Tudor Jumbo Date-Day 7019/4 Isuues

[Nar987]

Hey, guys. Had this come through and wanted to get thoughts. It's all very odd. My guess is that it had water damage at some point which brought about all these inconsistencies but I wanted to get everyone's thoughts on it and maybe your conclusion on what happened to this watch to bring about the inconsistencies I'm seeing. It's a 1969 Jumbo Tudor Oyster Prince Date-Day Watch Ref. 7019/4.

First off, the obvious:
I've seen this style bezel on older models but no jumbos. I had it shot with the x-ray and it was reading palladium. I didn't get a perfect shot but I know the reference calls for a white gold bezel. I'm used to finding a fluted or smooth bezel that we are common with, but, this domed style has me confused. I honestly like the look of it. It's just odd seeing it on this watch.

The dial looks great in some places and refinished in others. Most importantly, the swiss at the bottom looks terrible. It's not sharp at all and absolutely looks redone. The spacing of the hour markers looks pretty bad on the top half of the dial, too.

The date wheel has some dates that are just looking awful. The 4,6, and 8. Either they were attempted to be cleaned up and they botched it or water damaged caused some pretty bad bleeding.

The day wheel gets ugly on certain days, as well. Again, my guess is water damage.

THE MAIN ISSUE:
Does anyone know which movement is supposed to be in this ref.? A plate on the movement reads 17 Jewel but the rotor reads 21 Rubies.... I don't know which one is telling the truth. Haha.

I don't see this reference a lot so I'd like to get it back in good shape but which parts should I get to make the watch correct to put to former glory?

I'm already looking for date, and day wheels for it. The bezel... I don't have enough experience with Tudor to know if it is somehow authentic or not. My guess is aftermarket since it's palladium (maybe palladium) but I've seen this style on Tudors, just not for this era. Concerning the movement, Either the plate is incorrect or the rotor is incorrect. Not sure.

Some advice or thoughts on how to move forward with this guy would be greatly appreciated. Where should I get parts? What I should keep, what I shouldn't? I don't see this ref. too often so I think it would be cool to have it correct so when I'm done with it, the world has another 7019/4 to enjoy.

[Dan Pierce]

The movement should be an A Sheilds 1895, non hacking, non quickset. The hands are wrong for sure. My guess the bezel is too. Not sure about how the damage occurred on the date and day wheels but not unusual for these dials to show aging of varying degrees. This is an early dial indicated by the hour markers.
dP

[Nar987]

Thanks for the info, DP. The A. Schild is confirmed as I can see the "1895" in the hub sinking of the balance wheel. So I guess that puts the 17J upper bridge plate as a fix or replacement part since the 1895 was produced as a 21j/25j movement. I have no clue where to locate an upper bridge for this movement so I'll probably leave the "seventeen jewel" plate.

[Old Expat Beast]

Originally Posted by Nar987

Thanks for the info, DP. The A. Schild is confirmed as I can see the "1895" in the hub sinking of the balance wheel. So I guess that puts the 17J upper bridge plate as a fix or replacement part since the 1895 was produced as a 21j/25j movement. I have no clue where to locate an upper bridge for this movement so I'll probably leave the "seventeen jewel" plate.

I think 17J could be correct, as Rolex was avoiding luxury import taxes at that time by supplying some models to the US market with 17J movements.

[Nar987]

Thanks for the input, Adam. I forgot that the Rolex inconsistencies of this era due to imports roll over to Tudor. Now, I'd just be happy finding some hands. I threw some hooks out to some buddies but I doubt I'll hear something back. The auction sites and forums seem pretty slim, too. I'll just make sure to keep an eye out. Let me know if any of you guys know how to get a correct set.

[Ross Povey]

the one installed isn't Rolex/Tudor imo.

I have a plain steel bezel spare (as per 7017) and crystal if it would help. I can also get you some NOS service hands too I think.

Feel free to email me on ross@tudorcollector.net

R

[Nar987]

I think I'll keep the bezel on there. I like the look but if I come across a correct white gold, I might purchase it. I might get back to you on the hands, though. Correct hands would really help the overall presentation of this guy on the wrist.

[Nar987]

I'm wanting to get this back in shape. Looking for hands, day & date wheel, and white gold bezel. Let me know if you know anyone or have anything. I thought about using it in a trade but I like it too much.