconds per day but I still had my concerns due to the age. He checked it and stated the movement was properly lubricated and the amplitude was where it should be. He further stated if it were his he would not even consider a service. He installed a new case back gasket, pressure tested it and sent me on my way.

[knoffie]

Thanks everyone for your input to my concerns over the possible need for an unworn 14060M "F" series to have a service. I contacted Rolex Melb today and they suggested strongly that after 7..possibly 8 years , even if unused the oils would have deteriorated and it would need a service. Cost $600.00
So I rang the dealer with Rolex's comments and he agreed that it would need a service. On the timer it was running 310 degrees amplitude and + 7 secs per day..which I could not accept.
So its back to the drawing board. I will keep looking as I had one 6 years ago and after a datejust, Explorer, and 16610 ..I found myself wanting to go back to the simplicity of the 14060M
So if anyone out there has a a similiar watch in Australia pm me.
Knoffie

[zeuloa]

Originally Posted by knoffie

Its a 2005 model. price is $5K which I realise is at the top end , but is $700 less than what was being asked. It comes with a 12 month guarantee. These models semed to have jumped up quite a lot in the past 12 months. My question still is : Do the oils deteriorate to the point that a service is a MUST ?
Knoffie

Is it from an AD? If it is it should have the Rolex 2 year warranty. If this is the case you can send it to RSC with the excuse of gaining too much time and they will perform a service movement If needed under warranty.

If you don't mind a 4 liner, they can still be found at ADs. I saw one at Tourneau the other day.

[padi56]

Originally Posted by knoffie

I have the opportunity to buy a BNIB 2 line 14060M sub. But I am worried about the state of the oils. As it is nearly 7 years old would it need a service? Its a fairly high price and if it needed a service straight away that would be a "deal breaker " for me. If the watch has not been used will the oils dry out in 7 years?
Should I worry , or just buy it ?
Knoffie

Well first Rolex have never made a series on any watch they are just case stamp serials nothing more now D serial could be from 2005/6.Now thats when the case was stamped and not always when the watch was made.Now with today's obsession with case stamps and how long a watch is at AD and will the oil dry out.Perhaps some think its like the oil sump in a car,the amount of oil needed to correctly oil a watch is just a few very tiny drops you could fit on a few pin heads.If I remember it was around 2000 I bought several Rolex Tudors from a guy called Franz in Germany this was my first quite big international transaction.Now all these Tudors were from his huge private collection several hundred watches and all were from the mid 1960s very early 1970s.All were BNIB never been worn boxes tags papers etc even the price tags,and as far as I know not even wound since bought new. But I just wound them and tried them all before buying they all worked fine and started immediately.Now I sold most of them in the UK, but kept a few for myself and one lady Tudor for the wife.Now this watch was from late 1969 early 1970s and it had been sat in its box for around 30 years.But I gave it a full wind and it started straight away and ran well and kept excellent time,and some of you guys today worry about modern day Rolex sat at ADs for a few years with todays synthetic oils got to make this old guy smile..But after a month of the wife wearing it I gave it to my watchmaker friend to give it a service and check it over.He remarked there was still oil on the vital parts and movement was still as new condition. But he did give just a oil and seal service that was around 12 years ago.Now wife wears the watch almost daily and it still keeps remarkable time for a old Tudor timer but is now due for a full service very soon although it still keeps excellent time.And just because it tests as +7 on a machine don't mean it will be the same on the wrist and regulation is a very very simple thing to do a 30 minute job at most.And even at +7 seconds its a fraction over the COSC spec but 7 seconds out of 86400 in a day is still showing 99.993% accuracy.And no matter what the case stamp is if its bought new at a AD they all have a two year warranty.

[Andad]

Buy it and wear it.

If you CAN squeeze a better deal then give it a go but they are not making any more.
IMO I doubt you will get another $900 - $1200 off.
A BNIB 14060M for $3800.00. - how many does he have???? -I'll take them all.
At our current exchange rate.

[The Joker]

I'd take the risk if you really want the watch. Obviously use it's age as a bargining tool if possible.

And like you said, you have a 12 month warrenty, if it runs fine in that time, most likely run fine for many more years.

[Time2time]

That's a great story Padi.

[zak98]

deduct $500 for std service and prob. a mainspring replacement. and enjoy the watch. no risk in my humble opinion. if the seller does not go for it, search for-sale forums.. there are a lot out there. enjoy!