Breaking stem and water resistance issues only for 5402 and cal. 2121?

[dexvd]

So I have been looking at some of the 36mm ROs, and wanted to inquire further into whether AP had similar issues with the crown breaking off with models outside of the 5402, I also read in the sticky above that AP cannot certify water resistance in the 5402 following service, does this only apply to the 5402 or other models as well?

For servicing out of warranty APs, can you tell AP to do movement only services like you can with the RSC, like tell them to leave the bezel, dial, etc alone and just service the movement and restore water resistance?

I haven't had a chance to put a 36mm RO on my wrist yet but I have a 6.4" wrist so I'm thinking it would be better suited to me in diameter and thickness than a ROO. Also as I am looking for something to where for the most part with button downs and sport coats, it won't cause as much issue with cuffs but would like to have something that I have to worry over on a rainy day, remove while washing my hands or suffer a broken stem every other year from winding and setting.

[dexvd]

Has anyone had the crown break off while winding or date setting on a Royal Oak other than the 5402? Has anyone other than 5402 owners been told after a Audemars Piguet service that their watch no longer has water resistance?

I have emailed a couple ADs, I did get one response back from AP that said as the 15400 doesn't use the same movement, the issues are not applicable but would have to consult with their technical department regarding whether it effects the 15202, didn't really admit that those were issues with the 5402 though in the response. But said that based on his experience he hasn't observed those issues in later references...

Would be interesting to find out if any of the 36mm references suffered the same issues and when the issues were addressed (was it with the advent of the 15202, or was there earlier references in 36mm or 39mm that had the issue sorted).

[Submarino]

Originally Posted by dexvd

So I have been looking at some of the 36mm ROs, and wanted to inquire further into whether AP had similar issues with the crown breaking off with models outside of the 5402, I also read in the sticky above that AP cannot certify water resistance in the 5402 following service, does this only apply to the 5402 or other models as well?

For servicing out of warranty APs, can you tell AP to do movement only services like you can with the RSC, like tell them to leave the bezel, dial, etc alone and just service the movement and restore water resistance?

I haven't had a chance to put a 36mm RO on my wrist yet but I have a 6.4" wrist so I'm thinking it would be better suited to me in diameter and thickness than a ROO. Also as I am looking for something to where for the most part with button downs and sport coats, it won't cause as much issue with cuffs but would like to have something that I have to worry over on a rainy day, remove while washing my hands or suffer a broken stem every other year from winding and setting.

Water resistance not been warranted applies to any vintage timepiece which for AP is any watch older than 25 years if I am not mistaken. AP will only service the movement and operation components (crown, pushers on chronos, gaskets) as long as the dial is in good shape. If the dial has flaking there's a big chance that dust particles will get into the movement, therefore, AP will not service unless you do a dial change. The refreshing of the case and bezel is an option, so you can skip that part if you like.

A 36 mm Royal Oak for your wrist size is just perfect.

[Submarino]

Originally Posted by dexvd

Has anyone had the crown break off while winding or date setting on a Royal Oak other than the 5402? Has anyone other than 5402 owners been told after a Audemars Piguet service that their watch no longer has water resistance?

I have emailed a couple ADs, I did get one response back from AP that said as the 15400 doesn't use the same movement, the issues are not applicable but would have to consult with their technical department regarding whether it effects the 15202, didn't really admit that those were issues with the 5402 though in the response. But said that based on his experience he hasn't observed those issues in later references...

Would be interesting to find out if any of the 36mm references suffered the same issues and when the issues were addressed (was it with the advent of the 15202, or was there earlier references in 36mm or 39mm that had the issue sorted).

Crown stem issues are known across references using the calibre 2121. Other than that calibre, I have not heard of any stem issues. For instance the calibre 3120 is known to have issues with the calendar not advancing properly and getting jammed or with the winding crown not engaging. Looks like 3120s within the I-series range are having less issues than the earlier 3120s within G and H serials.

[dexvd]

Originally Posted by Submarino

Crown stem issues are known across references using the calibre 2121. Other than that calibre, I have not heard of any stem issues. For instance the calibre 3120 is known to have issues with the calendar not advancing properly and getting jammed or with the winding crown not engaging. Looks like 3120s within the I-series range are having less issues than the earlier 3120s within G and H serials.

Thanks, is there a guide where I could see what years of production would apply to the different serials for the cal 3120?
The 36mm Day-Date Moonphase is high up there on my list, the only thing challenging my next intended purchase being an Aquanaut currently. Seems like a little harder to track one down just to try out on the wrist however.

Is the cal 2225 in the 14790 different enough from the 2121 that the same issues do not apply.

That clarification with AP's policy on vintage watches and water resistance is helpful, so it is similar to Rolex rather than particular models that they were just writing off as unable to re-establish the water resistance in.

[Tan]

Originally Posted by dexvd

Has anyone had the crown break off while winding or date setting on a Royal Oak other than the 5402? Has anyone other than 5402 owners been told after a Audemars Piguet service that their watch no longer has water resistance?

I have emailed a couple ADs, I did get one response back from AP that said as the 15400 doesn't use the same movement, the issues are not applicable but would have to consult with their technical department regarding whether it effects the 15202, didn't really admit that those were issues with the 5402 though in the response. But said that based on his experience he hasn't observed those issues in later references...

Would be interesting to find out if any of the 36mm references suffered the same issues and when the issues were addressed (was it with the advent of the 15202, or was there earlier references in 36mm or 39mm that had the issue sorted).

I would recommend a 15300 39mm, size is perfect and I have a 6.75" wrist.