Daydate II vs New 40mm Daydate

[jenniferjanef]

Originally Posted by kilyung

Size debate aside, I just know I'll still have this piece in 20 years.

IMHO I think ppl complain about the DDII design look " out of proportion" are due to the "jubilee" bezel being too wide on the 18KYG 18KWG and 18KPG version. However on the PT950 looks just perfect and the diamond bezel looks stunning too! Personally I many occasion trying to buy the DDII in 18KPG, didn't manage to close the deal because of the jubilee bezel. The diamond bezel only available in yellow gold and white gold.

[mrjnam]

I've been searching here regularly and have not seen a DDII with a desirable dial (champagne roman, champagne stick, champagne diamond, rose/rose roman) even available at all. I've only seen white dials, black ruby dials, and the likes of those.

[FremStar]

Originally Posted by jenniferjanef

IMHO I think ppl complain about the DDII design look " out of proportion" are due to the "jubilee" bezel being too wide on the 18KYG 18KWG and 18KPG version. However on the PT950 looks just perfect and the diamond bezel looks stunning too! Personally I many occasion trying to buy the DDII in 18KPG, didn't manage to close the deal because of the jubilee bezel. The diamond bezel only available in yellow gold and white gold.

I wonder how many of those people that complain about the proportions of the DD2 actually own or have owned the watch... I'm pretty sure folks will find something to complain about the DD40 as well... No watch is safe from criticism

Originally Posted by mrjnam

I've been searching here regularly and have not seen a DDII with a desirable dial (champagne roman, champagne stick, champagne diamond, rose/rose roman) even available at all. I've only seen white dials, black ruby dials, and the likes of those.

Hmmm...

[kilyung]

Originally Posted by FremStar

Hmmm...

Looking good Sam!!

[jenniferjanef]

Originally Posted by FremStar

I wonder how many of those people that complain about the proportions of the DD2 actually own or have owned the watch... I'm pretty sure folks will find something to complain about the DD40 as well... No watch is safe from criticism



Hmmm...

Ok I am guilty..



That 18KWG... That jubilee bezel works exceptionally well with that wave dial!

[jfawatch]

Don't know how anyone can say that 41mm is too big or "out of proportion". Rolex sizes were too small for too long and lagged other watchmakers in terms of modernising the sizes of their watches. That was one main reason I didn't buy a (gold) Rolex until the DDII came out. The DDII "caught up" to the other watch makers. The old 36mm and 38mm sizes are way too small and look like woman's sizes. Even some celebrity women wear the DDII (i.e. Jennifer Aniston), so you can't consider it too big for men. I consider a "large" watch >= 45mm (i.e. I have an Omega Seamaster 45.5mm which is large and sporty). 41mm is the min size for me for a modern watch. now that they have discontinued the DDII 41mm, it will only go up in value because: (1) there is way more demand for 41mm and up watches than the smaller sizes and (2) by definition, it will become more scarce since not produced anymore...

[PerioBear]

Originally Posted by FremStar

I wonder how many of those people that complain about the proportions of the DD2 actually own or have owned the watch... I'm pretty sure folks will find something to complain about the DD40 as well... No watch is safe from criticism



Hmmm...

[mrjnam]

I think the 41mm DDII will appreciate faster than any other DD in history because of their rarity and large size. Sure, some say that people are starting to want smaller sizes now, but I think it's more like from 44mm to 42mm, not 41mm to something smaller.

Look at any vintage watch, and the most valuable ones are usually the larger ones of it's kind. Vintage Daytonas were undesirable when they came out and I'm sure naysayers complained about their aesthetics, but a large part of why they are so desirable now is due to their rarity, contemporary size, and them being the top of the line in their category, which is definitely the case with DD IIs. Add that to the fact that they're all precious metals and the DDIIs check off all of the boxes for what makes a highly collectible and highly valuable watch, in my opinion. Of the DDIIs, I suspect the rose gold with concentric champagne/pink roman dial to be the most sought after in the future because of it's aesthetics and rarity of rose gold DDIIs.

[Psmith]

Originally Posted by FremStar

I wonder how many of those people that complain about the proportions of the DD2 actually own or have owned the watch... I'm pretty sure folks will find something to complain about the DD40 as well... No watch is safe from criticism



Hmmm...

Wow x2

[jenniferjanef]

Look around us.. On average, ppl are larger in size now compare to 50 years ago because we now have better food n better living standards hence bigger wrist.

[Rolexdaydateii]

I would bet money the ddii will appreciate in value and being a owner I'm glad it's discontinued. I notice the already low for sale numbers have dwindled further.

I'm not gonna bash the dd40 as matter of fact I'm gonna go in for another look.none of the the three dd line deserve harsh criticism being called ugly etc. I've Owned two in my time.
People who go ape shit over one mm need to take a honest look at themselves that's just some odd behaviour. Think about it there are many rolex design and I can't think of any that I would criticise so harshly to the point calling names and or comparing to fat women etc with such negatively.

Should be only owners or people whom had some serious wrist time with any of the three dd should be able to comment and I bet then they would not be so overly exaggerating or negative to any of the dd line

[mrjnam]

Over time, the DDII criticisms will subside and more and more people will embrace it, except supply will be limited. I actually think the DDII has a shot of not only going up in value, but 15-20 years from now, catapulting in value because it has had such a short production run compared to other modern Rolexes and it's the top of the line model. When the ceramic Sub and GMT came out, people hated the ceramic bezel, squarish super case, etc, but now, so many have since changed their minds, myself included, and they're selling like hotcakes.

[Rolexdaydateii]

Originally Posted by FremStar

I wonder how many of those people that complain about the proportions of the DD2 actually own or have owned the watch... I'm pretty sure folks will find something to complain about the DD40 as well... No watch is safe from criticism



Hmmm...

Wow nice how about a close up shot of just the blue wave in wg

[Eric Chan]

Originally Posted by Rolexdaydateii

I would bet money the ddii will appreciate in value and being a owner I'm glad it's discontinued. I notice the already low for sale numbers have dwindled further.

I'm not gonna bash the dd40 as matter of fact I'm gonna go in for another look.none of the the three dd line deserve harsh criticism being called ugly etc. I've Owned two in my time.
People who go ape shit over one mm need to take a honest look at themselves that's just some odd behaviour. Think about it there are many rolex design and I can't think of any that I would criticise so harshly to the point calling names and or comparing to fat women etc with such negatively.

Should be only owners or people whom had some serious wrist time with any of the three dd should be able to comment and I bet then they would not be so overly exaggerating or negative to any of the dd line

Well put.

To answer the OP's question, assuming it was meant from an AD's standpoint, the prices of the DD II will not necessarily decrease, but the amount of discounts applied to the DD II may increase, thus resulting in lower prices for the leftover stock. So, in theory, if a person is on the market for a DD II, this fall/winter may be a great time to pick one up. That is my take on this.

With respect to your comments above, I am in agreement. The amount of negative comments about the DD II is surprising and quite frankly, un-called for. It is an amazing timepiece and true work of art. It may not work for everyone, but definitely do for many and for it to receive the types of comments it has, is quite frankly disrespectful to the Day-Date II.

The DD 40 is a noticeable change, albeit a 1mm change to the DD II. For some, it makes a huge difference, for others, not so much. As far as I am concerned, the DD 40 is not so much a "revision" of the DD II, but instead is a re-interpretation of the DD.

[PerioBear]

Originally Posted by Eric Chan

Well put.

To answer the OP's question, assuming it was meant from an AD's standpoint, the prices of the DD II will not necessarily decrease, but the amount of discounts applied to the DD II may increase, thus resulting in lower prices for the leftover stock. So, in theory, if a person is on the market for a DD II, this fall/winter may be a great time to pick one up. That is my take on this.

With respect to your comments above, I am in agreement. The amount of negative comments about the DD II is surprising and quite frankly, un-called for. It is an amazing timepiece and true work of art. It may not work for everyone, but definitely do for many and for it to receive the types of comments it has, is quite frankly disrespectful to the Day-Date II.

The DD 40 is a noticeable change, albeit a 1mm change to the DD II. For some, it makes a huge difference, for others, not so much. As far as I am concerned, the DD 40 is not so much a "revision" of the DD II, but instead is a re-interpretation of the DD.

As usual, well put Eric!

[Eric Chan]

Originally Posted by PerioBear

As usual, well put Eric!

Thanks, Alex.

[Racerdj]

Well written Eric!

[rudegar]

Originally Posted by Racerdj

Well written Eric!

Yes amen Eric. We all need one of each!!

[Eric Chan]

Originally Posted by Racerdj

Well written Eric!

Thank you my friend. Just trying to call it how it is.

[Eric Chan]

Originally Posted by rudegar

Yes amen Eric. We all need one of each!!

Absolutely. Now if only life was that kind.

[rjstuf001]

Originally Posted by Eric Chan

Well put.

To answer the OP's question, assuming it was meant from an AD's standpoint, the prices of the DD II will not necessarily decrease, but the amount of discounts applied to the DD II may increase, thus resulting in lower prices for the leftover stock. So, in theory, if a person is on the market for a DD II, this fall/winter may be a great time to pick one up. That is my take on this.

With respect to your comments above, I am in agreement. The amount of negative comments about the DD II is surprising and quite frankly, un-called for. It is an amazing timepiece and true work of art. It may not work for everyone, but definitely do for many and for it to receive the types of comments it has, is quite frankly disrespectful to the Day-Date II.

The DD 40 is a noticeable change, albeit a 1mm change to the DD II. For some, it makes a huge difference, for others, not so much. As far as I am concerned, the DD 40 is not so much a "revision" of the DD II, but instead is a re-interpretation of the DD.

I didn't know watches had feelings

So because you love the DD2, we're all supposed to agree that it's great? This makes no sense whatsoever. The very purpose of online forums is to share opinions and debate ideas, and the more diverse those opinions and ideas are, the better. If you feel "disrespected" because someone doesn't like your watch, I suggest you grow thicker skin.

[Eric Chan]

Originally Posted by rjstuf001

I didn't know watches had feelings

So because you love the DD2, we're all supposed to agree that it's great? This makes no sense whatsoever. The very purpose of online forums is to share opinions and debate ideas, and the more diverse those opinions and ideas are, the better. If you feel "disrespected" because someone doesn't like your watch, I suggest you grow thicker skin.

Perhaps you should re-read what you write before you actually post it as it is quite evident in your text that it is you who is not making any sense.

Watches having feelings? Is that a rhetorical question? Again, not really making much sense here. You are clearly demonstrating that you do not understand the content and intent of my post.

I will agree with you that this is a public forum and that is about it. Being a public forum still does not constitute the right for such negative comments about any watch. Surely you have heard of the old saying, 'if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it at all.' It is one thing to have diverse comments and another to have rude comments. Big difference. Have you actually spent time on this Forum to search the threads about the comments about the DD II? If not you should and then tell me if the negative comments are as diverse as you think.

Please explain how you interpret my post to mean that I expect everyone to agree with me about the DD II? That has never been mentioned. You are practically contradicting yourself in your post. One minute you say comments should be diverse, then the next you appear to be upset with what I have written because I am speaking my mind. Once again, not making much sense.

Lastly, please do the majority of us a favour and do re-check your facts as I do not own a DD II and I don't feel disrespected in anyway. My comments were meant as a statement regarding the level of respect the DD II should be getting.

Does this make sense now? And also, my skin is pretty thick, how is yours? Perhaps you should take your own advice and grow thicker skin too as it truly appears I got under yours with my post.

[Vanmarsenille]

Originally Posted by Eric Chan

Perhaps you should re-read what you write before you actually post it as it is quite evident in your text that it is you who is not making any sense.

Watches having feelings? Is that a rhetorical question? Again, not really making much sense here. You are clearly demonstrating that you do not understand the content and intent of my post.

I will agree with you that this is a public forum and that is about it. Being a public forum still does not constitute the right for such negative comments about any watch. Surely you have heard of the old saying, 'if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it at all.' It is one thing to have diverse comments and another to have rude comments. Big difference. Have you actually spent time on this Forum to search the threads about the comments about the DD II? If not you should and then tell me if the negative comments are as diverse as you think.

Please explain how you interpret my post to mean that I expect everyone to agree with me about the DD II? That has never been mentioned. You are practically contradicting yourself in your post. One minute you say comments should be diverse, then the next you appear to be upset with what I have written because I am speaking my mind. Once again, not making much sense.

Lastly, please do the majority of us a favour and do re-check your facts as I do not own a DD II and I don't feel disrespected in anyway. My comments were meant as a statement regarding the level of respect the DD II should be getting.

Does this make sense now? And also, my skin is pretty thick, how is yours? Perhaps you should take your own advice and grow thicker skin too as it truly appears I got under yours with my post.

Will someone give this man a cigar?

[kunlun]

Originally Posted by Eric Chan

Being a public forum still does not constitute the right for such negative comments about any watch.

Hi Eric, I totally respect you, but I'll disagree on this part. It's okay for a person to say they don't like a watch on an internet watch forum. In fact, a well articulated negative opinion can actually be very useful, even a strongly negative one.

[Eric Chan]

Originally Posted by kunlun

Hi Eric, I totally respect you, but I'll disagree on this part. It's okay for a person to say they don't like a watch on an internet watch forum. In fact, a well articulated negative opinion can actually be very useful, even a strongly negative one.

Not a problem as I don't expect everyone to agree with me and vice versa, I am sure.

It is one thing for a person to say they don't like a watch and/or cast a negative view on one and provide some logical or as you say "well-articulated" rationale behine their comments and views. However, it baffles the mind that some individuals simply say a watch (DD II or any other) is ugly, stupid looking, hideous, etc. without providing some sort of context.

I am in complete agreement with your comments as well thought out, negative feedback can often times be useful, but not so much a fan of thoughtless and negative comments that come across as being rude.

[engin33r]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder... but the price is fixed, I don't see DD2's value crashing down.

[locutus49]

I think there is room in the Rolex universe for all three sizes of the redoubtable DD. People have different tastes, and different wrist sizes, so a 36, 41, or 40 gives the buyer a great chance to pick the best one for him or her. IMO.

[Eric Chan]

Originally Posted by locutus49

I think there is room in the Rolex universe for all three sizes of the redoubtable DD. People have different tastes, and different wrist sizes, so a 36, 41, or 40 gives the buyer a great chance to pick the best one for him or her. IMO.

Amen to that!

[rjstuf001]

Originally Posted by Eric Chan

Perhaps you should re-read what you write before you actually post it as it is quite evident in your text that it is you who is not making any sense.

Watches having feelings? Is that a rhetorical question? Again, not really making much sense here. You are clearly demonstrating that you do not understand the content and intent of my post.

I will agree with you that this is a public forum and that is about it. Being a public forum still does not constitute the right for such negative comments about any watch. Surely you have heard of the old saying, 'if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it at all.' It is one thing to have diverse comments and another to have rude comments. Big difference. Have you actually spent time on this Forum to search the threads about the comments about the DD II? If not you should and then tell me if the negative comments are as diverse as you think.

Please explain how you interpret my post to mean that I expect everyone to agree with me about the DD II? That has never been mentioned. You are practically contradicting yourself in your post. One minute you say comments should be diverse, then the next you appear to be upset with what I have written because I am speaking my mind. Once again, not making much sense.

Lastly, please do the majority of us a favour and do re-check your facts as I do not own a DD II and I don't feel disrespected in anyway. My comments were meant as a statement regarding the level of respect the DD II should be getting.

Does this make sense now? And also, my skin is pretty thick, how is yours? Perhaps you should take your own advice and grow thicker skin too as it truly appears I got under yours with my post.

From your long and winding response, it looks like I did get under your skin. You know full well that I'm not contradicting myself. You're the one trying to restrict what people say about the DD II and I called you out for it. It's pretty simple, really. Who gave you the right to set "the level of respect that the DD II should be getting"?

I don't have time to research every comment made about the DD II on TRF. I've read many, and obviously there are some good and some bad. That's what you get in an open forum, and I trust the mods to get rid of the truly offensive posts, that is, the ones with profanity. I've read dozens of comments about my Explorer II's fat hands, bloated case and plasticky orange GMT hand, but I couldn't care less, it has no effect on me whatsoever. It never occurred to me to demand that people stop "disrespecting" my favorite watch.

[Eric Chan]

Originally Posted by rjstuf001

From your long and winding response, it looks like I did get under your skin. You know full well that I'm not contradicting myself. You're the one trying to restrict what people say about the DD II and I called you out for it. It's pretty simple, really. Who gave you the right to set "the level of respect that the DD II should be getting"?

I don't have time to research every comment made about the DD II on TRF. I've read many, and obviously there are some good and some bad. That's what you get in an open forum, and I trust the mods to get rid of the truly offensive posts, that is, the ones with profanity. I've read dozens of comments about my Explorer II's fat hands, bloated case and plasticky orange GMT hand, but I couldn't care less, it has no effect on me whatsoever. It never occurred to me to demand that people stop "disrespecting" my favorite watch.

Initially, your post did not get under my skin, I found it more comedic than offensive, but now, with this response, it has and obviously mine got under yours. At least I can admit it.

Long winded response or not (you are the one who "called me out" as you have so elequently put it), I don't know how else to say to you in plain English, the DD II is not my favourite watch. Why do you seem to think it is? Because I happen to like it and feel that the unjustified negative comments about it are a little much? If you cannot comprehend that, then too bad. I never once said that a person cannot cast a negative opinion on a watch, but just have the logic to back it up with some sort of intelligent reasoning, other than it is "ugly". Again, this notion seems to be lost on you as you cannot seem to tell the difference.

Are you trying to convince me, or yourself the content in your post is not contradictory? How do you know what I am thinking or what I know? You state your disgareement about my "right to set the level of respect....." and then you turn around and tell me what I should or should not do. Sounds pretty contradictory to me.

Enough time has been wasted on this pointless debate. You obviously have your views and I have mine. I do not want to take away the OP's intent for this thread.