6239 Value?

[mdw3]

Originally Posted by miamiman

I just saw one for sale for 23,000 but the watch maker said he would take 22,000 .no box or papers

Yes, and if the watchmaker is located in Miami, I know who it is, and I can tell you he has been bringing the same watch to the shows for sale for the last 6 months or so.

Michael

[Passinthru]

Originally Posted by mdw3

You shouldn't say that unless you mean it. 6239 are regularly available at the USA dealer shows for these prices, and not quick-moving at that.
Michael

Why are they not quick moving? Are 6239s simply not collectible?

Originally Posted by mdw3

Yes, and if the watchmaker is located in Miami, I know who it is, and I can tell you he has been bringing the same watch to the shows for sale for the last 6 months or so.
Michael

Why does this Miami watch seem so relatively inexpensive?

[mdw3]

Originally Posted by Passinthru

Why are they not quick moving? Are 6239s simply not collectible?



Why does this Miami watch seem so relatively inexpensive?

The basic 6239 is the least desirable of all Daytona variants. Put simply, at $19,500 they sell, at $22,500 they sit. Most collectors prefer either a screw-down variant, and/or a black bezel version. The basic model, which is also by far the most common, is not generally the collectors' favorite.

Michael

[Passinthru]

Originally Posted by mdw3

The basic 6239 is the least desirable of all Daytona variants. Put simply, at $19,500 they sell, at $22,500 they sit. Most collectors prefer either a screw-down variant, and/or a black bezel version. The basic model, which is also by far the most common, is not generally the collectors' favorite.

Michael

And I just keep learning and learning. Michael, thank you so much.

[miamiman]

I have also learned a lot and have educated myself on the vintage Daytona, I want to buy one one day ,but I keep telling myself I'd rather buy a newer solid gold Daytona instead of a vintage. I'm still debating, but you need to learn what the market is on those watches they change year to year. Just don't over pay ,you don't want to pay ten grand more for a watch just because of papers and then the day you want to sell your still 5000 in the hole. Just my 2 cents

[roh123]

This thread is great. Had no idea prices shifted this much. The watch in question is still amazing so I hope you and your friend could find a nice middle way where both are happy. Don't make it too complicated.

[Mark020]

Originally Posted by mdw3

You shouldn't say that unless you mean it. 6239 are regularly available at the USA dealer shows for these prices, and not quick-moving at that.

Michael

Supra is living in Europe. Sub USD 20k 6239's are very rare in Europe I'm afraid

[Passinthru]

Originally Posted by miamiman

I have also learned a lot and have educated myself on the vintage Daytona, I want to buy one one day ,but I keep telling myself I'd rather buy a newer solid gold Daytona instead of a vintage. I'm still debating, but you need to learn what the market is on those watches they change year to year. Just don't over pay ,you don't want to pay ten grand more for a watch just because of papers and then the day you want to sell your still 5000 in the hole. Just my 2 cents

And this is what makes collecting so interesting. New, old, old, new, perfect, not perfect, papers, no papers and the list goes on. Good luck on your search. And you are correct, just don't overpay......of course, you may not know you overpaid until you try to sell

Originally Posted by roh123

This thread is great. Had no idea prices shifted this much. The watch in question is still amazing so I hope you and your friend could find a nice middle way where both are happy. Don't make it too complicated.

I hear you. What's nice is he's in no hurry to sell and I'm in no hurry to buy as I already have 13 chronographs..... but still no Speedy Pro or Daytona. So my collection is not complete. I'm glad you like the thread. I had no idea over 25 hundred people (or at least it would be looked at over 2500 times) would be interested in this. Thanks to all the posters for keeping it interesting.

Originally Posted by Mark020

Supra is living in Europe. Sub USD 20k 6239's are very rare in Europe I'm afraid

Maybe Supra should do what people in the USA do. They go to Europe to buy their cars at a discount. Supra should come to the USA and take USA delivery of an under $20K 6239, drive it around for awhile, and get a free vacation in the process. Supra could even post a picture of it in the "show us your USA delivery watch and steering wheel" thread.

[fmc000]

Originally Posted by Passinthru

Supra could even post a picture of it in the "show us your USA delivery watch and steering wheel" thread.

[Passinthru]

Originally Posted by zfhszgfh

Wow. Just wow. Just a fantastic condition and history.

That "Wow. Just wow" got me to thinking. Is the "wow" different for any of you when you buy and wear a new watch versus a vintage watch?

For me, when I buy and wear a new watch, I think "wow" that is a beautiful watch and I am appreciative of the workmanship and the complexity and the newness.

When I wear a vintage watch I still appreciate the workmanship and complexity but there is a different "wow". It is a feeling. Almost as if my feeling has a patina. I appreciate what the watch has gone through, who the watch has gone through, what the watch has seen in it's lifetime. When I look at a vintage watch, I don't just read the time, I see time ....... past and passed.

Thank you for allowing me to muse here. Am I alone? Or do any of you have different "wows"?

[BLACKHORSE 6]

My question is on vintage Daytonas in general. Why weren't they popular back when they were in production? I've heard that these watches used to just sit on the selves at an AD store, that no one wanted them. How did the PN Daytona go from being a watch that couldn't sell to the epitome of vintage Rolex (for many) and one of the most classic watches ever made?

Today the modern Daytona is a sought after watch in all metals. Has the market changed that much, where today there is more of a demand for a chronograph than there was back in the 1960s? Is today's popularity of the vintage Daytona a result of the success of the modern Daytona?

[jdmi32]

Originally Posted by BLACKHORSE 6

My question is on vintage Daytonas in general. Why weren't they popular back when they were in production? I've heard that these watches used to just sit on the selves at an AD store, that no one wanted them. How did the PN Daytona go from being a watch that couldn't sell to the epitome of vintage Rolex (for many) and one of the most classic watches ever made?

Today the modern Daytona is a sought after watch in all metals. Has the market changed that much, where today there is more of a demand for a chronograph than there was back in the 1960s? Is today's popularity of the vintage Daytona a result of the success of the modern Daytona?

I'm sure others that know much more can chime in, but I think one of the biggest factors holding then back was that they were hand wound.

[fmc000]

Originally Posted by jdmi32

I'm sure others that know much more can chime in, but I think one of the biggest factors holding then back was that they were hand wound.

This along with the screw down crown made the daily usage uncomfortable. Plus, the price tag was sensibly higher compared with many other brands chronos that shared the same movement.

[Neunundneunzig]

As to value, I am not sure. But I think that it is a very nice package. I love the price sticker!

[joli160]

I have no knowledge of vintage at all, but I find this a very beautiful nice complete package . That it is sort of an army watch makes it even better imho.
If I was in the market for such a piece than I would buy this set for sure and would not even worry about paying more than normal market prices.
Following the thread and reading the comments of the specialists around I would offer 25K. Fair price and most likely you will not flip it so even if it is a bit on the steep side that should not bother you than.
Just my 2c.

[Passinthru]

Originally Posted by joli160

I have no knowledge of vintage at all, but I find this a very beautiful nice complete package . That it is sort of an army watch makes it even better imho.
If I was in the market for such a piece than I would buy this set for sure and would not even worry about paying more than normal market prices.
Following the thread and reading the comments of the specialists around I would offer 25K. Fair price and most likely you will not flip it so even if it is a bit on the steep side that should not bother you than.
Just my 2c.

Thank you for your 2c.
However, after reading the same comments and receiving a few PMs all from some wonderful people, and reading the following article, paragraph 3:
http://www.hodinkee.com/features/ref...newman-daytona
and looking at Chrono24, and keeping in mind the near new condition of the watch and complete package, and the fact that the seller is my best friend, I think $30,000 is closer to a fair deal for me and my friend. So that is what I plan on offering him. I've just been busy, and neither of us are in a hurry, so I haven't gotten around to the offer, yet.

[Mark020]

Friendship has more value than any watch :-)

[iclick]

Originally Posted by Andy5513

Man, if you could get a new Daytona for $135 back then, what did other watches sell for - $2?

They were cheaper than a GMT or Sub back then. Being non-waterproof, non-COSC, and manual wind, nobody wanted them--until years later. I thought about buying one in 1971 and declined because of the above, thinking it would be very impractical as a daily wearer. Hindsight is better than foresight, as I don't think anyone had a clue of their value decades later.