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curryholic · 28 July 2014, 06:19 AM

Evening all,

Long time lurker, first time poster. I've been given my uncles old watch which, I believe, is an old submariner from 60's/70's. I've also got the original Rolex paperwork and a few servicing receipts from a dealer in London. But when I've gone to have a look at the serial/model numbers to accurately date it there is nothing between the lugs??? So it's got me a bit puzzled a) whether it's fake or not and b) how old it is. I've no problems whether it is or not as he did inhabit some shades parts of the world and he was a deep sea diver working in the oil industry.

It needs a service (seems to run fast) as it hasn't been done in ages plus it needs a new crystal and a bit of fettling, it's just whether I'll get it back if it's a fake.

Here's a few pics for info...

Couple more pics added

Thanks in advance,
Dave

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soundserious · 28 July 2014, 06:28 AM

Looks like worn off over the years by the bracelet, i can faintly see some of the SN.

can u show the back of the watch?

cajuntiger · 28 July 2014, 06:40 AM

If you look in a loop at different angles it should be readable, just very faint

curryholic · 28 July 2014, 07:35 AM

Some reason tapatalk is playing up with my reply so edited my original post???

Thanks,
D

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ww12345 · 28 July 2014, 07:39 AM

Looks like a serif dial 5513 from 72ish? Just my guess though...

cajuntiger · 28 July 2014, 07:49 AM

Its a nice watch...get it serviced and water sealed and it will service you well. Looks like the hands were changed and its well worn, but otherwise looks great. Insert and bracelet appear original and dial looks very nice. Can you post close ups of the dial?

More info here:
http://www.5513mattedial.com

curryholic · 28 July 2014, 07:58 AM

Haha thanks for that cajuntiger, I've just been having a look at that.

Plan is to get it serviced (new crystal and strap) and use it, it's a watch I can be proud of in more was than 1!!!

Thanks,
D

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Tools · 28 July 2014, 08:09 AM

Looks like the case has been bead blasted so much of it's markings are obliterated..

Take the caseback off and much of the information you seek will be inside..

springer · 28 July 2014, 09:11 AM

Under magnification, you can read the last three digits in the serial number - between the lugs on the 6 o'clock side of the watch. I can read the digits 676. Also, it sure looks like someone placed a protective piece of tape over the serial number.

Below is a screen shot.

Beaumont Miller II · 28 July 2014, 09:23 AM

As others before have said, the watch appears to be authentic. The dial is a serif dial, which if original to the case would put it in the early/mid 70's. I would not be concerned about authenticity because you can't see the serial number. The case has honest wear as evidenced by the the wear to the inside of the lug tips and the case sides. Enjoy and wear it in good health.

RC2 · 28 July 2014, 11:16 AM

Lucky u. Nice watch. Looks very much honest and real.

Old Expat Beast · 28 July 2014, 01:29 PM

Just curious...will RSC be able to look up the case serial number by matching it to the movement number?

curryholic · 28 July 2014, 04:23 PM

Thanks for the posts guys, I did wonder whether I could see some numbers but wasn't sure. I'll see if I can get the back off (without forcing it) and see what info I can glean.

Frogman4me · 28 July 2014, 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beaumont Miller II

As others before have said, the watch appears to be authentic. The dial is a serif dial, which if original to the case would put it in the early/mid 70's. I would not be concerned about authenticity because you can't see the serial number. The case has honest wear as evidenced by the the wear to the inside of the lug tips and the case sides. Enjoy and wear it in good health.

I agree John

Beelzy · 28 July 2014, 11:53 PM

Wow!....a genuine Serif dial.
I say this not so much for you, but for all those sellers who think ANY sort of tail on a plot marker makes it a Serif dial.

Im Lauf der Zeit · 28 July 2014, 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by curryholic

I'll see if I can get the back off (without forcing it) and see what info I can glean.

If you don't have the equipment perhaps leave opening it to the pros. Nice watch.

MonBK · 28 July 2014, 11:59 PM

Since you have the original Rolex paperwork and a few service receipts surely the model and serial # are there?

28 July 2014, 06:19 AM	#1
curryholic "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Bristol, UK Posts: 5	Vintage submariner query... Evening all, Long time lurker, first time poster. I've been given my uncles old watch which, I believe, is an old submariner from 60's/70's. I've also got the original Rolex paperwork and a few servicing receipts from a dealer in London. But when I've gone to have a look at the serial/model numbers to accurately date it there is nothing between the lugs??? So it's got me a bit puzzled a) whether it's fake or not and b) how old it is. I've no problems whether it is or not as he did inhabit some shades parts of the world and he was a deep sea diver working in the oil industry. It needs a service (seems to run fast) as it hasn't been done in ages plus it needs a new crystal and a bit of fettling, it's just whether I'll get it back if it's a fake. Here's a few pics for info... Couple more pics added Thanks in advance, Dave Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

28 July 2014, 06:40 AM	#3
cajuntiger 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Real Name: Who Dat Location: USA Watch: 5512 Posts: 1,149	Vintage submariner query... If you look in a loop at different angles it should be readable, just very faint __________________ @heuerautavia

28 July 2014, 08:09 AM	#8
Tools TRF Moderator & 2025 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,632	Looks like the case has been bead blasted so much of it's markings are obliterated.. Take the caseback off and much of the information you seek will be inside.. __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

28 July 2014, 09:11 AM	#9
springer 2025 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: jP Location: Texas Watch: GMT-MASTER Posts: 17,432	Under magnification, you can read the last three digits in the serial number - between the lugs on the 6 o'clock side of the watch. I can read the digits 676. Also, it sure looks like someone placed a protective piece of tape over the serial number. Below is a screen shot. Attached Images __________________ Member of NAWCC since 1990. INSTAGRAM USER NAME: SPRINGERJFP Visit my Instagram page to view some of the finest vintage GMTs anywhere - as well as other vintage classics.

28 July 2014, 09:23 AM	#10
Beaumont Miller II "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: USA Posts: 2,615	As others before have said, the watch appears to be authentic. The dial is a serif dial, which if original to the case would put it in the early/mid 70's. I would not be concerned about authenticity because you can't see the serial number. The case has honest wear as evidenced by the the wear to the inside of the lug tips and the case sides. Enjoy and wear it in good health. __________________

28 July 2014, 06:28 AM	#2
soundserious "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: usofmfa Posts: 3,157	Looks like worn off over the years by the bracelet, i can faintly see some of the SN. can u show the back of the watch?

28 July 2014, 07:35 AM	#4
curryholic "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Bristol, UK Posts: 5	Some reason tapatalk is playing up with my reply so edited my original post??? Thanks, D Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

28 July 2014, 07:39 AM	#5
ww12345 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: USA Posts: 45	Looks like a serif dial 5513 from 72ish? Just my guess though...

28 July 2014, 07:49 AM	#6
cajuntiger 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Real Name: Who Dat Location: USA Watch: 5512 Posts: 1,149	Its a nice watch...get it serviced and water sealed and it will service you well. Looks like the hands were changed and its well worn, but otherwise looks great. Insert and bracelet appear original and dial looks very nice. Can you post close ups of the dial? More info here: http://www.5513mattedial.com

28 July 2014, 07:58 AM	#7
curryholic "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Bristol, UK Posts: 5	Haha thanks for that cajuntiger, I've just been having a look at that. Plan is to get it serviced (new crystal and strap) and use it, it's a watch I can be proud of in more was than 1!!! Thanks, D Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

28 July 2014, 11:16 AM	#11
RC2 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Real Name: Rich Location: NC Watch: Rolex 1675 Posts: 2,359	Lucky u. Nice watch. Looks very much honest and real. __________________ Rich Member of Nylon Nation Red Sox Nation Instagram watchguy97

28 July 2014, 01:29 PM	#12
Old Expat Beast TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Adam Location: Far East Watch: CASIO ROYALE Posts: 28,908	Just curious...will RSC be able to look up the case serial number by matching it to the movement number?

28 July 2014, 04:23 PM	#13
curryholic "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Bristol, UK Posts: 5	Thanks for the posts guys, I did wonder whether I could see some numbers but wasn't sure. I'll see if I can get the back off (without forcing it) and see what info I can glean.

28 July 2014, 11:53 PM	#15
Beelzy "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2010 Real Name: Chris Location: Cen-Cal Watch: 16610 Posts: 869	Wow!....a genuine Serif dial. I say this not so much for you, but for all those sellers who think ANY sort of tail on a plot marker makes it a Serif dial.

28 July 2014, 11:59 PM	#17
MonBK Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kingstown Posts: 58,277	Since you have the original Rolex paperwork and a few service receipts surely the model and serial # are there?

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