3135 wont restart after hacking

[Magic-Matt]

Hey guys!

Quick question for the watchmakers and tech experts out there:

I stripped down a 3135 just to do a basic clean and oiling as winding was stiff, and watch was running slow. Im not an expert, but have completed a BHI course and do DIY on some of my own stuff.

After putting the watch back together there are 2 problems (related to the same thing):

1. About 1 out of every 3 times the watch will not restart after hacking (even on a full wind). If I shake it gently once it starts again.

2. The watch will not start from power down after fully winding it. Again, a gentle shake and it fires right up.

Apart from this it seems to run fine and does not stop until power runs down.

Ive checked everything I know, hairspring touching/sticking, end shake too tight, etc.

Would really appreciate some advise from someone more experienced than myself!

Thanks for reading.

[Magic-Matt]

Nobody?

[Tools]

pallet jewels are dry..

[Magic-Matt]

Originally Posted by Tools

pallet jewels are dry..

Thanks! After doing a lot of research I had a suspicion it could be this - good to hear it confirmed from someone on here too.

Is it a MUST to use the recommended Moebius 9415 (dont have any) or possible to get away with something like:

Moebius 9020, HP 1300, Moebius 8200 (have these).

Im sure I'll get flamed by someone for asking that!

Thanks very much!

[Vanessa CW21]

Too large of a beat error.

You can visually inspect this by making sure the post of the escape wheel, the pallet fork and the roller jewel are all perfectly lined up.

[Vanessa CW21]

Originally Posted by Magic-Matt

Thanks! After doing a lot of research I had a suspicion it could be this - good to hear it confirmed from someone on here too.

Is it a MUST to use the recommended Moebius 9415 (dont have any) or possible to get away with something like:

Moebius 9020, HP 1300, Moebius 8200 (have these).

Im sure I'll get flamed by someone for asking that!

Thanks very much!

Don't invest in the 9415... your pallet stones desperately need it, but the chances of your watch running accurately after your DIY project are very slim. If you want your watch to run right, have an expert service it. There's a reason why we require extensive training and specialization before we can service a watch movement, especially Rolex.

[Magic-Matt]

Originally Posted by Vanessa CW21

Don't invest in the 9415... your pallet stones desperately need it, but the chances of your watch running accurately after your DIY project are very slim. If you want your watch to run right, have an expert service it. There's a reason why we require extensive training and specialization before we can service a watch movement, especially Rolex.

Thanks Vanessa for the info. Yes, of course you're right, I dont have the necessary training or experience to get the watch running as it should be, but if I could at least get it back to "good working order" I'd be happy with that for now

I guess you're kidding me about not getting the 9415! Lol Is it a dead must for the pallet stones, i.e. the other oils wont live up to the job right?

Thanks again for your input

[Vanessa CW21]

Originally Posted by Magic-Matt

I guess you're kidding me about not getting the 9415! Lol Is it a dead must for the pallet stones, i.e. the other oils wont live up to the job right?

Thanks again for your input

You're welcome.
Since we're not worried about accuracy you could try some 9010 instead to not have to waste money. This whole experiment makes me feel uncomfortable though.

[Magic-Matt]

Originally Posted by Vanessa CW21

You're welcome.
Since we're not worried about accuracy you could try some 9010 instead to not have to waste money. This whole experiment makes me feel uncomfortable though.

Hi Vanessa, just wanted to thank you for your advice and let you know you can now "return to comfort" knowing I purchased the right oils and finished the job properly! Ended up buying a proper timing machine, some extra tools and higher X loupe etc.

The watch is now running beautifully on the timing machine and hacks and restarts as it should!

Take care

[Vanessa CW21]

Originally Posted by Magic-Matt

Hi Vanessa, just wanted to thank you for your advice and let you know you can now "return to comfort" knowing I purchased the right oils and finished the job properly! Ended up buying a proper timing machine, some extra tools and higher X loupe etc.

The watch is now running beautifully on the timing machine and hacks and restarts as it should!

Take care

Nice work :)
My pleasure.

[kanikune]

Some Omega models use hp1300 on the pallets. hp1300, as 9415 are high viscosity oils - well 9415 is kind of both oil & grease.
My suggestion would rather use hp1300 than hp9010, as 9010 is the most "watery" (in terms of viscosity) oil of the ones used in the watch.

[gbcecil]

hp1300 is the closest, I agree with kanikune