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dconline · 5 December 2007, 12:24 AM

Hello to everyone, I am new to this forum. Stumbled across it researching the rolex I wish to purchase, its a toss up between Submariner dateless and the date watch. Can anyone tell me what a good price is and which holds its value better? Thanks,

frostie · 5 December 2007, 12:34 AM

Welcome to TRF.
To be honest i prefer the sub date. I am not sure about the value of the watches but the expected price of a sub in europe is around 4400 to 4900 euro + you can get a really good discount if you pay cash.

Solar · 5 December 2007, 12:43 AM

Many others will weigh in here, but the Sub Date is just one of the most commonly purchased Rolexes out there. Its tough, beautiful and comfortable to wear, and as such, it holds its value very well.

Personally, since my job can be arduous and so can my off duty endeavours, I would want the tougher of the Rolex line, and as such would generally choose from the Professional Line (Sub, Sea Dweller, GMT, Explorer II, etc).

And these watches can go from suit and tie to diving suit. Very well rounded!

Consider the Sea Dweller too. One of mine and the only Rolex without a cyclops (date magnifier).

Best,

Chris

SPACE-DWELLER · 5 December 2007, 12:44 AM

Welcome to TRF!

The SS Sub Date would definately hold its value better. It is difficult to get a good discount on the SS Sub Date in the USA, but try visiting some AD and ask what deals they can offer you.

I for my part was offered an SS Sub Date with a 15 % discount from my AD, but for one I live in Europe and secondly I have been a good customer at my AD for a long time.

But as stated, try and see what deals you can get, and if you have good negotiation skills and pay cash it helps.

Good luck!

Robb · 5 December 2007, 01:08 AM

Welcome!

Mort · 5 December 2007, 01:11 AM

Welcome to TRF. I say look at both in person and descide which you like. I will say nothing beats a Rolex with a date. The cyclops date window to me make a Rolex look like a Rolex no mater which model it is on. Just my 2c.

Dan Pierce · 5 December 2007, 01:31 AM

Welcome to TRF!

The Rolex Sub is The classic sports model.
Good luck,
dP

f16570 · 5 December 2007, 04:47 AM

Welcome & enjoy.
Do not buy the discount, buy the watch that talks to you.

f

cully · 5 December 2007, 05:25 AM

Welcome to TRF
Choose the one that "smiles" back at you.

Cheers

Paul

rogerfromco · 5 December 2007, 05:34 AM

I agree with looking at them both in person and also considering the Sea Dweller if you want the date but not the date magnification (cyclops). I ended up purchasing the Sea Dweller for that exact reason. I did not like the way the watch hands are distorted by the cyclops and the magnification actually made it harder for me to read the date - you have to look at the right angle. Others love it, so it's definitely a personal preference choice to be made.

Good luck in your search and post some picture of your new watch when you get it.

Teofilo · 5 December 2007, 05:50 AM

Date or no date you cant really go wrong with a SS Sub.
Try them both on. To some the cyclops is essential, to others like me it messes up the simplicity and beauty ot the watch.

Solar · 5 December 2007, 05:55 AM

A significant aspect in my choice of the Sea Dweller over the Sub date was the lack of the cyclops. That said, I do have a GMT and am seeing the benefits of the cyclops, as well as the downsides.

Pick what appeals, not the one which is cheapest.

Best,

Chris

rogerfromco · 5 December 2007, 06:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solar

Pick what appeals, not the one which is cheapest.

Best,

Chris

I agree with Chris. Cheaper or a little more expensive just determines "when" you buy it. Having the watch you really like best ensures how you feel about the purchase in the long run.

BTW - Welcome to TRF

and let us know what you decide.

dconline · 7 December 2007, 06:35 AM

thanks to everyone that responded, this is great information!

JJ Irani · 7 December 2007, 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dconline

Hello to everyone, I am new to this forum. Stumbled across it researching the rolex I wish to purchase, its a toss up between Submariner dateless and the date watch. Can anyone tell me what a good price is and which holds its value better? Thanks,

Welcome to TRF, pal. The SS Sub-Date will hold its value much better. It's still the best and ultimate Rolex out there.....no ifs or buts about that!!

JJ

marshallr47 · 7 December 2007, 08:27 AM

Go with the SS date. You will love it more.

Wolfgang427 · 7 December 2007, 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marshallr47

Go with the SS date. You will love it more.

Agree 100%.

eric1 · 7 December 2007, 08:41 AM

I like the look of the cyclops I think it gives the watch a distinctive look.

the186element · 7 December 2007, 08:46 AM

think sub

Chris B · 7 December 2007, 08:52 AM

Welcome to TRF, get the Sub date, the archetypal Rolex, you'll never regret it

dconline · 8 December 2007, 06:32 AM

I live in Maryland, I am going to Boston Mass for business next week and Scottsdale AZ the following week, is it true you dont have to pay sales tax if you are out of state? Thanks! Starting to lean towards the sub date.

Lol-x · 8 December 2007, 07:18 AM

Ben Bridge in Scottsdale seem to be pretty good, that's where my GMT came from in July this year. You can't go wrong with a Sub-date.

dconline · 20 December 2007, 08:31 AM

can someone tell me if you dont have to pay the sales tax of you are out of state, thanks,

Tools · 20 December 2007, 08:51 AM

You can't go wrong with either one....But pick the one you will like to wear all the time and not for any other reason..including what we think..

East Bay Rider · 20 December 2007, 09:24 AM

Tax happens.
Unless you buy mail order...
If you are concerned about affording the sales tax then save longer and do it right. Maybe you should look up which state has lower % sales tax and buy there.

satisfied1999 · 20 December 2007, 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marshallr47

Go with the SS date. You will love it more.

x3

gha · 20 December 2007, 10:33 AM

Welcome..........I have a SS SubDate,& a TT Datejust with Jubilee bracelet.
Both quite different, and I like them both the same amount, for different reasons.
So, who knows...gha

Texsubmariner · 20 December 2007, 10:45 AM

You can save on tax by buying the watch out of state and have it shipped to your home address. However, not all AD's will do this. Just ask them up front.

5 December 2007, 12:24 AM	#1
dconline "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: gaithersburg, md Posts: 4	new to forum Hello to everyone, I am new to this forum. Stumbled across it researching the rolex I wish to purchase, its a toss up between Submariner dateless and the date watch. Can anyone tell me what a good price is and which holds its value better? Thanks,

5 December 2007, 12:44 AM	#4
SPACE-DWELLER "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Bo Location: Denmark Watch: Rolex, of course! Posts: 22,436	Welcome to TRF! The SS Sub Date would definately hold its value better. It is difficult to get a good discount on the SS Sub Date in the USA, but try visiting some AD and ask what deals they can offer you. I for my part was offered an SS Sub Date with a 15 % discount from my AD, but for one I live in Europe and secondly I have been a good customer at my AD for a long time. But as stated, try and see what deals you can get, and if you have good negotiation skills and pay cash it helps. Good luck! __________________ With kind regards, Bo LocTite 221: The Taming Of The Screw...

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marshallr47 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Real Name: Ron Location: Alabama Watch: Daytona,TT Sub,GMT Posts: 4,673	Go with the SS date. You will love it more. __________________ Ron

5 December 2007, 12:34 AM	#2
frostie 1,000,000th PostMember Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Earth Posts: 14,048	Welcome to TRF. To be honest i prefer the sub date. I am not sure about the value of the watches but the expected price of a sub in europe is around 4400 to 4900 euro + you can get a really good discount if you pay cash.

5 December 2007, 12:43 AM	#3
Solar "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: North America Watch: their hands, baby. Posts: 1,116	Many others will weigh in here, but the Sub Date is just one of the most commonly purchased Rolexes out there. Its tough, beautiful and comfortable to wear, and as such, it holds its value very well. Personally, since my job can be arduous and so can my off duty endeavours, I would want the tougher of the Rolex line, and as such would generally choose from the Professional Line (Sub, Sea Dweller, GMT, Explorer II, etc). And these watches can go from suit and tie to diving suit. Very well rounded! Consider the Sea Dweller too. One of mine and the only Rolex without a cyclops (date magnifier). Best, Chris

5 December 2007, 01:11 AM	#6
Mort "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Atlanta GA Posts: 1,001	Welcome to TRF. I say look at both in person and descide which you like. I will say nothing beats a Rolex with a date. The cyclops date window to me make a Rolex look like a Rolex no mater which model it is on. Just my 2c.

5 December 2007, 04:47 AM	#8
f16570 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Real Name: F Location: Scotland Watch: Exp II White Face Posts: 4,272	Welcome & enjoy. Do not buy the discount, buy the watch that talks to you. f

5 December 2007, 05:25 AM	#9
cully "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Paul Location: Lincolnshire UK Watch: SS Daytona Posts: 775	Welcome to TRF Choose the one that "smiles" back at you. Cheers Paul

5 December 2007, 05:34 AM	#10
rogerfromco Banned Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: ... Posts: 180	I agree with looking at them both in person and also considering the Sea Dweller if you want the date but not the date magnification (cyclops). I ended up purchasing the Sea Dweller for that exact reason. I did not like the way the watch hands are distorted by the cyclops and the magnification actually made it harder for me to read the date - you have to look at the right angle. Others love it, so it's definitely a personal preference choice to be made. Good luck in your search and post some picture of your new watch when you get it.

5 December 2007, 05:50 AM	#11
Teofilo Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Peter Location: East Anglia Watch: 14060M,16710 PEPSI Posts: 923	Date or no date you cant really go wrong with a SS Sub. Try them both on. To some the cyclops is essential, to others like me it messes up the simplicity and beauty ot the watch.

5 December 2007, 05:55 AM	#12
Solar "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: North America Watch: their hands, baby. Posts: 1,116	A significant aspect in my choice of the Sea Dweller over the Sub date was the lack of the cyclops. That said, I do have a GMT and am seeing the benefits of the cyclops, as well as the downsides. Pick what appeals, not the one which is cheapest. Best, Chris

7 December 2007, 06:35 AM	#14
dconline "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: gaithersburg, md Posts: 4	thanks to everyone that responded, this is great information!

7 December 2007, 08:41 AM	#18
eric1 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Little Rock Watch: sub,gmt2, daytona Posts: 53	I like the look of the cyclops I think it gives the watch a distinctive look.

7 December 2007, 08:46 AM	#19
the186element Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: usa Watch: GMTII PEPSI Posts: 385	think sub

7 December 2007, 08:52 AM	#20
Chris B "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Peterborough Posts: 9,631	Welcome to TRF, get the Sub date, the archetypal Rolex, you'll never regret it

8 December 2007, 06:32 AM	#21
dconline "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: gaithersburg, md Posts: 4	I live in Maryland, I am going to Boston Mass for business next week and Scottsdale AZ the following week, is it true you dont have to pay sales tax if you are out of state? Thanks! Starting to lean towards the sub date.

8 December 2007, 07:18 AM	#22
Lol-x Facilitator Join Date: Nov 2005 Real Name: Steve Location: Omnipresent Posts: 33,553	Ben Bridge in Scottsdale seem to be pretty good, that's where my GMT came from in July this year. You can't go wrong with a Sub-date.

20 December 2007, 08:31 AM	#23
dconline "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: gaithersburg, md Posts: 4	can someone tell me if you dont have to pay the sales tax of you are out of state, thanks,

20 December 2007, 08:51 AM	#24
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,490	You can't go wrong with either one....But pick the one you will like to wear all the time and not for any other reason..including what we think..

20 December 2007, 09:24 AM	#25
East Bay Rider "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Real Name: Bill Location: East Bay RI Watch: GMT-II 16710LN Posts: 12,055	Tax happens. Unless you buy mail order... If you are concerned about affording the sales tax then save longer and do it right. Maybe you should look up which state has lower % sales tax and buy there. __________________ I bought a cheap watch from the crazy man Floating down canal It doesn't use numbers or moving hands It always just says "now" Now you may be thinking that I was had But this watch is never wrong And if I have trouble the warranty said Breathe In, Breathe Out, Move On J. Buffett Instagram: eastbayrider46

20 December 2007, 10:33 AM	#27
gha "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Real Name: gha Location: Canada Watch: Rolex DateJust Posts: 664	Welcome..........I have a SS SubDate,& a TT Datejust with Jubilee bracelet. Both quite different, and I like them both the same amount, for different reasons. So, who knows...gha

20 December 2007, 10:45 AM	#28
Texsubmariner "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Khanh Location: Texas Watch: SSGMTc Posts: 1,227	You can save on tax by buying the watch out of state and have it shipped to your home address. However, not all AD's will do this. Just ask them up front.

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