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Daytona4130 · 22 May 2014, 10:45 PM

What was the last regular bezel submariner they made? Was it an '08? What's the ref?

Old Expat Beast · 22 May 2014, 10:46 PM

16610 with date, 14060m without.

mjclark32 · 22 May 2014, 10:47 PM

I believe it's a V, 09/10. I've got an M which most believe was produced around 08

Daytona4130 · 22 May 2014, 10:49 PM

Ok. Thanks. I'm just not a huge fan of the SubC

gr33n · 22 May 2014, 10:58 PM

It is a submariner: either 16610, 16610lv or 14060m (last ones were V, G and a few random serial numbers).
I bought my V serial 16610lv in extremis in october 2010, the production stopped in march 2010.

Good choice, these 3 models are slim and very well balanced. They are cheaper than the new ceramic ones, lighter and have the same parts except from the ceramic bezel, the bracelet and the more square case on the new ones. Movement is the same.
16610lv has the same "maxi dial" than the new ceramic subs.

SeaDweller50 · 22 May 2014, 11:02 PM

The 16610's on a random ser have the AR cyclops.

SeaDweller50 · 22 May 2014, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by gr33n

It is a submariner: either 16610, 16610lv or 14060m (last ones were V, G and a few random serial numbers).
I bought my V serial 16610lv in extremis in october 2010, the production stopped in march 2010.

Good choice, these 3 models are slim and very well balanced. They are cheaper than the new ceramic ones, lighter and have the same parts except from the ceramic bezel, the bracelet and the more square case on the new ones. Movement is the same.
16610lv has the same "maxi dial" than the new ceramic subs.

Not forgetting the Parachrom hairspring.

gr33n · 22 May 2014, 11:13 PM

Practically, you will not see any difference beetween parachrom and "old" hairspring.

SeaDweller50 · 22 May 2014, 11:28 PM

Apart from improved accuracy. Well that's my experience anyway, oh and full in-house movement of course.

SPACE-DWELLER · 22 May 2014, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by RolexplorerII

Apart from improved accuracy. Well that's my experience anyway, oh and full in-house movement of course.

Full in-house, apart from also the KIF shock protection system.

gr33n · 23 May 2014, 12:28 AM

I think that everything has been reviewed for our friend :)

SeaDweller50 · 23 May 2014, 12:31 AM

You're quite correct Bo. The 3187 ticks all the boxes in that case. My SubC instruction booklet is telling porky's when it states that I have a complete in-house movement. Only a handful of owners know the real truth.

SPACE-DWELLER · 23 May 2014, 01:48 AM

That being said, doubt that Paraflex is any better than KIF that's been tested by time (and above all: shocks) for many, many years...

But Rolex "has to" (well, not really, but you know what I'm trying to say?) have their own stuff in their watches and not something from the Swatch Group.........

padi56 · 23 May 2014, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by SPACE-DWELLER

Full in-house, apart from also the KIF shock protection system.

And the mainspring they are still out sourced .

padi56 · 23 May 2014, 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by RolexplorerII

Apart from improved accuracy. Well that's my experience anyway, oh and full in-house movement of course.

No matter the name of the hairspring in the case movements is only as good to what its been regulated too.Even with or without a parachrom if movement is not correctly regulated both will have poor acccuracy.

SPACE-DWELLER · 23 May 2014, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by gr33n

Practically, you will not see any difference beetween parachrom and "old" hairspring.

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Originally Posted by SPACE-DWELLER

Full in-house, apart from also the KIF shock protection system.

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Originally Posted by padi56

And the mainspring they are still out sourced .

Yes... that's why I wrote "also".

22 May 2014, 10:45 PM	#1
Daytona4130 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Real Name: Jack Location: 'Murica Watch: HBO:) Posts: 1,363	last aluminum bezel Submariner What was the last regular bezel submariner they made? Was it an '08? What's the ref?

22 May 2014, 10:47 PM	#3
mjclark32 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: MJC Location: PHL USA Watch: IWC, Rolex, AP Posts: 29,232	I believe it's a V, 09/10. I've got an M which most believe was produced around 08 __________________

22 May 2014, 10:58 PM	#5
gr33n "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Real Name: Xavier Location: Switzerland Watch: 116600 Posts: 446	It is a submariner: either 16610, 16610lv or 14060m (last ones were V, G and a few random serial numbers). I bought my V serial 16610lv in extremis in october 2010, the production stopped in march 2010. Good choice, these 3 models are slim and very well balanced. They are cheaper than the new ceramic ones, lighter and have the same parts except from the ceramic bezel, the bracelet and the more square case on the new ones. Movement is the same. 16610lv has the same "maxi dial" than the new ceramic subs. __________________ Liberty

22 May 2014, 11:13 PM	#8
gr33n "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Real Name: Xavier Location: Switzerland Watch: 116600 Posts: 446	Practically, you will not see any difference beetween parachrom and "old" hairspring. __________________ Liberty

23 May 2014, 12:28 AM	#11
gr33n "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Real Name: Xavier Location: Switzerland Watch: 116600 Posts: 446	I think that everything has been reviewed for our friend :) __________________ Liberty

22 May 2014, 10:46 PM	#2
Old Expat Beast TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Adam Location: Far East Watch: Golden Tuna Posts: 28,794	16610 with date, 14060m without.

22 May 2014, 10:49 PM	#4
Daytona4130 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Real Name: Jack Location: 'Murica Watch: HBO:) Posts: 1,363	Ok. Thanks. I'm just not a huge fan of the SubC

22 May 2014, 11:02 PM	#6
SeaDweller50 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Real Name: Sandy Location: England. Watch: 14060M 2 liner Posts: 3,204	The 16610's on a random ser have the AR cyclops.

22 May 2014, 11:28 PM	#9
SeaDweller50 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Real Name: Sandy Location: England. Watch: 14060M 2 liner Posts: 3,204	Apart from improved accuracy. Well that's my experience anyway, oh and full in-house movement of course.

23 May 2014, 12:31 AM	#12
SeaDweller50 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Real Name: Sandy Location: England. Watch: 14060M 2 liner Posts: 3,204	You're quite correct Bo. The 3187 ticks all the boxes in that case. My SubC instruction booklet is telling porky's when it states that I have a complete in-house movement. Only a handful of owners know the real truth.

23 May 2014, 01:48 AM	#13
SPACE-DWELLER "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Bo Location: Denmark Watch: Rolex, of course! Posts: 22,436	That being said, doubt that Paraflex is any better than KIF that's been tested by time (and above all: shocks) for many, many years... But Rolex "has to" (well, not really, but you know what I'm trying to say?) have their own stuff in their watches and not something from the Swatch Group......... __________________ With kind regards, Bo LocTite 221: The Taming Of The Screw...

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