Is Panerai quality as good as Rolex?

[swils8610]

I'm referring to the in house 9000 movement. Thanks.


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[Psmith]

The P.9xxx family has only been around for a few years, whereas some Rolex movements have been around since the 1980s, so probably not a fair comparison (in regard to long-term reliability). I am sure that both movements are manufactured to a similarly high standard.

[rolex75216]

No.

Rolex has the top of the line movements. I do hope to own a PAM one day as they are beautiful to look at.

[kilyung]

Originally Posted by rolex75216

No.

Rolex has the top of the line movements. I do hope to own a PAM one day as they are beautiful to look at.

It's really too early to answer. As Clive mentioned, OP movements are very new. However the OP.2002 based in-house movement is showing great promise.

[Travelller]

Originally Posted by kilyung

However the OP.2002 based in-house movement is showing great promise.

how long have you had your 233, Mike?

[gmtm2]

NO, Panerai movements haven't been tested enough...

[mfer]

Quality is subjective here.

People often regard JLC as having high quality. To me these new movements have the look of JLC with their escapements and high PR movements. Seeing how they are both from the same company now, I wouldn't be surprised at all if there was some cannibalism going on. They also add complications like 12 hour GMT, second rest, linear power reserves, etc. These complications make the watch a little more fragile when compared to a robust movement like a Rolex.

To me, Rolex is clearly tougher, but as others have mentioned, longevity/quality TBD, but I expect they will fair well (but cost more to maintain).

[ReOng]

Had a P9000 and it has a little problem on the movement, a screw feel out and stuck on the balance wheel and stopped it right away, and another problem was my 317k, the power reserve kinda stuck at the first bar and the chrono just stopped at around 53second

[zeroshiki]

Originally Posted by ReOng

Had a P9000 and it has a little problem on the movement, a screw feel out and stuck on the balance wheel and stopped it right away, and another problem was my 317k, the power reserve kinda stuck at the first bar and the chrono just stopped at around 53second

whoa! i hope the screw didn't damage the balance wheel hairspring?

i thought stuck power reserve indicator is only present on the early 233?

anyhow, i can't say if panerai in house p.9000 is or isn't a robust movement.

assuming both rolex and p9000 movement are assembled properly, rolex has proven their calibres are reliable workhorses. while panerai still have years ahead to prove themselves.

what i can be certain of is this:

comparing production numbers between rolex and panerai. it's clear that rolex manufacture way more pieces every year. compared to that, panerai in house calibres are installed on the various types of watches they offer, but not including the ETA ebauches(that means even lower production number of in house calibres per year). yet, reported problem with the rolex movements is way less than the panerai's various p.xxxx calibres. this indicate the level of QC and manufaturing expertise between those two companies. rolex just have much lower % of problematic movement ratio compared to production number. you can decide for yourself which one you want to place your money on.

[advocatia]

Originally Posted by zeroshiki

whoa! i hope the screw didn't damage the balance wheel hairspring?

i thought stuck power reserve indicator is only present on the early 233?

anyhow, i can't say if panerai in house p.9000 is or isn't a robust movement.

assuming both rolex and p9000 movement are assembled properly, rolex has proven their calibres are reliable workhorses. while panerai still have years ahead to prove themselves.

what i can be certain of is this:

comparing production numbers between rolex and panerai. it's clear that rolex manufacture way more pieces every year. compared to that, panerai in house calibres are installed on the various types of watches they offer, but not including the ETA ebauches(that means even lower production number of in house calibres per year). yet, reported problem with the rolex movements is way less than the panerai's various p.xxxx calibres. this indicate the level of QC and manufaturing expertise between those two companies. rolex just have much lower % of problematic movement ratio compared to production number. you can decide for yourself which one you want to place your money on.

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Thank you. Did you also post this in the Rolex forum? I appreciate your advice as I stare at my beautiful 422 which is keeping perfect time and looks awesome on my new Italian leather strap.

[Cru Jones]

Originally Posted by zeroshiki

yet, reported problem with the rolex movements is way less than the panerai's various p.xxxx calibres. this indicate the level of QC and manufaturing expertise between those two companies. rolex just have much lower % of problematic movement ratio compared to production number. you can decide for yourself which one you want to place your money on.

would love to see back up/source material for all this.

[RUpanerai]

Rolex movements.... LESS parts, LESS complicated, LESS problems.

For movements that ONLY tell date, time, Chronograph, and possibly GMT its easier to see how they have a more reliable movement than Panerai... but if you talk about Quality of movements and their functionality, Panerai is like Haute Horology compared to Rolex who has very little in terms of complicated movements or any movements outside the Sky Dweller that are either unique or complicated.

To your answer, Rolex makes a higher quality time test movement than Panerai, but its easier to infer this based on their history and the movements functionality.

[DreambreaX]

in term of stainless steel, no. pam use 312 stainless steel. 4x cheaper than rolex

[rulessapt]

Originally Posted by RUpanerai

Rolex movements.... LESS parts, LESS complicated, LESS problems.

For movements that ONLY tell date, time, Chronograph, and possibly GMT its easier to see how they have a more reliable movement than Panerai... but if you talk about Quality of movements and their functionality, Panerai is like Haute Horology compared to Rolex who has very little in terms of complicated movements or any movements outside the Sky Dweller that are either unique or complicated.

To your answer, Rolex makes a higher quality time test movement than Panerai, but its easier to infer this based on their history and the movements functionality.

I'll go along with what Brian has to say and add one thing.

Rolex last year alone made more movements than Panerai has made watches in total over its entire history.

Panerai SHOULD, I hope, be sharing the expertise of JLC (who are haute horologie), another company under the Richemont Group umbrella.

cheers,
richard