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CanuckRolex · 6 February 2008, 07:04 PM

http://cgi.ebay.com/ROLEX-BLUE-SUBMA...QQcmdZViewItem

What do you think?

BiG JeEzY · 6 February 2008, 08:05 PM

That one is kind of tough to call from the pictures because the pictures do not show as much detail. However, in the shot of the dial, the dial font looks incorrect to me. The word Rolex, as well as the crown logo, appear to be too thick and bold. Its likely that its a replica dial or its an aftermarket dial thats on that watch. Many pre-owned watches from ebay have aftermarket parts in them.

Also, what scares me the most is how there are no papers for that watch. The seller says that the watch was just serviced. Well how come he doesn't have the paperwork from that recent service? Very suspicious to me.

I think Ill run away and never look back.

CanuckRolex · 7 February 2008, 04:41 AM

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWA:IT&ih=003

What about this one?

The price is right for sure.

mrchubbyrabbit · 7 February 2008, 05:04 AM

On the first one the dial looks too purple and is that an extra R just floating out in space? To the right of Superlative Chronometer

portable75 · 7 February 2008, 08:10 AM

RE: the first one.......good feedback. Look back in his feedback, he sold the same watch not to long ago.....email the buyer see what they have to say and if they got it looked at yet.

Chozn1 · 7 February 2008, 12:56 PM

Comparing the first one to the 2005 Blusey on my wrist right now, there are several inconsistencies as noted above. Could be due to age though. Another thing is that the part of the bezel that's suppose to glow in the dark actually appears to be gold in that photo, so I don't see how that could be possible

TempoKing · 7 February 2008, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by CanuckRolex

http://cgi.ebay.com/ROLEX-BLUE-SUBMA...QQcmdZViewItem

What do you think?

Ref: 1680/3 it looks great.

CanuckRolex · 7 February 2008, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by TempoKing

Ref: 1680/3 it looks great.

Huh?

BiG JeEzY · 7 February 2008, 07:32 PM

On the second link you posted, it is hard to see all the details from the pictures but I think that model looks genuine to me. I do not see anything wrong with the dial, bracelet, etc. from the pictures.

The only thing that caught my eye was that he bought the watch new in 1997. At that time, Rolex used tritium on their watches. So at the bottom of the dial, it should say "SwissT<25" and not "Swiss." However, since he says he serviced the watch in 2006, the dial might have been replaced with a luminova one. Therefore, it says "Swiss" at the bottom instead.

I'm assuming he is the original owner of the watch, so he should still have all paperwork to it as well.

jac67 · 7 February 2008, 08:28 PM

First one is total fake. Look at the crown and printing, 6,9 and 12 o'clock markers, hands etc, etc, etc............oh dear.

Second one hard to give an honest answer due to quality of pics.

John.

bullatagate · 7 February 2008, 11:26 PM

Sold exactly the same watch with +ve feedback on 13th Jan '08 ? Would raise a red flag with me.

atldavek · 8 February 2008, 08:31 AM

First one is REALLY bad, not ever freakin' close.
Second, as noted, better, but hard to tell with image quality.

CanuckRolex · 8 February 2008, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by bullatagate

Sold exactly the same watch with +ve feedback on 13th Jan '08 ? Would raise a red flag with me.

Yea, and they just sent me the same past photos again.

I threatened to report them to ebay if they don't explain their actions.

CanuckRolex · 8 February 2008, 01:55 PM

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWA:IT&ih=006

This one is definitely borderline.

Has all papers, but look at the crown, it is missing the three dots under the Rolex symbol.

Can I get an expert opinion, or are the three dots not a key sign?

frostie · 8 February 2008, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by CanuckRolex

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWA:IT&ih=006

This one is definitely borderline.

Has all papers, but look at the crown, it is missing the three dots under the Rolex symbol.

Can I get an expert opinion, or are the three dots not a key sign?

This doesn't look ok to me. the case looks a bit thin and the bracelet is over streched. What makes me think that this might be a possible fake is that the three dots are missing. All submariners have three dots on the crown which indicates that they are equipped with a triplock crown.

cmr · 8 February 2008, 07:17 PM

actually the three dots are there barely. that crown is severely worn.

CanuckRolex · 9 February 2008, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CanuckRolex

http://cgi.ebay.com/ROLEX-BLUE-SUBMA...QQcmdZViewItem

What do you think?

Ok, quick update with this watch.

The watch is legit, and it was sold to the previous guy that returned it seeing it wasn't keeping time properly at all and needed to be serviced. The watch was returned and the watch was serviced and put back on ebay.

He send full pictures of it. Here they are:

The only thing I am thinking is weird is if the ORIG ROLEX DESIGN should have the I in ORIG or not.

2careless · 9 February 2008, 03:28 PM

Sorry for my ignorance, I thought a sub date shouldn't have holes on the case?

CanuckRolex · 9 February 2008, 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2careless

Sorry for my ignorance, I thought a sub date shouldn't have holes on the case?

The no hole case didn't come in until I think 2003? Someone pipe in if I am wrong.

This is a 1986-87 vintage.

Something is wrong with the Rolex font though, and the actual dial is crooked.

Going to pass for sure, the dial has been replaced in the past. The unsharp font and crooked dial is just too much.

I'll spend an extra $1000 for a clean version with papers.

Sorry to waste your time guys, I want a Bluesey, but it is a minefield on ebay and I am not going to get raped buy a AD.

JJ Irani · 9 February 2008, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by CanuckRolex

.....and I am not going to get raped buy a AD.

Oh yeah? Just wait till you meet my AD!!

She can do whatever the hell she likes with me!!

BiG JeEzY · 9 February 2008, 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

Oh yeah? Just wait till you meet my AD!!

She can do whatever the hell she likes with me!!

mailman · 9 February 2008, 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CanuckRolex

The no hole case didn't come in until I think 2003? Someone pipe in if I am wrong.

This is a 1986-87 vintage.

Something is wrong with the Rolex font though, and the actual dial is crooked.

Going to pass for sure, the dial has been replaced in the past. The unsharp font and crooked dial is just too much.

I'll spend an extra $1000 for a clean version with papers.

Sorry to waste your time guys, I want a Bluesey, but it is a minefield on ebay and I am not going to get raped buy a AD.

I think if the dial were replaced it would just have the word SWISS at the bottom. I think it's the original dial. It just wasn't ligned up properly when put back after the service.

Which raises another red flag. The dials have feet on them to keep them in place and prevent this from happening. So maybe one of both of the feet have broken off?

The bezel doesn't look like it's a few clicks from being at the 12:00 position and the pic looks like it wasn't taken straight on. Maybe it's all just a result of the bezel and the camera angle?

CanuckRolex · 10 February 2008, 03:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mailman

I think if the dial were replaced it would just have the word SWISS at the bottom. I think it's the original dial. It just wasn't ligned up properly when put back after the service.

Which raises another red flag. The dials have feet on them to keep them in place and prevent this from happening. So maybe one of both of the feet have broken off?

The bezel doesn't look like it's a few clicks from being at the 12:00 position and the pic looks like it wasn't taken straight on. Maybe it's all just a result of the bezel and the camera angle?

That picture is before it was serviced so it might be the reason why the previous buyer contacted and sent it back and got a refund. Then this guy had it serviced.

It just poses too much of a risk.

I am now looking at a 2002 TT Subby for around $4995 with papers.

stevemulholland3 · 10 February 2008, 04:27 AM

look at the picture closer-the dial is not crooked,the bezel is,and there is a slight lean in the photo.

CanuckRolex · 10 February 2008, 04:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevemulholland3

look at the picture closer-the dial is not crooked,the bezel is,and there is a slight lean in the photo.

sorry, but that dial is crooked. Referenced from the seller as well. Found out it is the reason it was returned.

mailman · 10 February 2008, 06:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CanuckRolex

That picture is before it was serviced so it might be the reason why the previous buyer contacted and sent it back and got a refund. Then this guy had it serviced.

It just poses too much of a risk.

I am now looking at a 2002 TT Subby for around $4995 with papers.

Don't blame you for passing on it. Too many red flags.

CanuckRolex · 10 February 2008, 06:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mailman

Don't blame you for passing on it. Too many red flags.

Yea, I am willing to pay $1000 more for something with papers and authentication.

mailman · 10 February 2008, 06:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CanuckRolex

Yea, I am willing to pay $1000 more for something with papers and authentication.

It's definetly worth it. Just for piece of mind

6 February 2008, 07:04 PM	#1
CanuckRolex Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 282	Fake Bluesy? http://cgi.ebay.com/ROLEX-BLUE-SUBMA...QQcmdZViewItem What do you think?

6 February 2008, 08:05 PM	#2
BiG JeEzY "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: Jerome Location: N. California Watch: GMT I/EXP II/DJ Posts: 3,351	That one is kind of tough to call from the pictures because the pictures do not show as much detail. However, in the shot of the dial, the dial font looks incorrect to me. The word Rolex, as well as the crown logo, appear to be too thick and bold. Its likely that its a replica dial or its an aftermarket dial thats on that watch. Many pre-owned watches from ebay have aftermarket parts in them. Also, what scares me the most is how there are no papers for that watch. The seller says that the watch was just serviced. Well how come he doesn't have the paperwork from that recent service? Very suspicious to me. I think Ill run away and never look back. __________________ -Rolex Explorer II Black dial 16570 (circa 2001) -Rolex GMT Master I Pepsi 1675 (circa 1978) -Rolex Datejust TT Champagne 16233 (circa 1991) -Vintage Longines Automatic La Grande Classique -Vintage Seiko 6138 Automatic Chronograph with "Kakume" Dial

7 February 2008, 08:10 AM	#5
portable75 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Real Name: Mike Location: MA Watch: Rolex GMT II Posts: 416	RE: the first one.......good feedback. Look back in his feedback, he sold the same watch not to long ago.....email the buyer see what they have to say and if they got it looked at yet. __________________ GMT Master II 16710 Yatch-Master 16622

7 February 2008, 07:32 PM	#9
BiG JeEzY "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: Jerome Location: N. California Watch: GMT I/EXP II/DJ Posts: 3,351	On the second link you posted, it is hard to see all the details from the pictures but I think that model looks genuine to me. I do not see anything wrong with the dial, bracelet, etc. from the pictures. The only thing that caught my eye was that he bought the watch new in 1997. At that time, Rolex used tritium on their watches. So at the bottom of the dial, it should say "SwissT<25" and not "Swiss." However, since he says he serviced the watch in 2006, the dial might have been replaced with a luminova one. Therefore, it says "Swiss" at the bottom instead. I'm assuming he is the original owner of the watch, so he should still have all paperwork to it as well. __________________ -Rolex Explorer II Black dial 16570 (circa 2001) -Rolex GMT Master I Pepsi 1675 (circa 1978) -Rolex Datejust TT Champagne 16233 (circa 1991) -Vintage Longines Automatic La Grande Classique -Vintage Seiko 6138 Automatic Chronograph with "Kakume" Dial

7 February 2008, 11:26 PM	#11
bullatagate "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Melbourne Watch: Tag Posts: 76	Sold exactly the same watch with +ve feedback on 13th Jan '08 ? Would raise a red flag with me. __________________ FTW 81

7 February 2008, 04:41 AM	#3
CanuckRolex Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 282	http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWA:IT&ih=003 What about this one? The price is right for sure.

7 February 2008, 05:04 AM	#4
mrchubbyrabbit Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Texas Watch: 14060M Submariner Posts: 27	On the first one the dial looks too purple and is that an extra R just floating out in space? To the right of Superlative Chronometer

7 February 2008, 12:56 PM	#6
Chozn1 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: South GA Watch: Sub and President Posts: 1,501	Comparing the first one to the 2005 Blusey on my wrist right now, there are several inconsistencies as noted above. Could be due to age though. Another thing is that the part of the bezel that's suppose to glow in the dark actually appears to be gold in that photo, so I don't see how that could be possible

7 February 2008, 08:28 PM	#10
jac67 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: John Location: Australia Watch: Me Posts: 1,950	First one is total fake. Look at the crown and printing, 6,9 and 12 o'clock markers, hands etc, etc, etc............oh dear. Second one hard to give an honest answer due to quality of pics. John.

8 February 2008, 08:31 AM	#12
atldavek Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Dave Location: Michigan Watch: SS SUB Posts: 307	First one is REALLY bad, not ever freakin' close. Second, as noted, better, but hard to tell with image quality.

8 February 2008, 01:55 PM	#14
CanuckRolex Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 282	http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWA:IT&ih=006 This one is definitely borderline. Has all papers, but look at the crown, it is missing the three dots under the Rolex symbol. Can I get an expert opinion, or are the three dots not a key sign?

8 February 2008, 07:17 PM	#16
cmr "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Real Name: marcus Location: us, oklahoma Posts: 1,646	actually the three dots are there barely. that crown is severely worn. __________________ cmr OA-Black dial SS Daytona, V-White dial SS Daytona, Z-GMT2C Wife, Z-Platinum Yacht Master, Black ceramic White dial SS Daytona,

9 February 2008, 03:28 PM	#18
2careless "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Melbourne, AU Watch: Pepsi Posts: 4,370	Sorry for my ignorance, I thought a sub date shouldn't have holes on the case?

10 February 2008, 04:27 AM	#24
stevemulholland3 Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: steven Location: tampa bay Watch: 1680 18k sub Posts: 6,672	look at the picture closer-the dial is not crooked,the bezel is,and there is a slight lean in the photo.

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