Tudor Vs. Omega

[Maxtor]

The watch that makes you happiest is the better watch... for you.

[Deyn Man]

in terms of servicing, though the new co-axials have longer service periods, locally servicing "new" omega movements (not sure yet if they are for the 8500, perhaps for the 2500) do cost you an arm and a leg! -- perhaps because of added costs such as buffing and cleaning (this i am not really sure). if i remember correctly, i think they are twice that of a rolex service? is this true as well in other countries?

[The GMT Master]

Originally Posted by Deyn Man

in terms of servicing, though the new co-axials have longer service periods, locally servicing "new" omega movements (not sure yet if they are for the 8500, perhaps for the 2500) do cost you an arm and a leg! -- perhaps because of added costs such as buffing and cleaning (this i am not really sure). if i remember correctly, i think they are twice that of a rolex service? is this true as well in other countries?

Certainly not the case over here. A full service from Omega for a Co-Ax piece costs about £300, a standard service for most Rolexes now is over £400

[Deyn Man]

Originally Posted by The GMT Master

Certainly not the case over here. A full service from Omega for a Co-Ax piece costs about £300, a standard service for most Rolexes now is over £400

interesting! seems SCs vary in their costings? thanks for the info!
will try to dig up the details in our local forum... again, many thanks!

[Aspirin]

Dig little bit more to get a Rolex, you will not regret!

[JP Chestnut]

Originally Posted by capote

The Speedmaster pre-dates Swatch Group ownership by a mile. The Speedmaster use a Lemania movement, used also by high end manufacturers like PP and VC. The Tudor
Heritage is a modular chrono. Last but not least a "heritage" or retro model will never be a classic watch. (I like THC BTW).

The modular chrono is really a weakness of that model. I'd take a Lemania speedy over a modular ETA powered THC even at a difference of $2,000.

[JP Chestnut]

Originally Posted by Canadianjam2

ETA builds to Tudor's spec requirements and are chronometer grade, so i wouldnt say they dont modify them or that since Omega uses ETA that they own Swatch they are in house.

Building to a stock spec is not, in my book, any kind of modification.

[dsio]

Originally Posted by JP Chestnut

The modular chrono is really a weakness of that model. I'd take a Lemania speedy over a modular ETA powered THC even at a difference of $2,000.

This is exactly my thoughts on the THC. Although AP use piggybacks on their ROOs, when you send an AP in for servicing the chrono module's replacement cost is the least of your worries pain and suffering wise.

I'd take just about any integrated chronograph over an ETA/DD in a cheap watch.

[JP Chestnut]

Originally Posted by dsio

This is exactly my thoughts on the THC. Although AP use piggybacks on their ROOs, when you send an AP in for servicing the chrono module's replacement cost is the least of your worries pain and suffering wise.

I'd take just about any integrated chronograph over an ETA/DD in a cheap watch.

It will be interesting to see if AP continues with the chrono module. I suspect they won't, but who knows. If Omega, Rolex, and IWC can produce modern integrated chronograph movements and sell them for ~$10,000, there's really no excuse for AP to rely on a modular unit.

[dsio]

Originally Posted by JP Chestnut

It will be interesting to see if AP continues with the chrono module. I suspect they won't, but who knows. If Omega, Rolex, and IWC can produce modern integrated chronograph movements and sell them for ~$10,000, there's really no excuse for AP to rely on an modular unit.

Well it does cause them certain problems, notably the sunken date wheel that is a little harder to read than it should be in ROOs. Given they've developed the 3120 to supplement the old JLC movements in the RO, they seem keen to do their own thing to some extent, maybe they'll come up with an integrated chrono to replace both the ROO's piggyback and the ROC's Piguet in time

[Canadianjam2]

Originally Posted by JP Chestnut

Building to a stock spec is not, in my book, any kind of modification.

To each his own, but i am sure they do some modifications/inspections even though its made to spec only. And having a modular chrono doesnt bother me one bit, not many chronos out there give the vintage look and are finished as nicely as the THC, looks killer on the oyster bracelet which IMHO is one of the best SS bracelets out there (esthetically speaking)

[Gundam]

Originally Posted by Canadianjam2

ETA builds to Tudor's spec requirements and are chronometer grade, so i wouldnt say they dont modify them or that since Omega uses ETA that they own Swatch they are in house.

Are they?

To be 'chronometer grade', they would be COSC'd top grade and one would expect Tudor dials to proclaim 'officially certified chronometer'. Do Tudor watches come with a COSC certificate or number?

[Canadianjam2]

Originally Posted by Gundam

Are they?

To be 'chronometer grade', they would be COSC'd top grade and one would expect Tudor dials to proclaim 'officially certified chronometer'. Do Tudor watches come with a COSC certificate or number?

No they don't because they don't send them out for certification but are ade to that spec....I've had mine for 2 months and is running slow 1-3 seconds/day

[dsio]

Originally Posted by Canadianjam2

No they don't because they don't send them out for certification but are ade to that spec....I've had mine for 2 months and is running slow 1-3 seconds/day

Just out of interested have you timed it with the chronograph running

[iwant1]

Just recd. my 45mm PO8500 and all I can say is WOW!!!!

[Tim Brennan]

It seems many of you fellows are online at this point. Is there a setting that I am unaware of that keeps one "in the green."

I know this isn't a chat line, but real time answers would be greatly appreciated.

I am an Omega / Rolex owner (multiples of both) and I am really interested in the Tudors that you have posted. What a fascinating watch and history, eh?

[Mastergreenhand]

Save for the Rolex. You'll always be wishing you had one every time you see the place holder on your wrist.

[versatile1]

Originally Posted by kmleffler

The new Omega's with the 8500 or 9300 movements are far superior to the Tudor.

Yeah, you can see that in the PRICE DIFFERENCE!

[zion_rasta]

1. If you are not ready yet to buy a rolex, the I would save and get the real thing

2. If you buy a Tudor now you will be even further away from getting a rolex

3. If do not think the rolex is going to happen the an Omega is your ticket

4. To me a Tudor is more like a second watch

5. I would get a used rolex before a Tudor

6. It is your money, so do as you please but the reason you post here is because you want a rolex so everything else will leave wishing...

[padi56]

Originally Posted by JP Chestnut

The modular chrono is really a weakness of that model. I'd take a Lemania speedy over a modular ETA powered THC even at a difference of $2,000.

Originally Posted by dsio

This is exactly my thoughts on the THC. Although AP use piggybacks on their ROOs, when you send an AP in for servicing the chrono module's replacement cost is the least of your worries pain and suffering wise.

I'd take just about any integrated chronograph over an ETA/DD in a cheap watch.

While I would agree it takes a real experienced watchmaker with knowledge of the Dubois-dépraz to service it.My watchmaker friend stated he had only seen one with a problem and he has serviced a few of them over the years.Now In the module all the main wheels are well over engineered and at least five times thicker and stronger than in most other normal chrono movements, plus all pushers, heart cams, and pivots are well over engineered. And the module finish work on all internal parts are too quite a high standard.IMHO even the polishing of heart cam sides for hammer function is excellent and to a very high standard of finish IMHO it is better than Rolex own movement finish.


So what this boils down too if they are properly serviced these modules will last a lifetime of usage.Don't assume all chrono modules are equal now these modules are quite expensive in there own right.So should be serviced with watchmakers who has the credentials and tools to service them, but sadly many today will not service them, but IMHO thats simply because they don't know how too.IMHO you are looking at an well over engineered chrono module for a wristwatch. But if a say local watchmaker takes your module apart and damages a part, he will have trouble getting it from the manufacturer.These Dubois-dépraz module need precise oiling,plus wheel height and jewel adjustments.Plus the end shake of wheel adjustments and of course the driving wheel seating position from the excellent base ETA 2892 calibre gear must mesh to the module properly, and this can be a very tedious task to do if you are not skilled with the module.

Now today this is one of the main reasons why they have a bad name in the watch service industry not because they are a bad chrono module. Its mainly because they need proper care and service with the correct oils and grease etc.IMHO its a fine chrono module with the excellent ETA 2892 and cannot see any reason with proper service to last a life time and beyond, myself would have no problem buying one.And I would not think that Rolex would have put this combination, into any Rolex Tudor watch if they thought it would ever be a problem movement and did not have the skills to service them or have the parts for many many years to come..

[slcbbrown]

Originally Posted by Canadianjam2

I can pick one up here (BB) in Canada on the leather strap for $3800 CAD taxes in, well worth the price.

For $3,800, you can get any of an assortment of Rolex. Why buy Omega or Tusor? A Rolex can easily last 50+ years, so a 15 year old Sub, for example would be a great choice.

[padi56]

Originally Posted by slcbbrown

For $3,800, you can get any of an assortment of Rolex. Why buy Omega or Tusor? A Rolex can easily last 50+ years, so a 15 year old Sub, for example would be a great choice.

So can many Omega and Tudor last 50 years like most mechanical watches if they have correct service.

[Canadianjam2]

Originally Posted by zion_rasta

1. If you are not ready yet to buy a rolex, the I would save and get the real thing

2. If you buy a Tudor now you will be even further away from getting a rolex

3. If do not think the rolex is going to happen the an Omega is your ticket

4. To me a Tudor is more like a second watch

5. I would get a used rolex before a Tudor

6. It is your money, so do as you please but the reason you post here is because you want a rolex so everything else will leave wishing...

[Canadianjam2]

Originally Posted by padi56

So can many Omega and Tudor last 50 years like most mechanical watches if they have correct service.

Well played...

[dsio]

Originally Posted by slcbbrown

For $3,800, you can get any of an assortment of Rolex. Why buy Omega or Tusor? A Rolex can easily last 50+ years, so a 15 year old Sub, for example would be a great choice.

In fairness, my sub was nearly a total write-off due to extreme movement damage after 30 years without servicing. As for why buy an Omega, well I had my Rolex Submariner for about 2 years, and I figured I was due for an upgrade.

[Rashid.bk]

Generally speaking I would by Omega over Tudor any day. I believe it's solidly a better product. Although I am speaking of current models though, like 2005 and up.

[Rashid.bk]

Originally Posted by iwant1

Just recd. my 45mm PO8500 and all I can say is WOW!!!!

Super congrats, you will not regret it.
I have a 2500 PO but want one of the new 8500s badly, but it's in line behind a DSSD(I hate TRF ). Need to see pics now.

[swiss ghost]

Originally Posted by slcbbrown

For $3,800, you can get any of an assortment of Rolex. Why buy Omega or Tusor? A Rolex can easily last 50+ years, so a 15 year old Sub, for example would be a great choice.

and what may that assortment be

please explain

$3800 wont get you much